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Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« on: October 13, 2016, 03:59:22 pm »
I'm going to go ahead and just say it now cause I can just tell....

It's going to suck...

Just look at the Trailer...

 "Hey Hey look Look remember this shot when the hero looks out over the horizon huh huh??!?!?!" 

"Oh look the Empire killed/enslaved her parent, totally new storyline"

"Look guys its Darth Vader!!!! You Love Darth Vader!!!! You'll Love this film!!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI
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Re: Star Wars Rouge One talk
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2016, 04:00:43 pm »
NO MORE!!

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2016, 04:13:22 pm »
Ha!  Well I guess I had a Locke moment there....

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2016, 04:14:09 pm »
Many Bothans are going to die.


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2016, 04:16:58 pm »
Many Bothans are going to die.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2016, 05:04:06 pm »
It's going to suck...

Just look at the Trailer...

I'd say that trailer bodes well.  Y'know why? 

Zero.  ---smurfing---.  Lightsabers.

It's about time.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2016, 05:53:55 pm »
Yep no light sabers so why have Vader in it?

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2016, 06:52:59 pm »
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2016, 06:57:26 pm »
Yep no light sabers so why have Vader in it?

Dunno, and don't really care TBH.  I'm just happy to see Star Wars without a lightsaber every 2 seconds.

Lucas ruined them.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2016, 07:02:27 pm »
Sorry Yots I would rather make unfounfed arguments and half assed conjecture about this than the current state of American politics or BYOAC projects.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2016, 08:40:00 pm »
Sorry Yots I would rather make unfounfed arguments and half assed conjecture about this than the current state of American politics or BYOAC projects.
That I can get on board with. Your Rogue One prediction however.... Naw brah. It's gonna be rad.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2016, 09:48:42 pm »
Sorry Yots I would rather make unfounfed arguments and half assed conjecture about this than the current state of American politics or BYOAC projects.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2016, 09:49:11 pm »
Double posts sux!!!
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2016, 09:56:18 pm »
Dudereg, I hope I'm wrong but I'm not allowing myself to get my hopes up to any degree.  I was only marginally excited for ep 7 and it crushed me all over again.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2016, 10:22:04 pm »
Dude, Episode 7 owns.  Deal with it.


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2016, 10:48:22 pm »
Ep 7 is "meh".  It isn't garbage like the prequels, but then again it's just recycled crap from the original trilogy, only with a laughably inadequate villain, not to mention the "empire" backing him.  The original empire is like the third Reich, compared to modern day neo-nazi's that are the new baddies in terms of menace and threat.  Also the fact that there is STILL a rebellion and there is STILL an evil empire to fight kind of pisses all over the exploits of our original heroes doesn't it.  The new cast members are pretty ham-fisted as well.  Oh... and they killed Han Solo.  No film that kills Han Solo via a simple shot to the gut is good.  Don't get me wrong... there were one or two scenes that gave me the feels... but that's just my nostalgia acting up again. 

Face it, only Star Wars nerds and the dreaded "casual" movie goer liked 7. 

I think Rogue One has more potential to be good, but.... it's Hollywood... and Disney....  so afraid there is much reason to be, young Padawan. 

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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2016, 12:18:38 am »
Dudereg, I hope I'm wrong but I'm not allowing myself to get my hopes up to any degree.  I was only marginally excited for ep 7 and it crushed me all over again.

This one looks cool. This has the chance to do something different and not "rehash the original formula" like many have opined. There should be pretty much zero jedi stuff happening. Obi-wan is hiding out. Luke is a farmer whiney kid. I want to see some Vader just doing bad guy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- making him the feared dude he was in 4,5,6.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2016, 12:38:47 am »
Well here's the thing.  I've got a bad feeling that we will see Vader for 10 seconds as a cameo and that's it.  They've done it with these rebootie sequels before. 

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2016, 12:56:38 am »
Well here's the thing.  I've got a bad feeling that we will see Vader for 10 seconds as a cameo and that's it.  They've done it with these rebootie sequels before.
Man, now that would be weak sauce. They show him twice I think in the trailers. I am hoping they are going to have this looming Vader deal hanging over even the empire dudes and then show him being ruthless for emphasis or effect.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2016, 07:15:28 pm »
I think the best we can hope for are a couple of scenes where Vader is communicating his orders to others similar to those video chat sessions he did with the emperor.  The action will always be happening elsewhere. 

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2016, 07:37:42 pm »
Forget that Vader better be slaying some would be jedi or padawans because the entire prequel trilogy robbed us of what Obi Wan claimed Vader did with a ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- cop out of showing him kill the children at the temple.

Hell no Vader was supposed to pursue the last of the Jedi across the galaxy and remove their rebel heads from their bodies.  That is what Episode 3 should have been.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2016, 11:49:42 pm »
Rogue One will come out. 

You and your weirdo buddies will camp out to be the first in your hood to see it. 

You will say to each other "It sucked" afterwards, but you will secretly visit the cinema on Tuesday cheap nights alone to watch it again and again until they pull it.

You will buy the merchandise, and all the figures.

You will read all the canon books of the movie.

You will buy all the Star Wars Battlefront DLC.  PC & Xbox One.

You will buy the Blu ray Special edition on Amazon pre-order in February.

You will rinse and repeat after every Star Wars movie that comes out.

That rebel scum in you, will be hidden in plain sight.    ;)


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2016, 10:39:16 am »
I am excited.... I think its a different brand of Star Wars. I was one of the few that was disappointed with Vader showing up. Why??? Because the ---smurfing--- Skywalkers are like the Galaxies version of the Kardashians. Man, that family is just screwed up and have killed the soul of Millions/billions.

It would have been great to leave that family behind.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2016, 10:44:56 am »


Because the ---smurfing--- Skywalkers are like the Galaxies version of the Kardashians.


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2016, 10:47:50 am »
Come on Yots... You KNOW it to be true.  :droid  You would think that was the ONLY family in the galaxy.

I say explore the galaxy!

That's why I like the idea of these individual saga stories.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2016, 10:50:18 am »
I don't think they have the balls to make a film that they can't wrap in nostalgia and try to make $ whoring all over food and toilletries.

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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2016, 11:47:57 am »
Funny thing about a story, nobody wants to read or watch or listen to it when you talk about the Johnson's next door who haven't really done anything of note in their lives.  What people want to hear about is the ones who make the big impacts in the world, whether it has to do with social media, politics, military, or anything else.

Plus, the Star Wars Franchise is about familiarity and the story line, not the world the story takes place in.  Typical fans want more of the story, not new stories that are unrelated.  Only the really dedicated fans give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the universe Lucas created.

I happen to be a big fan, but I also understand that you can't market something the majority of your audience doesn't care about.  My favorite part of ep 7 is how most characters thought the heroes of 4-6 were just a myth, a story told by mom or dad before bedtime, and I like how they had no connection or knowledge of those heroes.  And I can't say I wouldn't love to see new stories in the same universe that don't involve Jedi Knights, lightsabers, and heroes from past movies, but when a movie comes out that continues (or fills in) the existing story, I still want to go see it.  When you add to a story you need to have some strong connections to the characters in the story.

Look at it this way: Rogue One is about the first spies who stole the plans to the death star.  Vader was involved in the death star, possibly from the start.  How can you not have Vader in a movie about the space station he was using to keep the galaxy in line without at least a cameo? 

BTW, it was the second death star that Bothans died to get the details on.  Not the first.

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2016, 11:50:40 am »
Meh, you try to do space opera without the Skywalkers and you get Jupiter Ascending.


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2016, 12:19:07 pm »



I say let them make a few nostalgia based cash generating films.  How much did Disney pay for this franchise?  What else could we have expected other than an immediate plan to recoup the majority of the capital?  I'm just glad there is such high quality new stuff coming out rather than Lucas being weird about the whole thing all the time. 


This could have been Ghostbusters.

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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2016, 01:03:43 pm »
Meh, you try to do space opera without the Skywalkers and you get Jupiter Ascending.

I actually kinda liked that one...   :'(

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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2016, 02:07:46 pm »
I actually kinda liked that one...   :'(

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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2016, 02:59:51 pm »
I don't think it's too much to ask for a  original character that isn't an orphan or a nonsensical allegorical lesson in 21st century cultural ideals.

Plus I'm pretty tired of the Empire being so damn inept.  People better get shot and killed like a boss in this one.

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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2016, 03:25:25 pm »


Look at it this way: Rogue One is about the first spies who stole the plans to the death star.  Vader was involved in the death star, possibly from the start.  How can you not have Vader in a movie about the space station he was using to keep the galaxy in line without at least a cameo? 


Okay "big fan" (joking of course), I'll bite. Who was the main baddie in A New Hope? Who was in charge of the Deathstar? Who was the one who held Vaders Leash? Who was the one calling all of the shots? It wasn't Vader (besides hard to hold your own leash). It was Grand Moff Tarkin. Vader was the dog Tarkin sent to do his bidding.

So to keep it all 100% Tarkin used the space station to keep the galaxy in line. Not Vader. Vaders plot was only Advanced because of the relationship he had with a young rebel commander who was force sensitive. I hope Vaders cameo is small and he is only used as the half robotic mad dog that Tarkin used. But I agree that the people want to see the main players in the Star Wars saga, but if you think the Skywalkers are the only main players your Saga is actually quite small and insignificant and sorry to say boring. If we find out that there are other force sensitive families out there... or better yet NORMAL people that made huge impacts in the war against the rebellion then you get a real good feeling about how big and rich this saga could be!

A small but good example would be Vader constructing C3PO.... I mean what are the chances???? What is the galaxy like 3 planets and a couple of moons??? Terrible. Let's expand this universe!

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2016, 03:28:26 pm »
Meh, you try to do space opera without the Skywalkers and you get Jupiter Ascending.

Wrong...

You get Jupiter Ascending with terrible writing terrible directing and terrible vision..... oh and a terrible cast.

The difference between the quality of Marvel Avengers movies versus the quality of the Marvel Xmen movies. There is a big difference and feel between the two. I am asking for us to break free a bit and use some quality screen writers to make some good movies. It's  possible. There are a thousand Star Wars books out there... I doubt every single one centers around a Skywalker.
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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2016, 03:29:27 pm »
I don't think it's too much to ask for a  original character that isn't an orphan or a nonsensical allegorical lesson in 21st century cultural ideals.

Plus I'm pretty tired of the Empire being so damn inept.  People better get shot and killed like a boss in this one.


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2016, 04:05:23 pm »


Look at it this way: Rogue One is about the first spies who stole the plans to the death star.  Vader was involved in the death star, possibly from the start.  How can you not have Vader in a movie about the space station he was using to keep the galaxy in line without at least a cameo? 


Okay "big fan" (joking of course), I'll bite. Who was the main baddie in A New Hope? Who was in charge of the Deathstar? Who was the one who held Vaders Leash? Who was the one calling all of the shots? It wasn't Vader (besides hard to hold your own leash). It was Grand Moff Tarkin. Vader was the dog Tarkin sent to do his bidding.

So to keep it all 100% Tarkin used the space station to keep the galaxy in line. Not Vader. Vaders plot was only Advanced because of the relationship he had with a young rebel commander who was force sensitive. I hope Vaders cameo is small and he is only used as the half robotic mad dog that Tarkin used. But I agree that the people want to see the main players in the Star Wars saga, but if you think the Skywalkers are the only main players your Saga is actually quite small and insignificant and sorry to say boring. If we find out that there are other force sensitive families out there... or better yet NORMAL people that made huge impacts in the war against the rebellion then you get a real good feeling about how big and rich this saga could be!

A small but good example would be Vader constructing C3PO.... I mean what are the chances???? What is the galaxy like 3 planets and a couple of moons??? Terrible. Let's expand this universe!
Hey, to me, my favorite thing about the prequels is that we learned that Vader and the Evil Empire wouldn't have existed if Anakin had just remembered  "Bros before hos."

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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2016, 04:38:28 pm »
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2016, 04:51:36 pm »
Empire shoots fine when they aren't herding Luke around a ship.  The second Avengers movie was dullsville.  I've never managed to make it through the whole thing.


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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2016, 09:41:37 am »



Vader pretty much had to make an appearance for marketing purposes.  Plus, if the movie really is all about the conflicts regarding the Death Star's development, who do you think Palpatine would be sending to clean up all the little messes?  That was Vader's specialty.  He's a Cleaner.

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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2016, 10:04:13 am »
I think using Vader in his prime is an exciting development, but only if they use him right. If it's nothing more than a cameo, then I'll be disappointed.
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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2016, 10:28:51 am »



Please be better than the Joker in Suicide Squad.  Please.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2016, 10:24:40 am »
It was Grand Moff Tarkin. Vader was the dog Tarkin sent to do his bidding.
Except the overall leader was the Emperor and while Tarkin was one of his military leaders, Vader was his direct progeny behind the scenes.  So while Vader was technically under Tarkin militarily, I would say it was more like Vader was babysitting Tarkin for the Emperor.  Any way you cut it though, Vader was an integral part of the death star and to not have him there in the weeks before the death star was completed would not make any sense in the story.

People who write stories that have no market appeal can be good writers (and can even create new fans), but ultimately will be working as a waiter to pay the bills most of the time.  You just don't take a billion dollar franchise and leave out the elements that made it a billion dollar franchise.  If you want stories in the universe that don't involve the Skywalkers, read some of the books.  Just don't expect them to become big budget movies. 

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2016, 10:29:07 am »
Why haven't I seen a Rogue One themed bartop yet?  >:D
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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2016, 11:41:34 am »
It was Grand Moff Tarkin. Vader was the dog Tarkin sent to do his bidding.

People who write stories that have no market appeal can be good writers (and can even create new fans), but ultimately will be working as a waiter to pay the bills most of the time.  You just don't take a billion dollar franchise and leave out the elements that made it a billion dollar franchise.  If you want stories in the universe that don't involve the Skywalkers, read some of the books.  Just don't expect them to become big budget movies.

And that's a damn shame... My favorite part of Star Wars (original Trilogy) was the rebellion... not how convoluted the story got regarding the skywalkers and brothers and sisters... etc. I just wanted the little guys to kick the big guys ass... And I know I am not alone.

That was what was missing for me regarding the prequels.

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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2016, 11:44:46 am »
Well... I guess the more I think about it... It looks like besides Kylo Ren the Skywalkers will be phased out anyway (and he is a Solo). I can't believe they will be releasing a new Star Wars movie every single year till we are all dead in the ground. Do you realize that we will never see the end to the Star Wars story???

I just think that is crazy!
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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2016, 12:11:49 pm »
Personally I'm almost to the point that I'm just over it.  I have to get a copy of the despecialized trilogy before 20th century fox loses rights and Disney kills it then just hope for a decent Shadows of the Empire movie...

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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2016, 09:35:45 pm »
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Well turns out it was ---smurfing--- awesome.  Pink lenses, and I have no idea how they made Tarkin work,  but that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- was some freaking movoe magic! The gold and red leader was a little much but all of my issues are minor other than the records base being a bit of a mcguffin.

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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2016, 10:16:56 pm »
My wife and I saw it this morning, she liked it as did I. She liked the K2-SO bot the most, even more than BB-8 from Force Awakens. I thought it did a good job of being relevant and fitting into that story gap between ep 3 and 4 and explaining the Death Star weakness. Some of the "uncanny valley" CGI stuck out like a sore thumb especially in the closing moments of the film.  Lots of action, and the right amount of Vader to tie it in with the other flicks.

The movie held up well without relying on lightsabers and "the force".
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« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2016, 05:07:50 am »
Vader was downright badass in this. I'll give this a solid 4/5.

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« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2016, 09:55:37 pm »
It was a nice change to see a Star Wars Film without the crawl.  It is everything you would hope for in a movie (CGI aside) and it was rather poignant this time round.

I'm going to see it again tonight with less of a distraction of little kids and weed smokers in the audience.  ::)
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« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2016, 09:59:52 pm »
The movie was different... but in a completely unexpected amazing way. I loved it and I wouldn't mind seeing it again. I thought the story moved pretty damn fast (almost too fast) and we didn't learn a damn thing regarding the characters (but that was kind of expected). And yet you rooted for the rebels to give it to the Empire. It was a ton of fun and I thought they did a great job telling an original story!

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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2016, 03:00:14 am »
OMG Vader scene alone is worth the ticket price.

I thought the characters and the entire movie was amazing. Great story and was a pleasure to watch.

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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2016, 12:13:50 pm »



Saw it twice yesterday.  Great movie.  Hard to discuss without spoilers so I'm only going to have one minor complaint.


NO BOTHANS DIED IN THAT MOVIE!  WTF.

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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2016, 01:20:59 pm »



Saw it twice yesterday.  Great movie.  Hard to discuss without spoilers so I'm only going to have one minor complaint.


NO BOTHANS DIED IN THAT MOVIE!  WTF.

You're getting your movies mixed up.

Bothans died to get info on the 2nd Death Star.

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« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2016, 01:22:31 pm »



That joke is more of a reference to the early part of this thread than anything else. 

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« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2016, 01:34:42 pm »
Vader actually scared the little kid in me. The rest of the movie was very entertaining as well.

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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2016, 06:25:02 pm »
Vader actually scared the little kid in me. The rest of the movie was very entertaining as well.
The hip sway scared me, the end "power sequence" was awesome though.

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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2016, 10:36:08 pm »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2016, 12:37:59 am »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

I personally think it might have been less uncanny valley material if they had used an actor with makeup/prosthetic. He just looked too petite, something was lacking IMHO.

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2016, 01:17:32 am »
Saw it tonight. It was OK. Not as good as "THE FORCE AWAKENS", but still worth watching.

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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2016, 02:01:13 am »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

The technology sure has improved since the days of CG Arnold in i think Salvation... however it did catch me off guard. My brain was screaming FAKE!! But what the hell else are you going to do??? You NEED Tarkin in a movie like this... He runs the Death Star. You can't have a Death Star Movie without the main Baddie. So I am all for it! They did a great job!
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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2016, 02:16:44 am »
Saw it tonight. It was OK. Not as good as "THE FORCE AWAKENS", but still worth watching.

I just think they are two completely different movies going in two totally different directions. You just don't have the luxury of time to develop characters since you don't have 3 movies to do it in... you have like 10 minutes (maybe) to nail down the characters which is nothing. So because of that you almost sacrifice the Adventure element that TFA had.

I think the biggest thing that throws people off in Rogue is that they tried to see how far Disney could stretch this universe without sacrificing the "Star Wars" name. It's pretty ballsy to make a Star Wars movie without all of the characters and music and overall themes that made Star Wars... Star Wars you know? Hell they didn't even do the opening crawl!

 It's just what I kind of wanted. Personally I was sick of the Skywalkers and just kind of sick of seeing more of the same stuff  (Jedi/Sith/The Force/lightsabres) and I wanted something that was going to expand the overall story of the Rebellion vs the Empire and what the average Joe was sacrificing in this conflict. And that's what we got. I think they did a great job. risky but great nonetheless.

So I guess what I am trying to say is that these stand alone movies they are making are going to (hopefully) expand the universe a little bit. I wish wish wish that this is the last Star Wars with a Death Star or Death Star Like weapon. I mean we have 4 out of 8 movies that have that damn thing!
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2016, 08:03:33 am »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

It was the other way for me, I thought Cushing looked really good, especially considering the amount of screen time.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2016, 09:06:16 am »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

It was the other way for me, I thought Cushing looked really good, especially considering the amount of screen time. Leia........not so much.

I didn't know there would be CGI characters in this, so when i saw Tarkin, i thought, "Wow, they really found a good look-a-like actor." I'm a bit ashamed to say i never realized it was CG.  Leah was obvious, but for really obvious reasons (and thankfully, only a brief moment.)
 

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« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2016, 10:29:39 am »
Saw it tonight. It was OK. Not as good as "THE FORCE AWAKENS", but still worth watching.

Get that TFA talk outta here, this was so much better than EP 7 it's not even close bruh...  ;D ;) >:D


Anyway here are a few things I probablly would have changed


1)  I would have had a smaller ship leave the Rebel ship at the end of the skirmish.  (C'mon Princess, no one's going to believe you're on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan when you fled the scene of a full scale rebel battle)

2) It would have been a bit more believable to me if wreckage from an exploding x wing knocked out the antenna adjuster at an inopportune time rather than have an imperial fighter shoot at Jynn and then you know disappear

3) I'm not too sure how I feel about the death star being powered by lightsaber crystals.  On the positive though, if there was supposed to be an allegory of the Middle East for the planet that was being deprived of its energy resources and embroiled with stryfe and an occupation force it was subtle enough not to bother me (unlike "want to buy some death sticks" and the obvious NASCAR overtones of the pod races) and it was also a palpable environment, really loved that part of the movie.

4) While I loved the Tarkin stuff, as already mentioned, the Red Leader and Gold Leader stuff felt forced.  And the Red 5 stuff was just a little too much of hey look at this inside joke, you know who the next Red 5 is don't you audience?????

5) Did anyone else think the shield at the imperial records base had a security code of 1, 2, 3, 4,5?  The correlation down to the way it opened was a bit hilarious.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2016, 10:33:52 am »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

It was the other way for me, I thought Cushing looked really good, especially considering the amount of screen time. Leia........not so much.


Might want to spoiler tag that.  Seriously.  harveybirdman too.  Still too soon.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2016, 10:45:46 am »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

It was the other way for me, I thought Cushing looked really good, especially considering the amount of screen time.Leia........not so much.


Might want to spoiler tag that.  Seriously.  harveybirdman too.  Still too soon.

Are you kidding me?
The IMDB page says "The Rebel Alliance makes a risky move to steal the plans for the Death Star, setting up the epic saga to follow."

Everyone who's seen any of the Star Wars movies knows Leia had the plans. Not mentioning that is like having to spoiler tag that there is a Death Star.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk
« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2016, 12:25:02 pm »
I hear some are complaining about cgi peter cushing, I don't know maybe my eyesight at 38 isn't what it used to be but I thought it looked amazing!

It was the other way for me, I thought Cushing looked really good, especially considering the amount of screen time. Leia........not so much.


Might want to spoiler tag that.  Seriously.  harveybirdman too.  Still too soon.

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« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2016, 01:47:00 pm »
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« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2016, 01:56:37 pm »
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2016, 09:34:50 pm »
Just got back from the movies.  I'm not a hardcore star wars fan.
I thought it was awesome!  Definitely one of the best movies I've seen this year.
Much better than the last Star Wars reboot.
There were a ton of shots where I thought "holy crap that shot was done well"...and they just kept coming.

After they landed at the citadel and talked about transmitting the plans I started thinking that the perfect ending would be for everyone to die.
There were a lot of small kids in the theater so I was going to forgive them if the writers had the main hero escape for the sake of younger audiences.
Turned out they had the balls to do it right.   :applaud:

If I had to nitpick:

Something about the accents bothered me.  The lead character's father had a different accent than she did.  Nobody else in the movie had the same accent as the rebel guy.  (yeah, I don't bother remembering their names.  It's only a movie.)  Everyone gets a random accent!

I expected a LOT more hilarity out of a droid without a speech filter.   A lot of his lines were sarcasm rather than the lack of a filter.

I rolled my eyes when x-wings started doing bombing runs across a giant metal surface again.

Everything at the citadel was a video game script.  It was like it was written with controller movements/limitations in mind.  I supposed they could just be trying to make it relatable to the kids that play modern games.

This is nitpicking though.  The movie was amazing.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2016, 10:22:14 pm »
Just realized that this movie also fits the standard Disney script of the dead mother and distant father.  Hey, if it works every time.....

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2016, 03:14:42 am »
I saw it a few Days ago and loved it.

My favorite part my have been when there was no star wars wipe and every other time they just did things differently for all the other movies.

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2016, 03:52:44 am »


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Much better than the last Star Wars reboot.
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There are no Star Wars reboots. However Batman and Spiderman got many reboots.

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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2016, 05:44:52 am »

There are no Star Wars reboots. However Batman and Spiderman got many reboots.

True,

I think Star war fan boys would start an acteral violent rebellion if Disney tried to reboot.

It's my personal wish that the star track reboot ends with Ben Sisco intervention to restor the time line.

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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2016, 09:56:01 am »
I think Star war fan boys would start an acteral violent rebellion if Disney tried to reboot.

Force Awakens is in effect a reboot... and a poorly done one at that.

I enjoyed Rogue One more than Force Awakens but that is damning with faint praise.

Rouge One had a number of glaring continuity errors and very erratic story (I think we see the reported re-shoots in action here) soundtrack was not overtly Star Wars but not memorable either. Best characters are K2 and the Kung Fu force/non-jedi guy.

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« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2016, 12:01:07 pm »
I think Star war fan boys would start an acteral violent rebellion if Disney tried to reboot.


What good is Stormtrooper armor if it can be defeated with a dude with a stick?  WTH

Great point... but what the hell does Stormtrooper armor even do... We learned it doesn't filter out gass (TFA), We know it can't stop a blaster (ALL), We know you can barely see out of the damn thing (ANH), you can get beat down with a stick (ROTJ and Rogue), Stones hurt (ROTJ), I can't remember if ewok arrows were able to pierce it...

It has to be the worst designed armor in any movie ever.
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« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2016, 01:27:49 pm »



If you go by the books most of the Stormtroopers are crappy soldiers because they are conscripted and don't want to win.

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« Reply #78 on: December 23, 2016, 10:10:13 am »
The armor is probably more for intimidation than anything else.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #79 on: December 23, 2016, 11:49:11 am »
I went to see it today.
I thought it was alright.
It answered the questions that were between episode 3 & 4 and wasn't the usual star wars blend.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2016, 07:41:30 am »
I thought it was really good--a bit slow in spots but overall, really loved the feel of the scrappy rebellion coming together.  One thing I can't remember though is when they show R2 and 3P0--does he say--"where are "we" off to" or where are "they" off to.  One implies they are going to Scarif and the other implies they are staying at the base while the fleet is leaving.  If they get left behind on the base--how were they on the blockade runner for a new hope?  Help my ailing memory here.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2016, 09:50:49 am »
I thought it was really good--a bit slow in spots but overall, really loved the feel of the scrappy rebellion coming together.  One thing I can't remember though is when they show R2 and 3P0--does he say--"where are "we" off to" or where are "they" off to.  One implies they are going to Scarif and the other implies they are staying at the base while the fleet is leaving.  If they get left behind on the base--how were they on the blockade runner for a new hope?  Help my ailing memory here.
I heard "we", but took it to mean we as in the rebels in general, not them in particular.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2016, 04:59:19 pm »
If they get left behind on the base--how were they on the blockade runner for a new hope?  Help my ailing memory here.

Its one of the continuity errors made in the movie.

Another is where are the "many Bothan spies" who died getting the Death Star plans to the rebels?

None to be found in Rouge One.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2016, 05:19:12 pm »
If they get left behind on the base--how were they on the blockade runner for a new hope?  Help my ailing memory here.

Its one of the continuity errors made in the movie.

Another is where are the "many Bothan spies" who died getting the Death Star plans to the rebels?

None to be found in Rouge One.

As discussed above, they (Bothans) died getting plans for the SECOND death star.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2016, 05:19:28 pm »
Its one of the continuity errors made in the movie.

Another is where are the "many Bothan spies" who died getting the Death Star plans to the rebels?

None to be found in Rouge One.

That's a quote from Return of the Jedi, so it doesn't apply here.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #85 on: December 25, 2016, 05:00:11 am »
That's a quote from Return of the Jedi, so it doesn't apply here.

Ah thanks! Been awhile since I have seen it.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #86 on: December 26, 2016, 01:26:55 am »
None to be found in Rouge One.

As a person who LOVED this movie and also routinely plays a rogue...  gonna call out the OBVIOUSLY PAINFULLY BAD SPELLING.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #87 on: December 26, 2016, 06:07:53 am »
None to be found in Rouge One.

As a person who LOVED this movie and also routinely plays a rogue...  gonna call out the OBVIOUSLY PAINFULLY BAD SPELLING.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #88 on: December 26, 2016, 01:44:28 pm »
Personally my favorite part was the little things like the wardrobes and props.  It felt very "star wars episode 4".  I missed not having a crawl, not because the movie needed one, but because that is the best part of a new star wars movie.  It's funny, I'm glad it didn't have one since this is a side story and not part of the saga, but it was still a bit of a let down..

Overall a good prequel to the original Star Wars...

I wanted to go home and watch the original immediately afterward, but between work, being sick, and Christmas, it just wasn't happening.

FWIW, When Leia got out of there in the Corellian Corvette, they would have jumped to hyperspace, and we have no way of knowing how many jumps they made with how many course corrections to end up near Tattooine when they were finally caught.  It is plausible that she, as an ambassador, could have tried to use the excuse that she was on a diplomatic mission. 

I also like how the music shifted throughout the movie until it was playing the same music of Ep IV. 

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #89 on: December 26, 2016, 02:11:27 pm »
I went to see it on Christmas Eve with low expectations, but to my surprise, it was excellent. Not perfect by any means, but far better than I could reasonably have expected given that it was made by Disney, and given the dross that Hollywood (mostly) churns out these days.

I'd provisionally put this as my second favourite Star Wars movie. Not quite as good as the original, but better than The Empire Strikes Back (which is good but slightly overrated IMHO).
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #90 on: December 26, 2016, 02:20:51 pm »

I wanted to go home and watch the original immediately afterward, but between work, being sick, and Christmas, it just wasn't happening.


Indeed. In a strange way, this prequel might actually have enhanced the original.

Next time I watch the original, I'll have in the back of my mind the notion that major sacrifices were made to retrieve the Death Star's plans, and that will hopefully make the movie feel a bit less frivolous.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #91 on: December 26, 2016, 02:22:10 pm »
Not quite as good as the original, but better than The Empire Strikes Back (which is good but slightly overrated IMHO).

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #92 on: December 26, 2016, 02:37:17 pm »
Not quite as good as the original, but better than The Empire Strikes Back (which is good but slightly overrated IMHO).

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Heh, I knew that would get someone's attention.

Don't get me wrong, it's a decent film. But I think many people prefer it to Episode 4 because it has a reputation for being "dark" when it's not really that dark at all.

Frankly, if you want darkness then Rogue One is a lot darker. I was particularly impressed by the fact that all the principal characters were killed off. I haven't seen that since Blakes 7.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #93 on: December 26, 2016, 04:48:07 pm »
And the fact the rest are most likely dead or in a old folks home.  I think Blakes 7 would suffer a remake.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #94 on: December 29, 2016, 01:02:38 pm »
Not perfect by any means, but far better than I could reasonably have expected given that it was made by Disney, and given the dross that Hollywood (mostly) churns out these days.




Given that Disney owns pretty much everything now we can probably give up the "good for a Disney movie" idea. 

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #95 on: January 01, 2017, 07:58:37 pm »
Finally saw it.  Three other people in the theater.

Not sure why we needed a mystical space Asian that knows karate but whatever.  Every scene with him and his husband were a drag.



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« Reply #96 on: January 01, 2017, 08:12:16 pm »


Not sure why we needed a mystical space Asian that knows karate but whatever.

Young writer probably caught a Zatoichi movie at 3 in the morning while stoned. 


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« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2017, 05:37:45 pm »
Not sure why we needed a mystical space Asian that knows karate but whatever.  Every scene with him and his husband were a drag.

To ensure billions of Chinese viewers will pay admission.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2017, 05:55:50 pm »
You know, I frequently ponder whether or not various subgroups enjoy their stereotypical depictions versus chafing against the notion that they all know Kung fu or how to play bass guitar.  I suppose this movie doesn't resolve that issue, but that guy was extraordinarily out of place in this movie.

Force Awakens was better.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2017, 06:24:17 pm »
Saw this the day that Carrie passed away, lot of feels about that.  At any rate, I left the theater pleased with the experience.  A few days on and I'm less so, there's a bunch of things that just kinda bother me about this production. 

Can we please have more sets and more locations - christ that was a bit much.

Cassian wasn't believable for me, the movie establishes him as a follow-orders-kill-a-comrade-when-needed-spy-guy and then he spends the whole movie doing the opposite without any real motivation to change except perhaps of the sexual nature. 

Let's introduce Forest Whitaker with body mods that seriously harken to Vader and hint that he's going to be a badass but then age him, give him crazy hair, crazy voice, and a mind reading tentacle monster with a squid for a vagina that makes people crazy...only it doesn't really make people crazy.  Only temporarily crazy.  Whatever, and let's have Saw stay and face his death for like no reason since fighting the empire was his gig.  The character was the lynch pin of the first act and they just ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- all over it.     

The Knights of Jedha were pointless additions that did nothing to drive the story.  Their entire purpose in the movie was to flip a switch that didn't need to be flipped in the first place because obviously the rebels would be trying to reopen the gate, they just sent an X-wing squadron through it.  They were so overpowered that they were unbelievable.  These guys smoked how many storm troopers, and what the hell is up with their guns.  Blind guy has the MIB noisy cricket in his walking stick and hairy guy outguns all but an AT-AT. 

Erso's message was a worthless plot device.  His message should have included the ---goshdarn--- plans, instead it was a message in a bottle to his daughter with the golden nugget of, "If you go get the plans for this thing you can figure out how to blow it up, because it has a weakness."  Well no ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---?  You're telling me that if I have the schematic that I can maybe find a way to take out the giant device?  Really?!  Fucksake.  Not only that, the plans were labeled under his nickname for his daughter which was handy since there was literally no other way to tell which plans you needed than to remember that daddy called you Stardust.  Handy, unless somebody else in the rebellion was trying to get the plans because, ya know, that might be important. 

Also, if you're Jyn and the planet is exploding rather slowly towards your location and you need to beat feat outta there, don't you think you'd grab the USB stick with the hologram of your father you haven't seen in 10 years?  Considering you have time to discuss life plans with Forest Whitaker?  Considering it's why you came there?

Whatever.  I shed a tear when K2-SO bit it, the only character worth a damn.  Did you see how conflicted he was when they made him stab the imperial bot.  Like K2 gonna need some damn therapy after that.  ---smurfing--- Harambe and K2.   

Edit - more rant.  Vader, oh Vader.  Why on earth would you hang out on Mustafar?  Isn't that where you killed your wife and lost like 70% of your body?  Gluten for guilt ridden punishment...not likely.  Enjoy hanging out where you felt like your father figure and mentor betrayed you?  That said, your scenes there are good.  But during the rebel attack you go a pull a ---smurfing--- Yoda vs Dooku?  Didn't we learn this lesson already?  EpIII had ~23 years to let the steam go out of Yoda to ROTJ but seeing Vader bad ass around at the end of Rogue One is separated by literally a car chase with New Hope.  You telling me that in the time it takes to track down Antilles' craft you've become totally different type of badass.  They type that has zero blood lust, kills personally only on whim, and allows the peons to do the heavy fighting - because 20 minutes before you were the breach element for a much larger ship.  It's incongruous.  Sure we got the Vader we wanted, but not the Vader we needed. 

And the death star - let's fire it at Jedha.  Boom, Jedha instantly destroyed.  Let's fire it at the base with all the important records and ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- we need to destroy to prevent the enemy from getting, miss by like 40 miles and give the heroes time to make it down to the beach (wasn't everyone just fighting there?) to hug it out in the glory of the impending death, which looks exactly nothing like the impending death on Jedha.  Wouldn't it still cause giant rolling fuzzy gravity bits of planet to kick up on the horizon?  Nope, just beautiful cinematic whiteness?  Okay. 

---fudgesicle---.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #100 on: January 03, 2017, 01:45:56 am »
Saw this the day that Carrie passed away, lot of feels about that.  At any rate, I left the theater pleased with the experience.  A few days on and I'm less so, there's a bunch of things that just kinda bother me about this production. 

Can we please have more sets and more locations - christ that was a bit much.

Cassian wasn't believable for me, the movie establishes him as a follow-orders-kill-a-comrade-when-needed-spy-guy and then he spends the whole movie doing the opposite without any real motivation to change except perhaps of the sexual nature. 

Let's introduce Forest Whitaker with body mods that seriously harken to Vader and hint that he's going to be a badass but then age him, give him crazy hair, crazy voice, and a mind reading tentacle monster with a squid for a vagina that makes people crazy...only it doesn't really make people crazy.  Only temporarily crazy.  Whatever, and let's have Saw stay and face his death for like no reason since fighting the empire was his gig.  The character was the lynch pin of the first act and they just ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- all over it.     

The Knights of Jedha were pointless additions that did nothing to drive the story.  Their entire purpose in the movie was to flip a switch that didn't need to be flipped in the first place because obviously the rebels would be trying to reopen the gate, they just sent an X-wing squadron through it.  They were so overpowered that they were unbelievable.  These guys smoked how many storm troopers, and what the hell is up with their guns.  Blind guy has the MIB noisy cricket in his walking stick and hairy guy outguns all but an AT-AT. 

Erso's message was a worthless plot device.  His message should have included the ---goshdarn--- plans, instead it was a message in a bottle to his daughter with the golden nugget of, "If you go get the plans for this thing you can figure out how to blow it up, because it has a weakness."  Well no ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---?  You're telling me that if I have the schematic that I can maybe find a way to take out the giant device?  Really?!  Fucksake.  Not only that, the plans were labeled under his nickname for his daughter which was handy since there was literally no other way to tell which plans you needed than to remember that daddy called you Stardust.  Handy, unless somebody else in the rebellion was trying to get the plans because, ya know, that might be important. 

Also, if you're Jyn and the planet is exploding rather slowly towards your location and you need to beat feat outta there, don't you think you'd grab the USB stick with the hologram of your father you haven't seen in 10 years?  Considering you have time to discuss life plans with Forest Whitaker?  Considering it's why you came there?

Whatever.  I shed a tear when K2-SO bit it, the only character worth a damn.  Did you see how conflicted he was when they made him stab the imperial bot.  Like K2 gonna need some damn therapy after that.  ---smurfing--- Harambe and K2.   

Edit - more rant.  Vader, oh Vader.  Why on earth would you hang out on Mustafar?  Isn't that where you killed your wife and lost like 70% of your body?  Gluten for guilt ridden punishment...not likely.  Enjoy hanging out where you felt like your father figure and mentor betrayed you?  That said, your scenes there are good.  But during the rebel attack you go a pull a ---smurfing--- Yoda vs Dooku?  Didn't we learn this lesson already?  EpIII had ~23 years to let the steam go out of Yoda to ROTJ but seeing Vader bad ass around at the end of Rogue One is separated by literally a car chase with New Hope.  You telling me that in the time it takes to track down Antilles' craft you've become totally different type of badass.  They type that has zero blood lust, kills personally only on whim, and allows the peons to do the heavy fighting - because 20 minutes before you were the breach element for a much larger ship.  It's incongruous.  Sure we got the Vader we wanted, but not the Vader we needed. 

And the death star - let's fire it at Jedha.  Boom, Jedha instantly destroyed.  Let's fire it at the base with all the important records and ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- we need to destroy to prevent the enemy from getting, miss by like 40 miles and give the heroes time to make it down to the beach (wasn't everyone just fighting there?) to hug it out in the glory of the impending death, which looks exactly nothing like the impending death on Jedha.  Wouldn't it still cause giant rolling fuzzy gravity bits of planet to kick up on the horizon?  Nope, just beautiful cinematic whiteness?  Okay. 

---fudgesicle---.

Sounds like you enjoyed the film almost as much as I did with a bunch of assclown kids sitting back of me kicking my seat.  The rebels were really good in the land battles, something akin to our boys fighting in the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Guess you cannot get better than that.  I just saw the film last night again without the kids, and I really enjoyed it.  Especially the chop and dice scene at the end with Vader's lightsabre.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2017, 12:24:07 am »
After the good-guy droid's first few lines, I thought for sure we were going to hear him say "And then of course I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side"

This was a bad movie. It's crappy lighting didn't put me in mind of moral ambiguity - it just made me think of a hack director that thinks making every scene in his movie look unnaturally overcast is cool.

Need I say spoilers ahead?
"If they take me, you know what to do". The suspense! What could this secret contingency be! What, hide in a freakin' hole? That's it? Wait, here's an adult. Must be a friend of the family coming to recover the daughter, as was pre-arranged. No, the rescuing adult's a coincidence? I don't mind the coincidence, but don't tease me that there's a "you know what to do" in my future, and it's just "little girl hides in a freakin' hole." 

Saw Gerrera was the only character with potential, but that was wasted because he was so stupid and inconsistent. "I'm tired of running" No, if that's your choice, then you're just tired of living. Maybe if Saw had spent his whole life running from city-leveling explosions, that line might make sense. But there was no relevant finality to an on-going struggle which that line implies. The dude was a master guerilla warrior. There must have been some running in his life, but it constituted a minority of his activities. The rest of his life was the fulfilling planning and execution of kick-ass attacks on an evil empire. That's pretty lazy when you can't even bother to provide sensible context for your cliches. And unless I missed something, when Saw decides it's time to pack it in, then the rest of his squad quietly joins him in suicide. My mind filled in the missing protests while in the theater:
"I'm not tired!"
"I like running!"
"If you had room for Che, you've got room for me!"

The rebellion was a disappointment. So noncommittal. I understand what they were trying to do, but the execution of it just made me question why I cheered for these losers in 1977. It was a half-hearted rebellion which half-heartedly called it quits in a half-hearted movie until they heard a few tepid words from the female lead. I didn't know if it was just a small band that was back on board, or if the whole rebellion was back in full swing, or what. Was I supposed to be waiting for this small(?) group to later inspire the rest of the rebellion to get back on board? Or did not-Daisy Ridley just do that all by herself? Part of the problem was that there was a poor sense of space in the rebel HQ, and especially when not-Daisy had her rally-the-troops moment.

The CGI looked fine, but its use was pointless at best. Just cast other actors in the roles. Everybody's going to be too busy critiquing or marveling at the CGI to take their screen presence as characters seriously. 

For the events leading up to ANH, the NPR radio adaptation is quite good, and the first two hours or so covers events just before the movie picks up (Luke listening to the Imperial Navy recruiting ad with the Imperial March playing on it was a geek-out moment).
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2017, 01:19:05 am »
Suffered from the same problem the prequels did...you know that they're going to get the plans before you even walked into the theater.


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2017, 12:38:26 pm »
It makes A New Hope a better movie. Everything in the opening crawl from A New Hope was in Rogue One. I thought the cast was pretty damn good considering you wont get the character development you usually get from these movies. We don't have a trilogy to like and really know the characters... we just have a fun action movie.


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« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2017, 01:11:23 pm »
It makes A New Hope a better movie. Everything in the opening crawl from A New Hope was in Rogue One. I thought the cast was pretty damn good considering you wont get the character development you usually get from these movies. We don't have a trilogy to like and really know the characters...
Not every movie is meant to be a cog in a franchise, and many those movies do just fine developing their characters. That's a bizarre notion that you need a movie trilogy for proper character development. If you were fine with the level of characterization in the movie, that's great, but don't pretend it was due to the limitations of only(!) having over two hours of cinema to tell your story.

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« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2017, 08:28:50 am »
It makes A New Hope a better movie. Everything in the opening crawl from A New Hope was in Rogue One. I thought the cast was pretty damn good considering you wont get the character development you usually get from these movies. We don't have a trilogy to like and really know the characters...
Not every movie is meant to be a cog in a franchise, and many those movies do just fine developing their characters. That's a bizarre notion that you need a movie trilogy for proper character development. If you were fine with the level of characterization in the movie, that's great, but don't pretend it was due to the limitations of only(!) having over two hours of cinema to tell your story.

I was happy. Thanks for recognizing it.  :)


Question now becomes do you think there was just too much fan service in this movie? Is that the reason it bogged down?
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2017, 08:43:07 am »
Question now becomes do you think there was just too much fan service in this movie? Is that the reason it bogged down?

Yes.

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« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2017, 09:49:33 am »
I don't understand how people love Ep 7 and hate R1.....  :angry:

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« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2017, 10:22:23 am »
I don't hate either, yes I had a rant about it but the film was fun to watch.  What I've found with E7 tho is that it doesn't have the rewatch value for me ANH, ESB, and ROTJ have. 

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« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2017, 10:37:49 am »
Force Awakens revisited beloved characters and moved the plot forward.  We already sat through three prequels.  I think those are better than people give them credit for, but they were full of stupid ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like Boba Fett clone armies and backflip action Yoda.  Rogue One asks us to believe that the Empire defends a key sand island base with their stupid giant robot dogs that are taken down with handheld laser guns.  How come Luke can afford a bad ass hover car that zips along the sand dunes and the Empire can't?

I literally fell asleep during Rogue One in the theater.  That hadn't happened since... Alien vs Predator?


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2017, 08:02:37 pm »
The only category in which R1 tops E7 is in the attempt to be a different kind of SW movie (A fact that I wish would have been more clear before we decided to see it. Even had it been well-made, this kind of movie would still have bored my daughter to tears). R1 was almost amateurish. E7, for all of its many faults, at least competently handled many elements R1 struggled with, and actually excelled on one or two points.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2017, 08:14:04 am »
Overall, I thought Rogue One was excellent. Sure, if you scrutinise the film closely enough, you’ll find a few plot holes. But they’re pretty minor, and compared to the woeful standards of most Hollywood sci-fi, the story (and the motivations of the characters) holds together pretty well IMHO. In fact, by providing a reasonable explanation why the Death Star had a fatal weakness, it actually makes the plot of A New Hope seem slightly more plausible.

That being said, I do have a few issues with the film.

Firstly, I thought the score was very weak. Towards the end it morphs into the traditional Star Wars score (which is great) but before that point it just sounds like generic film music, unmemorable and uninspiring. With the money they had to spend, they could and should have done a lot better.

The other issue I have, is that many parts of the film felt very rushed. That’s particularly true of the first half where they flit from one random planet to another at breakneck speed. Even the finale (which is supposed to be action-packed) felt a little too busy for my tastes.

If you watch the trailers, you will see a lot of material that didn’t find its way into the final film. That suggests to me that some very aggressive editing took place in order to shoehorn the film into the 2 hours (approx) running time that distributors insist upon these days.

I suspect that a lot of the perceived plot holes are actually a result of over aggressive editing rather that problems with the underlying writing. But I guess we’ll have to wait for the inevitable “director’s cut” before we know whether my theory is true.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2017, 09:22:15 am »


If you watch the trailers, you will see a lot of material that didn’t find its way into the final film. That suggests to me that some very aggressive editing took place in order to shoehorn the film into the 2 hours (approx) running time that distributors insist upon these days.


Upwards of 40% of the movie was re-shot after it did not test well.

Shooting started before the script was even completed! Disney was in a hurry to get some money back it seems.

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« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2017, 09:22:50 am »
The only category in which R1 tops E7 is in the attempt to be a different kind of SW movie (A fact that I wish would have been more clear before we decided to see it. Even had it been well-made, this kind of movie would still have bored my daughter to tears). R1 was almost amateurish. E7, for all of its many faults, at least competently handled many elements R1 struggled with, and actually excelled on one or two points.

The major flaw of The Force Awakens is that its plot is ridiculously similar to the plot of A New Hope. In places it feels more like a remake than a sequel. Seriously, did they really need to blow up a third Death Star?

Unfortunately, that flaw is so serious and (IMHO) unforgivable that, for me at least, it completely undermines all the many things that TFA got right.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2017, 09:46:42 am »
Preach Grasshopper!

TFA is a joke, the only thing they got right is practical effects and Daisy Fuentes being hot.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2017, 10:28:31 am »

The major flaw of The Force Awakens is that its plot is ridiculously similar to the plot of A New Hope. In places it feels more like a remake than a sequel. Seriously, did they really need to blow up a third Death Star?

Unfortunately, that flaw is so serious and (IMHO) unforgivable that, for me at least, it completely undermines all the many things that TFA got right.

Not just a death star, but a star consuming death star.  Ugh.  I can only suspend my disbelief so far before I'm completely taken out of the movie.  Even if I buy the possibility of a star consuming weapon, the impracticality of it all is just way too stupid.
Unfortunately, the more I think about TFA the less I like it and I can say the same about Rogue One.  Once the "Hey look, the Millenium Falcon!" and "Hey, neat, a witty droid!" moments have faded, there's not much left.

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« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2017, 11:39:20 am »
Preach Grasshopper!

TFA is a joke, the only thing they got right is practical effects and Daisy Fuentes being hot.

I think you mean Daisy Duke.

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« Reply #117 on: January 10, 2017, 11:55:30 am »
We saw it over the weekend,  it was OK at best.   Parts seemed way too rushed, whether that was due to writing or editing doesn't really matter, the final product suffered greatly.  The whole 'tape backup tower' was dumb.   That's really the most advanced way the Empire has to store their sensitive data, in an above ground tower?  That stuff wouldn't be in an underground vault?   And tapes?  Really?

The blind guy was annoying with his incessant mumbling about the force.   

The imperial pilot that had his mind read by whatever the hell that thing was, ended up be way too coherent.   They have this scene and Saw Gerrera makes a point of saying people lose their mind after being read by that thing, then he is confused for 2 seconds when Cassian asks him if he is the pilot.   Then all of a sudden he says ... 'I am the pilot' and he remembers everything about the Empire.   And how does a lowly cargo pilot know so much about imperial communications and random 'master switches' that are just out in the open?

It was entertaining enough for a Saturday afternoon that was 15 degrees outside and we had nothing better to do.

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« Reply #118 on: January 16, 2017, 08:26:46 pm »
I saw this on the weekend just gone.  I enjoyed The Force Awakens more, that said the battle scenes over the beach planet were worth the price of admission alone.  Le Chuck's comments on the memory squid made me laugh. Pretty much agree with the rest of his observations.  Wordiness and pace of the start including the whole thing with the pilot bored me a bit.  Not as bad as debates in the senate in EP 2 & 3 but reminded me of it nonetheless.


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« Reply #119 on: March 19, 2017, 09:30:24 pm »
Bootleg is out.  Movie is a mess.  Peter Cushing looks very convincing on my TV, did they tweak him a little?


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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #120 on: March 20, 2017, 04:32:48 pm »
I didn't expect much from this movie. And I didn't really get it. But at least I didn't have to try and explain it all to the wife for the next few days (Arrival).

Plot/story  6-10.  Who would have thunk a bunch of rag tag's could get thrown together to try and save the day (Nope never seen that before).
Acting 7-10 Overall the acting was pretty good, Some of the characters were a little forced  (Blind Asian Character giving all the force references for example)
Visual Effects/CGI 6-10 (Would have got an 8 , but the Fake Leia, oh man that proper ruined it. They could have just done side profile or something to better effect)
Music 6-10 It just wasn't SW, I'm sure that they could have used stuff from the other 7 movies better. It was at it's best when blatantly stealing from John Williams score.

Better than the Prequels, Fills out the universe a little more.  Overall a good enough Saturday afternoon Sci Fi Flick. 

Overall I give it a 6 out of 10.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #121 on: March 21, 2017, 10:29:25 am »
What ever happened to people just watching a movie to be entertained for a couple hours? 

It is very rare that a really good movie lives up to the hype.  Why hinge your entertainment value on such low odds?

To each their own, but if you go through life comparing each moment to some standard, it can be awfully hard to just enjoy the moment.  There is an advantage to being a cynic and a pessimist - when things are better than bad, you are pleasantly surprised. 

I get it - this is Star Wars, and there is an expectation of being wow'd like that first time you sat in the theater in 1977.  But it was never going to win an Academy Award. 

IMHO, the movie didn't suck, it was a nice segue into ep 4, and I was entertained.  I wanted to go home immediately after and watch ep 4 again.

I look forward to getting it on BluRay so I can watch it on the home theater.  Unfortunately I am selling my house, so I am not sure if I will get a chance to see it at home before then, and the new house won't be done for 9 months, and the new theater will take me months to build after that.  Ep 8 will probably be out on bluray before I have a home theater again..

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #122 on: March 21, 2017, 10:48:29 am »
I didn't expect much from this movie. And I didn't really get it. But at least I didn't have to try and explain it all to the wife for the next few days (Arrival).

Arrival, man.  That was the emperor's new clothes of movies last year.  After watching that, I sat in disbelief as I kept reading how great it was.  Online opinion did seem to cool once more people watched it, though.

Anyway, nerd friends are coming over this weekend to watch Rogue One, maybe if we talk over the boring parts it'll be better.


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« Reply #123 on: March 21, 2017, 11:53:12 am »
I didn't expect much from this movie. And I didn't really get it. But at least I didn't have to try and explain it all to the wife for the next few days (Arrival).

Arrival, man.  That was the emperor's new clothes of movies last year.  After watching that, I sat in disbelief as I kept reading how great it was.  Online opinion did seem to cool once more people watched it, though.

Anyway, nerd friends are coming over this weekend to watch Rogue One, maybe if we talk over the boring parts it'll be better.

I really enjoyed Arrival.  Wife was bored to distraction, I can understand those that feel the same.  It hit a niche that I thought was very interesting but it's not like I'm going to own it or anything.  The Martian has massive rewatch value for both the wife and I.  Something about watching Matt Damon suffer just really speaks to us.

I'm thinking about getting a digital copy of Rogue One and cutting it down to like a half hour special.  I've seen some of those cuts where folks have smooshed all three prequels into one film...they still feel a bit overlong lol.     

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #124 on: March 21, 2017, 02:00:20 pm »
I liked Rogue one, despite it's flaws.  I found them much easier to look past then the many problems with Episode 7.  But at this point I think it's safe to say that the magic from Empire will never be regained.  I'm more excited about putting together a blue ray collection of the Despecialized trilogy than I am for any future movies.

Although I would totally watch at post Revenge Pre Rouge one Vader movie.

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« Reply #125 on: March 21, 2017, 03:03:10 pm »
Well, we both enjoyed The Martian but it didn't do much for me on the rewatch.  Book was better, movie was entertaining.


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« Reply #126 on: March 21, 2017, 04:52:01 pm »
I just don't understand why people hold Star Wars films to such high standards. I grew up with them... watched them and I love them. But hell even I know that they made 2 maybe 3 great movies out of 8. That's like 37% That is like Johnny Cash's hits versus missus low. And as I type that I have to laugh because I love Johnny too.

Moral of the story is most of the Star Wars movies are dumb if you want to rate them on story and characters and acting.   
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« Reply #127 on: March 21, 2017, 06:53:06 pm »
Star wars is great because of the Sci-fi high fantasy of it all...there is cheese all over the place. We just like to complain that the new cheese is not just like the old cheese.

Plus some of ya are just plain old lactose intolerant in your old age.

I am entertained by most things Star wars and will be forever. So I liked Rogue one. I do own the original on laserdisc for the cheese purists out there.  :cheers:

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« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2017, 09:18:25 am »
Star wars is great because of the Sci-fi high fantasy of it all...there is cheese all over the place. We just like to complain that the new cheese is not just like the old cheese.

Plus some of ya are just plain old lactose intolerant in your old age.

I am entertained by most things Star wars and will be forever. So I liked Rogue one. I do own the original on laserdisc for the cheese purists out there.  :cheers:

Yep... I agree with this 100% That was my point! Well said! I also own the laser disc version of the ot as well. :)
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« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2017, 09:31:42 am »
I see ya'lls point and I tend to agree when it comes to ROTJ.  Many fanboys hate Jedi for the Ewoks, Death Star Retread, etc.  However for many years it was easily my favorite.  I loved the Tolkienesque crescendo to the climax where we get the duel, the space conflict, and the ground battle all intertwined.

Not to mention the imagery from the pre special edition Tatooine will always be iconic to me.  And like you I still scoff to this day when people call it out for being bad.

But if I may return my panties to a wad, I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade.   I just don't see it happening.

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« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2017, 10:36:44 am »
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I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade.   I just don't see it happening.
I suppose it depends on your definition of a really great Star Wars movie.  One of the biggest elements that made 1977 Star Wars great was the special effects.  It defined a whole generation of films and started the most impactful special effects company of the century.  Judging on special effects and cinematics, we might already have a great Star Wars movie this decade.  Or perhaps you want to look at gross revenues.  There isn't a studio in the world who would turn down the success of the last two movies.

It's all relative, really.  Will a Star Wars movie ever win a major critical award?  No, it hasn't defined a generation of movies since the original trilogy.  Star Wars was never targeting the adult audience either, from the original to the latest to the special shows aired on TV over the years.  It targets a younger audience and always has, whether we like it or not.  In today's world, if you want high fantasy to tread new ground, it has to be gritty, shameless, hold nothing back, and be as adult as possible.  Neither Lucasfilm nor Disney has ever been known for pushing the boundaries of morality in film.

That being said, who here wouldn't want to see a pre-quel with the hero being a roguish smuggler type who isn't terribly bright but makes up for it with balls the size of the Millennium Falcon, enjoys carousing with the ladies at any hive of villainy and corruption, will do just about anything for money, and always shoots first, yet ends up going up against Vader, who is taking personal glee in systematically massacring any and all scumbag aliens, criminals, and force sensitive children leaving nothing but carnage and sorrow in his wake?  Of course for it to be "great", it would have to be bordering on unrated because of language, violence, and sex, and in the end, Vader would win, violently beheading the would be hero at precisely the point where you thought he was about to save the day.  I would buy tickets to see it, particularly if they added in some snarky humor and enough bad-assery to satisfy any man's desire for virtual testosterone.

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« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2017, 04:06:37 pm »
I see ya'lls point and I tend to agree when it comes to ROTJ.  Many fanboys hate Jedi for the Ewoks, Death Star Retread, etc.  However for many years it was easily my favorite.  I loved the Tolkienesque crescendo to the climax where we get the duel, the space conflict, and the ground battle all intertwined.

Not to mention the imagery from the pre special edition Tatooine will always be iconic to me.  And like you I still scoff to this day when people call it out for being bad.

But if I may return my panties to a wad, I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade.   I just don't see it happening.

I like moments of ROTJ.... the last 30 minutes is amazing! The score alone is one of my favorites.


I think the problem with all of the new Star Wars movies is this.... Star Wars although tells us the story of a very large Galaxy... it is shown in an incredibly small way. And what I mean by that is the original Trilogy really only truly centered on a small group of people where half of them turned out to be related. If you stray to far from those movies today it doesn't seem like Star Wars (kind of like the prequels), but if you stay too close it's a duplicate (the Force Awakens). They have to walk a very fine line for audiences and I think Rogue One was one of the only Star Wars movies that dared to be something different. And i appreciate that. The next spin off is young Han solo and I think that is again playing it too close to the OT and no.... I don't care how Solo met Lando, and no I don't want to see how he got the Falcon. grrrrr  :banghead:
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« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2017, 04:10:25 pm »
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I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade.   I just don't see it happening.
I suppose it depends on your definition of a really great Star Wars movie.  One of the biggest elements that made 1977 Star Wars great was the special effects.  It defined a whole generation of films and started the most impactful special effects company of the century.  Judging on special effects and cinematics, we might already have a great Star Wars movie this decade.  Or perhaps you want to look at gross revenues.  There isn't a studio in the world who would turn down the success of the last two movies.

It's all relative, really.  Will a Star Wars movie ever win a major critical award?  No, it hasn't defined a generation of movies since the original trilogy.  Star Wars was never targeting the adult audience either, from the original to the latest to the special shows aired on TV over the years.  It targets a younger audience and always has, whether we like it or not.  In today's world, if you want high fantasy to tread new ground, it has to be gritty, shameless, hold nothing back, and be as adult as possible.  Neither Lucasfilm nor Disney has ever been known for pushing the boundaries of morality in film.

That being said, who here wouldn't want to see a pre-quel with the hero being a roguish smuggler type who isn't terribly bright but makes up for it with balls the size of the Millennium Falcon, enjoys carousing with the ladies at any hive of villainy and corruption, will do just about anything for money, and always shoots first, yet ends up going up against Vader, who is taking personal glee in systematically massacring any and all scumbag aliens, criminals, and force sensitive children leaving nothing but carnage and sorrow in his wake?  Of course for it to be "great", it would have to be bordering on unrated because of language, violence, and sex, and in the end, Vader would win, violently beheading the would be hero at precisely the point where you thought he was about to save the day.  I would buy tickets to see it, particularly if they added in some snarky humor and enough bad-assery to satisfy any man's desire for virtual testosterone.

yeah... you will never see that kind of movie made. Disney has to sell this to all ages. That's why these movies (and the Marvel movies) are cookie cutter/designed by a committee/paint by numbers type of movies. They could release the worst star wars movie every but it will still make a Billion dollars. It's just not going to happen I agree.
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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2017, 04:58:22 pm »
This was pretty neat... ending of Rogue One spliced to the beginning of A New Hope..

https://vimeo.com/209263699

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2017, 06:40:09 pm »
I've said it before, but I didn't know I was supposed to hate the Ewoks until I read on the internet that I was supposed to. I was ten years old when I first saw them, I was their target audience.

And I'm sorry, I've watched that scene of Darth Vader wreaking havok at the end of Rogue One at least three times in the last 12 hours. I love it. It's badass. Forget a Han Solo origin movie, I want to see a movie where Vader proves himself to the Emperor while snuffing out remaining Jedi.
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« Reply #135 on: March 22, 2017, 11:34:57 pm »
I want to see a movie where Vader proves himself to the Emperor while snuffing out remaining Jedi.

This.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #136 on: March 23, 2017, 10:51:16 am »
I think the problem with all of the new Star Wars movies is this.... Star Wars although tells us the story of a very large Galaxy... it is shown in an incredibly small way. And what I mean by that is the original Trilogy really only truly centered on a small group of people where half of them turned out to be related. If you stray to far from those movies today it doesn't seem like Star Wars (kind of like the prequels), but if you stay too close it's a duplicate (the Force Awakens).
But stories are about people.  The galaxy (far far away) is just the setting.  Nobody wants to see a movie (or read a fiction book) about a setting. Besides, the first movie incorporates 3 planets and a space station the size of a small moon.  That's pretty broad.  When you think Star Wars, you think about Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia, and Darth Vader.  But because the setting was so unique back then, it stuck in our minds.  That allowed the story to extend beyond those characters and still be "Star Wars", just like Star Trek was able to create so many spinoffs from the original.  But for some, without the original elements it just isn't the same.  Remove the Enterprise and Kirk and Spock from Star Trek and you lose a big chunk of the fan base.  Remove any of the popular characters from the first 3 SW films and you will likewise lose a lot of the audience. 

That being said, my favorite part of Rogue One was all the props that made it distinctly "Star Wars".  I didn't need the familiar characters.  I also enjoyed the extended universe and even the games that had nothing to do with the characters in the movies.  My biggest disappointment in Rogue One was probably the score.  I get why they didn't use the usual music, but seeing a movie for the first time and hearing that opening score takes me back to the late 70's and early 80's, and it is what sets the scene for a Star Wars film in my mind.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #137 on: March 23, 2017, 01:48:38 pm »
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Neither Lucasfilm nor Disney has ever been known for pushing the boundaries of morality in film
"Get the fiancee out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed"

The trolls plotting to disappear their foster son's romantic rival in Frozen was a welcome anamoly in the spirit of which you speak. Perhaps a little too dark, actually.

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Re: Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)
« Reply #138 on: March 23, 2017, 01:55:37 pm »
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But hell even I know that they made 2 maybe 3 great movies out of 8. That's like 37%
Given that 90% of everything is garbage, producing 37% non-garbage is beating the odds.

  
 

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