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Author Topic: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition  (Read 8107 times)

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Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« on: July 14, 2016, 10:39:13 am »


Nintendo is releasing a miniature NES with 30 built-in games

- comes with 30 games built in
- You can connect it to your TV via a HDMI cable
- includes a controller designed to work just like the original NES gamepad (The new controller will also connect to a Wii Remote)
- multiple suspend points
- available on November 11th for $59.99

One can only hope for an i/o port on this thing for *cough* future expansion.  ;)
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 11:51:14 am by vwalbridge »

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2016, 10:47:50 am »
Was just about to make a new thread after seeing this on PC World article - ( http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095790/hardware/nintendos-releasing-a-miniature-nes-console-packed-with-30-classic-games.html )

Interesting little device and for $60 seems to be a good deal - though it should include the 2nd controller rather than them hitting you up for an extra $10 for that.

And the game list is pretty good also and since it's an actual Nintendo release the games should play pretty much like the originals and through HDMI as well  - Wonder how long after release it will take for someone to make a MAME/RPi project out of it ! :dunno



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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2016, 10:56:51 am »
Be a lot cooler if it had a cartridge slot.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2016, 12:44:00 pm »
Be a lot cooler if it had a cartridge slot.
Agreed  :cheers:

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2016, 12:51:08 pm »
It seems to miss the point on a lot of stuff. 

The gamepad has the wii/wii u connector on the end, meaning that your old gamepads won't work.  There's no cart slot, ect ect...

My suggestion is to wait for it to come out and see if it's running actual NES hardware and/or if a cart slot can be hacked in.  Even with extensive soldering, this would be a good alternative to the costly nes rgb mods IF a cart slot can be added.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2016, 12:52:51 pm »
Probably dusty, unsold WiiU motherboards shoved in this thing running Virtual Console.

I highly doubt this will support additional games in any form.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2016, 12:55:33 pm »
More likely it would be dusty, unsold wii mini motherboards.  That thing bombed so hard they are still filling in the crater.  Yeah I can get a Wii with NGC and online support, or get the mini without that for the same price.... lol I hope they fired whoever came up with that one. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2016, 01:09:34 pm »
No cart slot/expansion slot? GTFO.

Although I read an article that said you COULD use original controllers.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2016, 01:14:00 pm »
Looking forward more to the AVS...
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2016, 01:36:50 pm »
LOL!  I just noticed, even this thing doesn't support Castlevania 3

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2016, 01:42:52 pm »
Although I read an article that said you COULD use original controllers.

Don't think so -- I think you read this section wrong :

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If you already have a Classic Controller or Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, you can use that controller instead of buying another one.

SO it can use the Wii classic controller which plugs into the wiimote not the original NES controllers.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2016, 01:43:33 pm »
Although I read an article that said you COULD use original controllers.

Don't think so -- I think you read this section wrong :

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If you already have a Classic Controller or Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, you can use that controller instead of buying another one.

SO it can use the Wii classic controller which plugs into the wiimote not the original NES controllers.
You may be right.  Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2016, 01:47:52 pm »
Only 30 games though? No battletoads no deal.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2016, 02:32:46 pm »
Yeah, only 14  of the games interest me.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2016, 03:06:31 pm »
You may be right.  Thanks for the clarification.

I read it the same way as you the first time but then looking at the pic of the system noticed it used the wii type connection and not the old NES style and didn't figure they'd include some type of adapter that would cost them a bit to include and also lose the extra $10 sale they can get for the second controller !  :cheers:

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2016, 03:30:25 pm »
Will be hard to justify when I own all but 5 games on the list. Maybe it will be hackable.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2016, 03:36:35 pm »
Will be hard to justify when I own all but 5 games on the list. Maybe it will be hackable.
I'd be interested if it gets hacked.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2016, 03:37:47 pm »
100% guaranteed this won't be hackable.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2016, 03:44:25 pm »
100% guaranteed this won't be hackable.
I'm in agreement with this statement.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2016, 04:00:49 pm »
Eh I dunno..... I mean the wii and wii u were hacked fairly easily.  It basically depends upon if it's possible to get at the OS or not. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2016, 04:04:34 pm »
I see this as more of a gimmick "toy" aimed at hipsters. I don't feel like they are going to put a whole lot of effort into protection for it.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2016, 05:11:27 pm »
Anything can be hacked. It might take a while... but nerds are always looking for the next challenge.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2016, 05:19:07 pm »
Enh.... if I want to play NES games that badly, I'll get an NES. I have a CRT, so I'm golden.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2016, 05:19:31 pm »
Eh, I think this is going to be more along the lines of one of those TV joysticks.  Small PCB with a big epoxy solder blob on it.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2016, 05:25:13 pm »
I got pretty excited when I heard the Atari Flashback 2 was hackable.... until I looked into it and saw a using an original Atari and a Harmony Cart was easier.

I get the "I love the challenge!!!1!!" mentality. I'm the same way. But I'm also at the point in my life/in this hobby where I'm not going to needlessly complicate things,  either. I'll live vicariously through you dudes.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2016, 05:55:29 pm »
Eh, I think this is going to be more along the lines of one of those TV joysticks.  Small PCB with a big epoxy solder blob on it.

It's HDMI, so I am guessing there will be a little more going on under the hood. I get what you are saying though. Even though demand on these things would skyrocket the minute they are known to be hackable, I doubt Nintendo would listen to that music.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2016, 06:32:55 pm »
Strangely enough, one of the easiest ways (aside from the pi or a pc of course) to play nes games with rgb is to mod a n64.  They have a pretty good nes emulator for it that works with all the flash carts. 

I was actually serious when I said that the console probably has wii mini guts.  A nes gamepad can be manufactured for around a dollar or less at this point.... so to use the needlessly complicated serial chip found in the wii/wii u doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless the console's pcb is already setup for it. 

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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2016, 09:27:41 pm »
Funny, I had never seen a Wii Mini before you guys mentioned them.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2016, 11:19:14 pm »
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine. 

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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2016, 11:28:20 pm »
I bet I get one of these NESes for Christmas.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2016, 12:05:21 am »
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine.
I'm already seeing them at goodwill and other thrift stores for 30 bucks

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2016, 12:13:08 am »
I already have a launch wii softmodded so got all the nes i need. tho not through hdmi but CRT or go home on classics
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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2016, 12:29:17 am »
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine.
I'm already seeing them at goodwill and other thrift stores for 30 bucks

I think it must be a regional thing... the only video game related thing I've ever got at ours is a plug n' play game, and a bad one at that.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2016, 11:27:59 am »
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine.
I'm already seeing them at goodwill and other thrift stores for 30 bucks

I think it must be a regional thing... the only video game related thing I've ever got at ours is a plug n' play game, and a bad one at that.
Man that sucks. They have a ps2, original xbox, gamecube, or a wii every time I go. I live in GA BTW.  They always charge 30 for a console and 20 for hand held.  ( most of the time it's just a wii or a Nds)

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2016, 11:33:00 am »
Did the hackers ever get the menu system cleaned up on the Wii? 

Drove me nuts that you had to navigate that thing by waving the remote.

It'd be nice if they could get it customized to the level of XBMC and CoinOps.....

My wife wants one of these mini-NES things.  Doesn't matter we've got 50 devices that can emulate the ROMs laying around the house.  Don't underestimate the appeal of plug and play.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2016, 12:18:36 pm »
Don't underestimate the appeal of plug and play.

+1 The average Joe is going to eat this thing up simply for this reason alone.

And $60 is a a deal. I know its not necessarily a fair comparison, but if you tried to collect all 30 of these games on eBay, you are going to be in it for well over $60.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2016, 12:22:01 pm »
Or get the multicart that's readily available at major internet retailers.... :D


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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2016, 12:33:56 pm »
Or add all the roms to your hacked Wii for $0 and go to town!
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2016, 02:04:15 pm »
Yeah I made tools a million years ago to properly inject roms, screenshot and all, into the official virtual console emulator.  It just becomes impractical if you want to put a whole set on there. 

pbj:  not sure what you mean man... you can navigate the wii menu via the classic controller or a sideways wiimote as well as via the pointer.  I think via the analog stick of a nunchuck as well.  It's always been that way afaik. 

I honestly don't think it's a bad value, for the record.  It's 60 dollars, so that's two bucks a game and that doesn't even include the cost of the unit or the gamepad.  They also managed, unlike most plug n play systems, to actually have a solid gamelist.  Sure I prefer some of those titles over others, but there isn't a single stinker on the list. 

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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2016, 02:35:15 pm »
It's entirely possible they corrected that.  My Wii is running some very old system menu because I didn't want to lose MP3 playback functionality... and I haven't turned it on in probably 5 years.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2016, 09:21:30 am »
Maybe a little off topic but what is best option to play nes games through HDMI port?  PC emu or wii u?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2016, 01:05:17 pm »
By "best" to you mean cheapest, easiest, or an objectively better experience?

If you already have a pc lying around you just need some 5 dollar usb gamepads and/or nes to usb adaptors and you are good to go, aside from having to download an emulator and a front end. 

The Wii U is easier, but NES games are 5 bucks a pop and they haven't even released as many Wii U virtual console games as they did on the original Wii. 

It should be noted that they sell Wii multi out to hdmi adaptors for as little as 3 dollars on eBay/Aliexpress, so the Wii might be the better option depending upon your situation. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2016, 03:08:39 pm »
By "best" to you mean cheapest, easiest, or an objectively better experience?

If you already have a pc lying around you just need some 5 dollar usb gamepads and/or nes to usb adaptors and you are good to go, aside from having to download an emulator and a front end. 

The Wii U is easier, but NES games are 5 bucks a pop and they haven't even released as many Wii U virtual console games as they did on the original Wii. 

It should be noted that they sell Wii multi out to hdmi adaptors for as little as 3 dollars on eBay/Aliexpress, so the Wii might be the better option depending upon your situation.
Don't forget you can softmod the wii channel the same way as the original  wii. And now put homebrew channel on the wii u menu as well. Haven't tried emulation on them so I can't speak for how good it is.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2016, 06:29:59 pm »
The emulator used on the wii is a damn fine one.  The problem is these nuts that equate sharp, blocky pixels to being "better" don't like it.  Nintendo decided to put just a hint of blur on the filter to make it look a bit softer.... like it would have back in the day, and some people hate that.  Also, the nes "flicker" caused by having too many sprites on the screen at once is in tact.  Again, this is 100% accurate, but some people don't care for it.  There are homebrew emulators available for both consoles of course that would alleviate these issues. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2016, 07:56:57 pm »
Back on topic, I decided to get myself one of these little guys.  It's at that price where it's totally acceptable to get it just for the sake of getting it.  It's kind of like my pirate carts... they are just fun to have. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2016, 08:19:03 pm »
Back on topic, I decided to get myself one of these little guys.  It's at that price where it's totally acceptable to get it just for the sake of getting it.  It's kind of like my pirate carts... they are just fun to have.
Take that bad boy apart when you get it. Let's see what's under the hood.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2016, 08:24:45 pm »
Back on topic, I decided to get myself one of these little guys.  It's at that price where it's totally acceptable to get it just for the sake of getting it.  It's kind of like my pirate carts... they are just fun to have.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2016, 10:40:51 pm »
I haven't ordered it yet... afaik it isn't available for pre order yet.  I'll probably get it at gamestop or Walmart ahead of time when it becomes available. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2016, 11:31:59 pm »
PlZ go back to reddit with that "little guy" stuff, but thank you for being the sacrificial wallet.

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« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2016, 06:26:31 am »
Can't wait to plug a KADE miniConsole+ on this thing and being able to not only using original NES pads with it plus original SNES pads too!  ::)

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2016, 09:42:17 am »
Conversely, it'd also be nice if we could cut the plug off them and use them on real hardware, or convert to USB.  I've yet to use an NES repro controller I thought was worth a damn.




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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2016, 10:27:11 am »
I've yet to use an NES repro controller I thought was worth a damn.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2016, 11:51:10 am »
For the record, that's not a nes repro gamepad.  That's a bastardization hybrid between a nes and snes gamepad.  Two buttons or GTFO!

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2016, 12:05:27 pm »
The price of that exceeds my interest in the endeavor.  With some scrubbing and a light sand papering of the contacts, I got my dog bone back to acceptable performance. 




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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2016, 12:11:11 pm »
That's a bastardization hybrid between a nes and snes gamepad.

You say that like it's a bad thing?  ;)

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2016, 12:12:59 pm »
dog bone

Worst NES pad ever made. Never understood the appeal of it. Button angle is so wrong.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2016, 03:51:45 pm »
That's a bastardization hybrid between a nes and snes gamepad.

You say that like it's a bad thing?  ;)

That's because it is.  It has the horrible ergonomics of the nes pad, only now with more buttons at odd angles.  If you are going to add that many buttons, it just makes more sense to go with a snes design, which I believe they also sell. 

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« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2016, 03:53:57 pm »
The price of that exceeds my interest in the endeavor.  With some scrubbing and a light sand papering of the contacts, I got my dog bone back to acceptable performance.

I saw a tip on this one guy's site that cleans/repairs old consoles to resell.  If you take the rubber contacts and rub them on typing paper until they stop leaving marks it does a remarkable job.  Unlike sanding, you don't have the risk of wearing down the contacts. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2016, 04:02:17 pm »
I'm sure that works but you're effectively sanding the contacts.....

Anyway, I like the dog bone.  Hurts my hands less.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2016, 04:48:58 pm »
I used my wife's nail file once to clean contacts on a game

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2016, 09:50:10 pm »
I'm sure that works but you're effectively sanding the contacts.....

Anyway, I like the dog bone.  Hurts my hands less.

Yes an extremely fine "sandpaper."  Finer than what you are going to be able to buy and therefore it's a better solution as it's less damaging to the pads.  I've used the technique on all of my old gamepads and it works great. 

I have no issues with the dog bone, but I've never had the nes pad hurt my hands either.  I think some of you guys must hold your gamepad in a death grip or something. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2016, 01:55:09 pm »
Nintendo just released this video promoting the NES Classic Edition:


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2016, 03:15:12 pm »
Awesome!  Too bad they ruined all the retro goodness with the modern music in the vid.  Also -10 for not getting the scary transformers narrator to do the tag line, but since I'm pretty sure he's dead I'll reduce that to a -5  (I could have done it. ;) )

I wished they would have shown a bit more in terms of the interface though... I'm not sure if that one bit was how the menu is going to look or what.  I've just got a feeling that it's going to be fairly trivial to solder something on and add games to this.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2016, 03:18:00 pm »
I've just got a feeling that it's going to be fairly trivial to solder something on and add games to this.

Here's hoping

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2016, 03:22:58 pm »
Tangential but not off topic - anybody ever try/have one of those AtGames Sega boxes that played 80 something different games, had wireless controllers, and played carts?  They're going for $60 but I read the sound was garbage.   

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2016, 03:54:59 pm »
Yeah I've got one.  They aren't all that great, but at the same time they aren't nearly as terrible as sega purists make them out to be.  The sound is different, but not horrible.  The model with the wireless gamepads is garbage as they are using IR to transmit the data (like your tv remote) so they don't work unless you are pointing the gamepad right at the unit.  Also flash carts and oddball "special" carts won't run on it.  That being said, you get 40 decent games (not 80... 40 of them are homebrew junk) for 30 bucks which isn't a bad deal. 

The thing is... no rgb out, so it isn't going to look that great on a modern tv.  Heck you don't even get stereo sound.  These things retail for around 30 bucks and a real genesis can be had for the same price.  So get a genesis, spend an extra 40 or so and get a flash cart for it. 

It's exactly the same deal with the atgames Atari and other similar units.  They are ok, but generally not up to the standards that us gaming nuts expect. 

The reason people are flipping over the NES mini is the hdmi out.  Since it takes costly, extreme, modifications to get rgb out of a nes this is a big deal. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2016, 04:37:03 pm »
I didn't see any scanlines!!! WTF??

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2016, 07:04:01 pm »
So get a genesis, spend an extra 40 or so and get a flash cart for it. 

Where are you shopping?  I'm seeing $80 and up for these things.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2016, 08:41:56 pm »
So get a genesis, spend an extra 40 or so and get a flash cart for it. 

Where are you shopping?  I'm seeing $80 and up for these things.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2016, 09:21:11 pm »
Yeah I've lived with my everdrive clone for a few months now... works great and I paid I think 42 bucks on amazon.com for it.  I liked it so much that I ordered another from the same seller for the n64.  It was a tad bit pricier but still not horrible.

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« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2016, 10:28:00 am »
Any type of menu on those things or is it just lists of ROM titles....


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2016, 12:04:37 pm »
It's just a list of files unfortunately.  I wanted to try and write/hack something a little better, but Krizz put some sort of bootleg check on the menu so I don't think I can update the OS safely. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2016, 08:30:44 pm »
I think for the novelty I'd pick this up for sure!
In Canada I think it will retail for $80 + 13% sales tax.

As said on here I probably have a dozen or so ways (systems, pc's, etc) that can emulate the NES.... but I still want it !
I just think it's neat.

However (also as mentioned here) I really like these SD Card Cart's. Such a cool way to use the original hardware.
I wanted to get one for my Genesis, but since it was the @Games version I did not.

The N64 one is the one I really want.

EDIT - I wonder if this would be available @ Bed Bath And Beyond. That is where I got the @Games stuff in the past.
It's good because they always have 20% off coupons.

Is it just me, or when word of this Mini NES was released was it not said to have 40 games ?
I could have sworn that is what I was told (or read). I thought I even saw a gameslist as such.

EDIT 2 - Do you guys think a SNES or N64 version would ever follow ?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2016, 12:58:17 am »
I think Nintendo is doing some very un Nintendo moves presently because the holiday season is coming up, the new Zelda isn't ready yet, and the NX won't be out until spring.  This little do-dad prints money for them so if we get another soley depends upon if they feel they need the added cash.  I could maybe see a snes, but a n64 is unlikely.  Just a gut feeling.

It's possible at one point the system was supposed to have more games.  Konami seems to have really offered up some strange choices, so my guess is those negotiations were tough. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2016, 07:16:31 pm »
A snes one would be cool. Not really interested in the Nes one, but I will probably eventually own one. I just hope the controls are better than the original nes. Let's face it, they weren't that great. And I'm talking about the actual button pressing not the shape.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2016, 01:08:42 pm »
A snes one would be cool. Not really interested in the Nes one, but I will probably eventually own one. I just hope the controls are better than the original nes. Let's face it, they weren't that great. And I'm talking about the actual button pressing not the shape.
I take that back about the Nes controller. I just cleaned up the board with some fine sandpaper this morning and it works great now. I guess I was just use to worn controllers.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2016, 01:13:12 pm »
I was going to say... it's the granddaddy of all modern controllers.  Mine was beat to death and it still worked pretty great.  Of course anytime I say anything positive about Nintendo somebody accuses me of being a fanboy. 

I just ordered a playstation.  That's got to count for something right?

On that note there are some very interesting methods to play backups on the original psx, so once it comes in Maybe I can try some of them out and add it to the sd card thread.  I'm not buying a psio though. ;)

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« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2016, 03:00:29 pm »
I was going to say... it's the granddaddy of all modern controllers.  Mine was beat to death and it still worked pretty great.  Of course anytime I say anything positive about Nintendo somebody accuses me of being a fanboy. 

I just ordered a playstation.  That's got to count for something right?

On that note there are some very interesting methods to play backups on the original psx, so once it comes in Maybe I can try some of them out and add it to the sd card thread.  I'm not buying a psio though. ;)
You could try this out:http://www.shopncsx.com/goldfinger.aspx

I found one for 10 bucks a while back but can't remember what website it was.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2016, 03:19:53 pm »
Sandpaper fixed my NES controllers right up.  Have had a hell of a time with my $12 multicart.

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« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2016, 12:44:18 pm »
I was going to say... it's the granddaddy of all modern controllers.  Mine was beat to death and it still worked pretty great.  Of course anytime I say anything positive about Nintendo somebody accuses me of being a fanboy. 

I just ordered a playstation.  That's got to count for something right?

On that note there are some very interesting methods to play backups on the original psx, so once it comes in Maybe I can try some of them out and add it to the sd card thread.  I'm not buying a psio though. ;)
You could try this out:http://www.shopncsx.com/goldfinger.aspx

I found one for 10 bucks a while back but can't remember what website it was.

Yeah there is a technique now where you take a cheat device and re-flash the firmware with a version called unirom.  Once flashed you no longer have to swap discs as the gameshark no longer requires a boot disc. 

There are some other methods as well and they become increasingly exotic.  It amazes me the lengths people go to on this.

I might try to make my own flash cart if I ever get the time and energy.  Some of these cheat devices were billed as dev kits.  If that is indeed true then there must have been a way to play games via streaming on the parallel port.  Replace the pc with an avr and you are already half there. 

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« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2016, 02:57:32 pm »



The Vectrex32 does that sort of thing.  Turns the Vectrex itself into basically an IO device and runs the Vectrex code on the cartridge.  Greatly expands the CPU and memory of the system and comes with a full IDE.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #81 on: September 30, 2016, 08:19:35 am »
Japan is getting their own version.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/29/nintendo-famicom-mini-japan/

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« Reply #82 on: September 30, 2016, 09:52:01 am »
Maybe it's just me, but I'm kinda hoping that someone with a Raspberry Pi plays one of these things, likes what they see, and comes up with a way to make something similar on our neglected Pis....


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« Reply #83 on: September 30, 2016, 10:15:08 am »
Maybe it's just me, but I'm kinda hoping that someone with a Raspberry Pi plays one of these things, likes what they see, and comes up with a way to make something similar on our neglected Pis....
Have you seen this? It's pretty awesome.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,151786.0.html

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« Reply #84 on: September 30, 2016, 10:25:23 am »
Yes, that takes care of the look but the front end experience on Pi is terrible.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
« Reply #85 on: September 30, 2016, 11:00:31 am »
If you watch the Japanese version video, they are actually giving quite a few hints about this thing:

1. They show the dashboard and how you will select a game.
2. They show how save-states work
3. They show what might be screen filters like "smooth" or "blocky"
4. Does anyone know Japanese? They briefly mention the USB port on the back...what's that for? ;)
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« Reply #86 on: September 30, 2016, 11:21:42 am »
USB port is for the power supply.

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« Reply #87 on: September 30, 2016, 11:23:45 am »
If you watch the Japanese version video, they are actually giving quite a few hints about this thing:

1. They show the dashboard and how you will select a game.
2. They show how save-states work
3. They show what might be screen filters like "smooth" or "blocky"
4. Does anyone know Japanese? They briefly mention the USB port on the back...what's that for? ;)

USB mini port is probably the Power supply connection (didn't see any other power input)

EDIT : Looks like PBJ got it posted before me and came to the same conclusion !

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« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2016, 11:24:49 am »

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2016, 01:43:42 pm »
So Kotaku just posted some additional information about the NES Classic.

The GOOD news:

- It will hold up to 4 different suspend points per game
- You’ll also be able to see the original NES manuals by scanning QR codes that appear on your screen. (This is a little strange)
- Each game will be playable in three display modes: CRT filter (scan-line effect), 4:3 (maintains the original aspect ratio), and Pixel Perfect (turns every pixel into a perfect square)

The BAD news:

- The controllers are wired, and the wires are very short (around 3ft  :dizzy:)
- In order to use save states or switch games, you have to hit the Reset button on the console. There’s no “home” button functionality on the controller.
- It's strictly an offline-only console. (We all pretty much knew this was coming tho)

And here is what the US interface will look like:



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« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2016, 10:39:53 am »
Doc says I can read and write normally now, so I'll chime in on this. 

Judging by the interface, save states and the crt filter, I was probably spot on in thinking that this is some recycled wii tech.  A famicom classic is also being released.... it's shaped like a mini famicom.  It's library and gui is slightly different, which makes me think that there must be some way to access the firmware on these boards as I seriously doubt they made a different motherboard for each unit.  If we are lucky they used the usb power port, which is often used to update firmware on devices like the xbox one gamepads.  IF that is true and IF the emulator is similar to those used on wii/wii u vc games, then it will be quite simple to swap out roms and only slightly more complicated to swap out textures.  I mean, I figured it out last time if that tells you how easy it was. 

Wouldn't you know that they start rolling out the pre-orders right after my surgery when I'm not allowed to read, so I missed that boat.  Hopefully I can get one at launch. 

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« Reply #91 on: November 04, 2016, 12:10:26 pm »

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #92 on: November 04, 2016, 05:33:01 pm »
He doesn't show the other side though.  It's about what I expected.... an onboard flash chip similar to the Wii, but I was hoping some easy to solder test points were on the thing.  Someone will eventually hack it though, it's just a matter of if it'll be too difficult for the average joe to do. 

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« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2016, 10:04:30 am »
Well this is going to be another nightmare to get like the wii.  Tried online last night... no dice.  I could have tried Walmart, but I think I'm officially too old to wait in line at midnight for a do-dad.  Eh.... we'll try this again next spring most likely. 

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« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2016, 10:28:10 am »
If you really want one, have your Amazon account and quick mouse finger ready to go.

Amazon is making them available at 2pm PT. A whole bunch of nerds will be hitting F5.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2016, 11:04:44 am »
Couple of my friends have been going to store after store trying to get one.... sold out everywhere instantly.


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« Reply #96 on: November 11, 2016, 11:47:29 am »
It dumbfounds me that Nintendo still can't figure out how many of an item to make.  Somebody in marketing needs fired.  I also can't fathom why they aren't selling things directly from their website.  I mean they have warehouses so it wouldn't cost them anything and they could keep whatever cut they normally give to the retailers. 

I know about the amazon sale (5pm est), but I've tried getting things from them before.... not optimistic. 

This isn't a must-have for me, so I can be patient.  3rd party controllers and accessories are already rolling out, so it might be best to wait for nyko to make a version with a longer cord and a home button....thus eliminating the two flaws of the unit.  There are some out already, but the buttons are arranged weird. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2016, 12:08:39 pm »
Well, the included games are a pile of crap, so I fully anticipate picking up one of these things barely used in January.


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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2016, 12:09:56 pm »
Well, the included games are a pile of crap

What lineup would PBJ have preferred?
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« Reply #99 on: November 11, 2016, 01:04:11 pm »
Yeah I mean it's some of the best games on the system, so I have no clue how someone could consider it a pile of crap unless they have really poor taste. 

Yeah super Mario bros, Metroid, Pacman, Contra and Castlevania.  What horrible games.

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« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2016, 05:12:29 pm »
Heh.  Started refreshing on amazon at 10 till 5.  At 5 on the dot the buy button came up.  I immediately clicked on it, and "your cart is empty" was the result.  They sold out THAT fast. 

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« Reply #101 on: November 11, 2016, 05:26:30 pm »
Heh.  Started refreshing on amazon at 10 till 5.  At 5 on the dot the buy button came up.  I immediately clicked on it, and "your cart is empty" was the result.  They sold out THAT fast.

Yep - can't understand why Nintendo would limit the supply so much - They knew it was going to sell quickly but they couldn't ship more units - will be interesting to see if the restock them before the christmas season or completely blow the chance to make some profit for the company.

I can see them doing this if it was just to build interest for the christmas sales ( figure if they are hard to get for a short time it might mean more interest for xmas) but if they fail to get enough out there by xmas I think they'll lose a lot of the sales they could have made on it as everyone will move to the next thing by then if they can't get these.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2016, 05:44:50 pm »
Heh, they've had 6 weeks to get the Pokemon Go Plus production up to snuff and can't manage that, either.


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« Reply #103 on: November 11, 2016, 06:48:10 pm »
Heh.  Started refreshing on amazon at 10 till 5.  At 5 on the dot the buy button came up.  I immediately clicked on it, and "your cart is empty" was the result.  They sold out THAT fast.

Yep - can't understand why Nintendo would limit the supply so much - They knew it was going to sell quickly but they couldn't ship more units - will be interesting to see if the restock them before the christmas season or completely blow the chance to make some profit for the company.

I can see them doing this if it was just to build interest for the christmas sales ( figure if they are hard to get for a short time it might mean more interest for xmas) but if they fail to get enough out there by xmas I think they'll lose a lot of the sales they could have made on it as everyone will move to the next thing by then if they can't get these.

They don't limit supply, that is a myth.  Lost sales aren't good for business even if it hypes up the product.  You want your supply to always meet demand.  Somebody is dropping the ball though because their marketing team should have alerted them months ago that there was a lot of interest and they should have been churning them out non-stop for the last few months.  After all, this is just a stop-gap do-dad to keep the company in sales until the switch comes out.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #104 on: November 12, 2016, 02:30:28 pm »
I kind of want one, but I don't exactly need one.

Let's face it, this is really geared toward casual nostalgia gamers.

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« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2016, 03:42:10 pm »
Yeah, I bet unfortunately a majority of the purchasers this weekend are ---uvulas--- looking to flip them for a profit. ---fudgesicle--- that noise.
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« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2016, 04:15:15 pm »
Yeah, I bet unfortunately a majority of the purchasers this weekend are ---uvulas--- looking to flip them for a profit. ---fudgesicle--- that noise.

According to Business insider Nintendo has already said they will be restocking soon and will have a supply of them being delivered to stores through out the holiday season and into next year ! (just hope they do it soon enough that those flippers get stuck with them.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES only a little smaller
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2016, 09:39:08 pm »
I think that this is a cool device...and I kinda want one...but only kinda.

I mean...we can all play these games and more on our TV's anyway...With a little effort we can even use a NES controller. So Is it worth $60 for us, who have the ability anyway? I'm torn with the idea and probably won't buy one until they are $20.

On the flip side of the argument. I bought a Jakks pack-man with 5 games for $15 and like it for its portability and ease of use. Perhaps I will come around.

I do still have a working NES so perhaps that has something to do with it.

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« Reply #108 on: November 13, 2016, 12:31:42 am »
No Home button on the controllers.  WTF were they thinking?


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« Reply #109 on: November 13, 2016, 09:00:03 am »
No Home button on the controllers.  WTF were they thinking?

They were probably trying to keep it with the retro experience the device was designed to emulate -- figure with the original games you had to go to the console and swap cartridges - so they figured going to the console to switch games would fit right in - besides the controller wire is only 3 ft. long so how far away is the console going to be anyway  :dunno  Any extensions used will probably be for the HDMI hookup to the TV and the console will sit on a table or similar right next to the players.

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« Reply #110 on: November 13, 2016, 09:11:26 am »
Today's tvs are huge and couches are further away. 3ft cord isn't cutting it. Unless like JDfan said, with the console close by. We are fat and old now and can't be bothered with walking up to the console to switch games. If just can't find my remote to my TV, I'm watching whatever it's on.

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« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2016, 09:31:03 am »
It really is ridiculous how short the cord is. Really dumb move by Nintendo. Can you even find the extension cables in stores right now?

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« Reply #112 on: November 13, 2016, 04:13:13 pm »
You can get extension cables, but they are 10 bucks, so it doubles the cost of the gamepad.  My guess is they had a bunch of nunchuck cables left over.  Ditto for the gamepad... they still had the NES molds in a warehouse somewhere and adding a button would require modifying the molds.  I saw a pic of the inside of the new gamepad and there are unused pins on the chip.  My guess is with a quick comparison to how a classic controller is wired, one could add a home button. 

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« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2016, 11:50:26 am »
I wouldn't be surprised if 8Bitdo is already working on a wireless adapter for the NES Classic.

It's a perfect opportunity for them.

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« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2016, 12:06:10 pm »
I wouldn't be surprised if 8Bitdo is already working on a wireless adapter for the NES Classic.

It's a perfect opportunity for them.

Nyko already released them @ $19.99 but currently out of stock also  :cheers:

(http://nyko.com/products/miniboss-for-nes-classic-edition)


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« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2016, 12:08:02 pm »
....and that is exactly what I would expect from Nyko.

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« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2016, 01:50:32 pm »
Yeah that's got to be one of the worst designs in a gamepad I've ever seen.  Note how the edges of the gamepad are raised and even though it's a rectangle, they put the buttons on a diagonal.

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« Reply #117 on: November 14, 2016, 02:11:45 pm »
Yeah that's got to be one of the worst designs in a gamepad I've ever seen.  Note how the edges of the gamepad are raised and even though it's a rectangle, they put the buttons on a diagonal.
I'm surprised they didn't angle the D-Pad. You know, to make it more comfortable for people's fat thumbs.
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« Reply #118 on: November 14, 2016, 11:06:42 pm »
What's it been?  A week?

http://hackaday.com/2016/11/13/linux-on-your-nes-classic-edition/

Yeah it's got serial pads, so as soon as someone figures out the file system I'll write tools like I did with the Wii.  At the very least the inferior Punch-out!! can be replaced with Mike Tyson's Punch-out!!  My guess would be it's difficult to add new games, but swapping out games could be possible. 

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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2016, 09:55:17 am »
Well, ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Now I want one.


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« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2016, 12:20:02 pm »
It's going to be a while before anything practical is possible.  Right now you have to solder on a serial cable to do anything useful.  You CAN gain access to the OS via the usb port, but what you can do atm is limited due to lack of info.  Most likely someone will have to gain full access via the serial port, figure out the commands for the usb connection, and then we can use the usb port for full access.  In the past at least, Nintendo has used nes roms pretty much as we find them on the internet.  Sometimes they are in this odd LZ compressed archive, but I have notes to all of that.  Images are a bit trickier, and I haven't kept up on that tbh.  That being said, they used a highly compact image format on the wii due to it's small ram size.  It might be that they have moved on to regular dds images or pngs at this point.

I would guestimate that it'll be late winter or early spring before it's cracked wide open and they should be back in stock by then.

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« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2016, 12:26:09 pm »
It's all of three wires, I think we can manage that.  :lol


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« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2016, 02:04:07 pm »
Sure but then you've got a stupid serial wire hanging out the back of the case and you have to mutilate it ect....

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« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2016, 03:12:39 pm »
You read it here first:

I predict Nintendo does the GameBoy Classic next.

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« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2016, 03:21:00 pm »
SNES with the same exact motherboard inside it is my guess.


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« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2016, 08:45:34 pm »
Yeah crt filters aside (that eats up processing power) that thing could probably do up to n64 level emulation without the least bit of strain.  It isn't the most powerful Linux all-in-one by any means, but it's a nice form factor, it runs silent and it's already geared towards gaming. 

It's going to be a neat little toy.

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« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2016, 12:03:55 pm »



It does beg the question "how many ways do we need to play the same games from 1988?"  Every time some device comes out, even when it is intended to play the old games, everybody salivates over hacking it so it can play the old games.  Is this really any better than any other similar device hacked to play on an HDTV?

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« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2016, 12:51:26 pm »
In short yes. 

1.  It's by Nintendo, so the build quality will be high.
2.  It looks like a NES, which is awesome.
3.  It's already designed with gameplay in mind.
4.  It's only 60 bucks, without having to buy bunches of add-ons to get it ready to play games (see # 3).


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« Reply #128 on: November 22, 2016, 10:34:25 pm »
Hey I found something for when they get them back in stock:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic

Instead of buying extension cables just buy this and use real NES gamepads.... problem solved!

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« Reply #129 on: November 22, 2016, 10:48:57 pm »
Hey I found something for when they get them back in stock:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic

Instead of buying extension cables just buy this and use real NES gamepads.... problem solved!

Saw those the other day and almost ordered it - Figure I have one of the Nes Advantage controllers that works well still and it has a nice long cable on it !

Also was thinking could just buy several feet of 18Ga 7 conductor wire (think it only has 6 connections but Lowes only has either 5 or 7 conductor alarm cable in bulk) for $0.60 a foot at Lowes and just splice - solder - shrink wrap the one that comes with it.

Ebay also has these Mayflash adapters that can be used for both Nes and Snes controllers for around $15

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« Reply #130 on: November 22, 2016, 11:02:22 pm »
Unless the serial port is the only way to hack it, I'm going to try not to mangle mine. 

That particular one you linked to is actually a famicom/super famicom adapter.  Sometimes it comes with the famicom2nes dongle and sometimes it doesn't. 

Has anyone saw news on the retrobit generations?  It's a cheap-knockoff of the nes classic, only with a bunch of games from different systems just thrown on the thing.  I mean there are Gameboy and cps2 arcade games on there... it's that odd. The gamepads look pretty crap as well BUT, they are usb gamepads and the system has a sd card slot.  So I'm curious if it'll be hacked because there is more potential there in terms of what you can run with the native interface.

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« Reply #131 on: November 22, 2016, 11:22:22 pm »
Unless the serial port is the only way to hack it, I'm going to try not to mangle mine. 

That particular one you linked to is actually a famicom/super famicom adapter.  Sometimes it comes with the famicom2nes dongle and sometimes it doesn't. 

Has anyone saw news on the retrobit generations?  It's a cheap-knockoff of the nes classic, only with a bunch of games from different systems just thrown on the thing.  I mean there are Gameboy and cps2 arcade games on there... it's that odd. The gamepads look pretty crap as well BUT, they are usb gamepads and the system has a sd card slot.  So I'm curious if it'll be hacked because there is more potential there in terms of what you can run with the native interface.

Your right -- that one does include the 9 pin to 7 pin adapter also
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« Reply #132 on: November 23, 2016, 12:21:54 am »
Retrobit Generations YouTube videos are an emotional roller coast.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #133 on: December 30, 2016, 01:01:10 pm »
Retrobit Generations YouTube videos are an emotional roller coast.

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It looks like a product that was horribly rushed. Terrible emulation, input lag, and one vertical game that displays strictly in horizontal (no setting to fix it). Sounds like they cannot even release a patch for this thing. Waste of money.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2017, 06:37:21 pm »


Yeah so as I predicted it was fairly simple to get extra games on the console.  This isn't the guy that did it, but the reddit discussion is mostly in Russian and translating it doesn't end well.  I have no clue if only 30 games were added due to a size limitation, or the modder just got tired of adding roms. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2017, 06:40:34 pm »
*Update*

Man the internet is fast.  Here are the instructions in English, and it's just a soft-mod, so no hardware hacking required. 

http://pastebin.com/af2RxZ6z

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #136 on: January 07, 2017, 12:24:46 am »
Thanks for the update.  Maybe some day Nintendo will make more of these.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #137 on: January 07, 2017, 02:10:23 am »
They're starting to trickle in.  Gamestop had some in a few days ago... of course I was afk when it happened.  :(

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #138 on: January 07, 2017, 03:18:09 am »
It does beg the question "how many ways do we need to play the same games from 1988?"  Every time some device comes out, even when it is intended to play the old games, everybody salivates over hacking it so it can play the old games.  Is this really any better than any other similar device hacked to play on an HDTV?
In short yes. 

1.  It's by Nintendo, so the build quality will be high.
2.  It looks like a NES, which is awesome.
3.  It's already designed with gameplay in mind.
4.  It's only 60 bucks, without having to buy bunches of add-ons to get it ready to play games (see # 3).


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(a) What Howard Casto said

(b) This:

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Manufacturers *need* to start commercially capitalizing on emulation, for a whole bunch of reasons.  Consider that the film industry is still selling millions of re-prints of old films for a few bucks each.  That's a good thing for everyone.  Gaming needs to follow the same path.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2017, 10:49:00 am »
Now if Nintendo would only start making more of them. I really thought shelves would be overflowing with them by now.

Makes me wonder if Nintendo realized how easy it was going to be to hack so they have halted production to correct the exploit on v1.1

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #141 on: January 07, 2017, 11:46:58 am »
Wait so can you add more than 30 games or not?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2017, 12:49:15 pm »
Wait so can you add more than 30 games or not?

Looks like YES -- How many extras has not been said but there is a couple of examples that show them with about 2x the games and the nice part is they get added to the default menu system as well !

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2017, 02:00:27 pm »
*bah*  my browser ate the page... disregard what I just said.  lilshawn's post about it being hacked a full day after I already posted that kind of threw me off as well.

I'm sure there is a physical limitation in regards to how many games can be added... only so much storage after all.  Then again it might just be a list limitation.  What I found interesting is that the exploit is using a game save yet you don't have to load said game save.  It makes me wonder how the unit handles saves. 
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2017, 02:19:47 pm »
According to reddit... the total size of the storage is 512mb and no one has ran into any kind of limitation yet.  So depending upon how much space is used by the jpgs, saves, meta data and emulator that potentially means a lot of games could be added. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2017, 03:50:15 pm »
I wonder if they can get rid of the images and all that to make a simple text based list to save room for more roms.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2017, 04:20:21 pm »
I wonder if they can get rid of the images and all that to make a simple text based list to save room for more roms.

THe images are really pretty small - one 140x204 image and 1 28x40

For example the files for 1943 are 220KB on disk (actual 208KB filesize) - ( desktop file 557Bytes, .nes file 128KB,large pic 76.1KB, small pic 3.31KB )

So deleting the pics wouldn't make for that many extra games available. Haven't been able to find any info on the number of games that can be added but seems to have room for at least around 100 games including the original 30 - which should be plenty (figure the added games can also be deleted if needing room for new ones if you do run out )

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #148 on: January 07, 2017, 04:24:45 pm »
100 games isn't bad though. Can't be more than 100 that are any good.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #149 on: January 07, 2017, 04:30:29 pm »
100 games isn't bad though. Can't be more than 100 that are any good.

though according to wikipedia there are a total of 713 known licensed game titles so narrowing it to 100 might be a challenge !

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #150 on: January 07, 2017, 04:41:30 pm »
151 cartridge pretty much nails it.  Delete the crap version of Punch Out from this, cull the 151 list, good to go.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #151 on: January 07, 2017, 09:48:50 pm »
Yeah it's a surprisingly good cart.  If they had only taken the time to use the NTSC English versions of the games. 

Nintendo's 30 is already a good list... imho to fill it out perfectly:

As mentioned fix punch out
Add all the Mega Mans, TMNT games, Contras, Double Dragons and Castlevanias
Tetris
Rad Racer
All the remaining Capcom and Konami games
All the Dragon Warriors
The remaining black box and silver box games. 
Replace Donkey Kong with that 3 in 1 rom with all the DK's on it to save space
Maybe some hidden gems like Little Sampson?
Super Dodge Ball (The rest of the RCR games aren't really that great)
Honestly I doubt that's even 100. 

*edit*

Like mentioned you could always rotate the games out once you get sick of them.  My *nix skills are virtually non-existent, but assuming I ever get my hands on one of these little buggers I would be more than willing to write an app that creates scripting to where you just drag n drop the roms.  We could make a little pack with all the images and cfg.desktop info pretty quickly with existing archives.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2017, 07:48:18 am »
Yeah it's a surprisingly good cart.  If they had only taken the time to use the NTSC English versions of the games. 

Nintendo's 30 is already a good list... imho to fill it out perfectly:

As mentioned fix punch out
Add all the Mega Mans, TMNT games, Contras, Double Dragons and Castlevanias
Tetris
Rad Racer
All the remaining Capcom and Konami games
All the Dragon Warriors
The remaining black box and silver box games. 
Replace Donkey Kong with that 3 in 1 rom with all the DK's on it to save space
Maybe some hidden gems like Little Sampson?
Super Dodge Ball (The rest of the RCR games aren't really that great)
Honestly I doubt that's even 100. 

*edit*

Like mentioned you could always rotate the games out once you get sick of them.  My *nix skills are virtually non-existent, but assuming I ever get my hands on one of these little buggers I would be more than willing to write an app that creates scripting to where you just drag n drop the roms.  We could make a little pack with all the images and cfg.desktop info pretty quickly with existing archives.

Gotta add battle toads and if you are looking for a gem, check out Conquest of the Crystal Palace.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2017, 08:48:33 am »
I really enjoyed the puzzle games. Solomons key, fire and ice, and the wizards and warriors games. Still don't know if I'd get one of these tho, I can play those Roms on so many other platforms. The nintendy form factor is nice but I don't have a classic console in the house period. Xbox on coinops was the closest I've come in years and that lasted less than a month before it was just taking up space and less than a year before I sold it.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2017, 12:53:43 pm »
looks like there is a correlation between the number of games installed and the number of saves you can have before getting an error -- every 2 saves takes up the space of 1 game added so if you get above 60 or so games you have to limit your saves to one or 2 slots per game rather than 4 and once you get to 90 or so you only have a couple saves for the entire system before you start getting errors as it runs out of space. So probably best to stay around 60+/- games and swap them out for others as wanted rather than adding 100 or so games !!

Breakdown shown on reddit here : ( https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5mrmgw/total_gamesave_countspace_issue_what_you_should/ )

which makes sense as to why they included 30 games with 4 save slots with the hardware specs of the unit ! ( as the break point for 4 saves per game would be 32 games ) - so once you put 65 games you are at the point of having 1 save slot per game - and for 2 slots per game you need to stay around 48 games.

So I'll probably narrow it down to 50 games in order to have a couple save slots for most games - ( figure a few games will not need saves leaving a few more than 2 slots for others) so should be a good number for safety and also enough variety in the games. Then can always sub out games every few months. )

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #155 on: January 08, 2017, 01:37:05 pm »
Eh, I figured as such, but for many games this really isn't an issue.  For every game like Metroid or Castlevania, which you need saves in this day and age there are dozens that don't, like Super Mario Bros., TMNTII, ect. 

So long as you aren't giving it as a gift to a non techie, I think most people really only need 4 saves total for the entire library.  After all, you only play one of the longer games at a time.... or at least I do. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #156 on: January 08, 2017, 02:02:57 pm »
Looks like the mad modding community is really on top of this one.  They've already wrote an app and streamlined the process.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #157 on: January 08, 2017, 03:39:20 pm »
Alright, now I want to see the thing running rom hacks.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #158 on: January 08, 2017, 04:12:46 pm »
I'm curious what would happen if you tried games that don't use traditional controllers like 4p games and zapper games.  Obviously they wouldn't be playable, but I'm wondering just how complete the emulator is.  The classic controllers work on it and have way more buttons, so would 4p games use the extra button slots for the other players?  Would zapper games have the trigger and light sensor switches hooked up to buttons?

I'm just thinking it would be kind of cool to hack a pad to make a multi-tap, ect...

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
« Reply #159 on: January 09, 2017, 10:43:29 am »
I'm curious what would happen if you tried games that don't use traditional controllers like 4p games and zapper games.  Obviously they wouldn't be playable, but I'm wondering just how complete the emulator is.  The classic controllers work on it and have way more buttons, so would 4p games use the extra button slots for the other players?  Would zapper games have the trigger and light sensor switches hooked up to buttons?

I'm just thinking it would be kind of cool to hack a pad to make a multi-tap, ect...

Along the same lines - it would be interesting to see if the emulator and front end on the mini could be copied off of the unit and installed on the rpi or similar device. Or since the USB  is hooked up for data transfer in Fel mode if it could be activated in regular mode to use as extra storage space using a thumbdrive to store the entire nes library.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #160 on: January 09, 2017, 10:59:45 am »
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for personally.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #161 on: January 09, 2017, 11:42:25 am »
Have they tried Castlevania 3 yet?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #162 on: January 09, 2017, 11:52:37 am »
Looks like some progress on hacking this thing.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/9/14211402/nes-classic-edition-hack

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #163 on: January 09, 2017, 12:25:21 pm »
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #165 on: January 09, 2017, 12:39:52 pm »
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FTFY

Dude, I was in the middle of tweaking it when you posted that. Patience.
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« Reply #166 on: January 09, 2017, 12:41:25 pm »
Getting back to my original image, this is what you guys sound like to me.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #167 on: January 09, 2017, 02:21:01 pm »
Go yell at clouds somewhere else, old man.


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« Reply #168 on: January 09, 2017, 03:02:06 pm »
Getting back to my original image, this is what you guys sound like to me.

To be fair Linux was developed by a Finnish guy, so it's commands sound like nonsense to nearly everyone.  Then again Unix is similar, so maybe that isn't a good excuse. 

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« Reply #169 on: January 09, 2017, 04:58:54 pm »
Alright, now I want to see the thing running rom hacks.
I thought you only play games off x-in-1 carts?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #170 on: January 09, 2017, 05:07:25 pm »
Oh look, it's Mr. I Only Run Official Carts on my $400 Upscaler.  Begone.



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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #171 on: January 09, 2017, 06:54:27 pm »
FYI it's a $300 upscaler, and I run games off a Powerpak.

But green isn't a good colour on you, James.  ;)

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« Reply #172 on: January 09, 2017, 07:28:38 pm »
FYI it's a $300 upscaler, and I run games off a Powerpak.

But green isn't a good colour on you, James.  ;)
Conversely, some dudes would be happy if they could get MAME running on their toaster...
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And some dudes want to put an NES Mini (JPN ver) in a classic Gameboy:
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« Reply #174 on: January 09, 2017, 09:47:44 pm »
That video of the famicom mini in the gameboy was wild.  I like the idea of hacking the software, adding all games, possibly adding support for 4 original controllers and putting it in a linux box with all the games. 

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« Reply #175 on: January 11, 2017, 03:28:47 pm »
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #176 on: January 11, 2017, 03:36:20 pm »
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #177 on: January 11, 2017, 04:26:48 pm »
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.

Try Mighty Final Fight! love that game. Im jelly you got one, I'll prolly snag one in like 2 years when no one wants it anymore.

Just downloaded to test for you and it works fine !! Hopefully they'll restock before they stop production - at $60 it's a nice little unit to play with (currently testing it with a 7" 5V display and 5v lion battery and it works well as a portable unit as well.)
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #178 on: January 11, 2017, 08:14:39 pm »
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.
Can you add a famicom game with expansion audio and see if the extra music channels are present?
Actually I wonder what mappers this thing supports...VRC6??

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
« Reply #179 on: January 11, 2017, 09:06:30 pm »
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.
Can you add a famicom game with expansion audio and see if the extra music channels are present?
Actually I wonder what mappers this thing supports...VRC6??

From cluster a few days ago in his release thread(maker of the hakchi2 tool) :
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Just added FDS support, version 2.05.
FDS BIOS not required, it's already present in NES Mini :)

Not real familiar with the famicom disk system - but from reading the thread on the hack it does have support for the FDS now - downloaded the super mario bros 2 fds japan rom and installed it and it runs fine - how can you tell if the extended audio channels are present - hooked it up to my TV and it sounds pretty good and is definitely different than the smb 2 that came installed on the unit but not sure how to verify what audio channels it is using. 
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #180 on: January 12, 2017, 12:59:21 am »
I usually use Castlevania III as a good comparison:


You can hear Akumaju Densetsu's music is more full and has a couple more instruments layered into the music.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #181 on: January 12, 2017, 01:06:45 am »
You can hear Akumaju Densetsu's music is more full and has a couple more instruments layered into the music.

I'll give them both a test tomorrow during the day and let you know.

Any others that could be tested - Just tried  Akumaju Densetsu and got an unsupported mapper error so don't think the nes mini emulator will work with it !
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #182 on: January 12, 2017, 04:19:36 am »
Any others that could be tested - Just tried  Akumaju Densetsu and got an unsupported mapper error so don't think the nes mini emulator will work with it !
Hmm if VRC6 isn't supported (Akumaju Dracula, Esper Dream 2, Madara), VRC7 is out of the question (Lagrange Point has a unique and awesome soundtrack using FM Synth).

Could you try a Namco 163 mapper game (King of Kings), and Sunsoft 5B (Gimmick!)?

I doubt any of these are supported though, but doesn't hurt to try. Gimmick! Is a seriously hard platformer that has some neat-o sound too.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #183 on: January 12, 2017, 09:45:31 am »
Good lord, THAT'S the emulation difference you people are always blathering about.... they sound 99% the same.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #184 on: January 12, 2017, 10:17:35 am »
Any others that could be tested - Just tried  Akumaju Densetsu and got an unsupported mapper error so don't think the nes mini emulator will work with it !
Hmm if VRC6 isn't supported (Akumaju Dracula, Esper Dream 2, Madara), VRC7 is out of the question (Lagrange Point has a unique and awesome soundtrack using FM Synth).

Could you try a Namco 163 mapper game (King of Kings), and Sunsoft 5B (Gimmick!)?

I doubt any of these are supported though, but doesn't hurt to try. Gimmick! Is a seriously hard platformer that has some neat-o sound too.

Looks like it doesn't support those (wonder if the Japanese version would (doubt it as they are probably both using the same emulator core) - seems they only included support for the mappers the units were going to have used or that might have been used. guess they figured adding support for third party mappers wasn't worth the effort if they were not going to be used - perhaps support for those could be added as time goes on but for now seems they do not have support )

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #185 on: January 12, 2017, 10:39:59 am »
there is apparently talks of some modified firmware to add some more mappers and patch some things. perhaps in the near future these games may work. People are going ham on hacking this system.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #186 on: January 12, 2017, 10:53:12 am »
Granted, your little hacker program is the one telling you it's incompatible.  Maybe worth shoving one onto the system anyway and seeing what happens?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #187 on: January 12, 2017, 10:56:43 am »
Yeah figured as much. Thanks for checking those out for us, JDFan.

Good lord, THAT'S the emulation difference you people are always blathering about.... they sound 99% the same.
Filthy composite casuals need not apply.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #188 on: January 12, 2017, 10:58:57 am »
Meh, it's a beloved family heirloom versus some rich boy toy you threw money at.  Congrats.  :)


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #189 on: January 12, 2017, 11:06:46 am »
Enjoy your those Chinese knockoff carts on your "family heirloom", your highness.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #190 on: January 12, 2017, 11:08:11 am »
I do, thanks. 

:cheers:


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #191 on: January 12, 2017, 11:15:23 am »
Anyways, back to the big-boy discussions, JDFan could you try one more game? Just Breed, it's an MMC5 mapper that Nintendo released. It's the mother of all mappers that supports 3 extra sound channels, and supports the largest rom sizes on the NES. A bunch of hackers are now converting games to MMC5 to expand the Roms for larger and more radical game changes/mods, but Nintendo originally used them for larger strategy games.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #192 on: January 12, 2017, 01:26:21 pm »
Anyways, back to the big-boy discussions, JDFan could you try one more game? Just Breed, it's an MMC5 mapper that Nintendo released. It's the mother of all mappers that supports 3 extra sound channels, and supports the largest rom sizes on the NES. A bunch of hackers are now converting games to MMC5 to expand the Roms for larger and more radical game changes/mods, but Nintendo originally used them for larger strategy games and of course an arcade port of Just Breed.

Using Just Breed (J) [T+Eng1.00_Stealth].nes rom it seems to work fine ! (guess they included it since it is a nintendo mapper and they may release something that uses it at some point so included it in the emulator. )
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #193 on: January 12, 2017, 04:14:20 pm »
Anyways, back to the big-boy discussions...

I just about spit my drink out with that line. 

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« Reply #194 on: January 12, 2017, 04:57:08 pm »
Using Just Breed (J) [T+Eng1.00_Stealth].nes rom it seems to work fine ! (guess they included it since it is a nintendo mapper and they may release something that uses it at some point so included it in the emulator. )
Nice! That's great. There is a lot of room for hackers these days to create some really interesting mods to games using MMC5 due to the larger rom sizes.
Glad to see that Just Breed works! Thanks.
Hopefully other mappers will be added by the hacking community, expansion audio is such a hidden gem for some games. I can't even play the US Castlevania III now, it just sounds so hollow.  Those extra layers of sound really fill out the music and epic tone of the game.





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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #195 on: January 12, 2017, 08:10:32 pm »
Granted, your little hacker program is the one telling you it's incompatible.  Maybe worth shoving one onto the system anyway and seeing what happens?

^This^

They probably tried one game with that mapper, it didn't work, and so they assumed they all don't work.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #196 on: January 12, 2017, 11:23:34 pm »
Finished putting together my Nintendo Emulator Cartridge with a pi zero today - just need to get the roms loaded - was ordering a pi3 to play with and they had the zero in stock for $5 so added it to the order.

Figure the whole thing cost about $30 - with the parts ordered from China ( was much cheaper to wait on the pieces - other than the pi zero from adafruit and the micro sd from Best Buy (way too many fakes out there to trust china on that !! )

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Repro cartridge - 6 pack for $14 ( $2.33 @ )                           $2.33
Micro USB to USB adapter 5 pack for $1.69 ( $0.34 @)            $0.34
4 Port USB hub                                                                     $0.99
Micro USB M/F extension                                                       $0.96
Mini HDMI M to HDMI F adapter                                             $1.63
Pi Zero (adafruit)                                                                  $5.00
2x SNES Game Controllers                                                     $5.51
32GB Microsd card                                                                $9.95

Total                                                                                  $26.71

Would have been $8.50 more for the adafruit shipping if not ordered with the rpi3 in same order which cost the same for shipping.

Had ordered the pieces before being able to get the mini from Walmart and then figured it could be used for the games the mini was missing but now that the hack is working  :dunno


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #197 on: January 13, 2017, 11:11:35 am »
That looks pretty sweet JDFan! How is the UI on the pi0? Can it boot directly into a frontend of some sort?

How does the NES classic compare to something like this? Or just an android tv box?

I mean we all have the capability to emulate and play the NES games if we want...yet there is lots of interest. What makes the Classic worth getting. Is it just convenience...plug and play?




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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #198 on: January 13, 2017, 12:09:09 pm »
That looks pretty sweet JDFan! How is the UI on the pi0? Can it boot directly into a frontend of some sort?

How does the NES classic compare to something like this? Or just an android tv box?

I mean we all have the capability to emulate and play the NES games if we want...yet there is lots of interest. What makes the Classic worth getting. Is it just convenience...plug and play?
Haven't finished setting it up yet but the pi's are very easy to set up with retropie and emulation station ( you just place the image on a sd disk on the PC - put it in the pi and turn it on and it expands the system and sets up the entire thing and boots directly into Emulation Station - then you just need to copy the roms to the proper emulator folder ( It will automatically load the emulators that have roms in their folders as you add roms so first boot just the retropie main screen shows with the various files to configure it.)

To add the roms you can either use your PC and connect to the pi ( once you set up the WiFi or internet connection) or use a thumbdrive ( on the pc just make a retropie folder - disconnect the thumbdrive and take it and plug into the pi - and once the Pi recognizes the device being plugged in it will auto setup a folder structure etc. - once that finishes you just remove the thumbdrive from the pi take it back to your PC and place the roms in the emulator folders - remove and take back to the Pi and it will auto copy the roms onto the pi. So pretty much an automated process at this point.

Main thing about the classic is it is an actual Nintendo product so is plug and play with a very simple front end and is pretty much bullet proof so kids and relatives can't mess the thing up ( so no after install phone calls for help ! ) Plus it looks just like the old system so brings back some memories for those that had them growing up. - Definitely needs an extension cable for the controller ( I got 2 6ft extensions from China for about $2 apiece )

The pi zero does pretty well also but takes a bit more setup and maintenance - and can also run older MAME games as well so they both have uses and do have some overlap depending on the use. ANd either one can be set up for around $40 - $60 so don't break the bank.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #199 on: January 13, 2017, 02:11:06 pm »
Yeah I think that one should be obvious.  People want the classic because it's an official Nintendo plug-n-play system.  That's a huge deal.  Companies that are still actively making hardware do NOT release pnp systems.  Also since it's hardware released by Nintendo, you know the quality is there.  It isn't an atgames piece of junk.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #200 on: January 26, 2017, 03:30:59 pm »
Just an FYI for those thinking about getting one of these eventually -- looks like the hacker that has been working on this has made it possible to load pretty much the entire NES library (minus a few unsupported mappers) onto the system - He set it up to use a folder system in order to get passed some of the system limits on the number of games it could handle. So far it seems to handle over 600 games with the save states and art etc.  :cheers:

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@ClusterM ClusterM released this 22 hours ago 3 commits to master since this release

    Folders/pages support! No more games limit. hakchi2 will automatically create folders and sort games alphabetically. Tested with 600+ ROMs. Everything working fine including savestates. You can select maximum games per page/folder but it's recommended to limit it to 30-35.

    Multistep uploading. NES Mini can't handle huge kernel with hundreds of ROMs. So hakchi2 will split it up and upload in sequence. Just follow onscreen instructions.

    Mass cover downloading. You can download covers for all games at once using first image on Google. You can find this feature in "File" menu.

    IPS patcher can enlarge ROMs now ("index out of bounds" bug fixed).

    New patches for problem games.

    New confirmed mapper - 86. Also games with mappers 88, 95 and 206 will be patched automatically.

    Global command line arguments. You can add some argument(s) for all games at once, including original ones. For example: add "--ppu-palette=2" to make all games black and white.

    Support for ZIP, 7z and RAR archives. You don't need unpack every ROM now.

    Support for some bad ROMs with invalid size.

    Full Famicom Mini support: Japanese font and customizable original games list (thanks to xsnake!)

    Autofire! Enable it via menu, hold Select+A/B for a second to enable autofire on A/B. Also X/Y buttons on classic controller will act as autofire A/B.

    Start button simulation for second controller. Hold Up+A+B to press Start. It's workaround for some USA games on Famicom Mini. Don't forget to enable it via menu.

    Option to disable menu music.

    Minor design fixes.

    Other minor improvements.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #201 on: January 26, 2017, 03:37:41 pm »
Wow.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #202 on: January 26, 2017, 03:51:38 pm »
still want one, still cant find one.

Call your local Toysrus - People have been saying they all got a shipment last night so most stores have them. Also I picked up a second one at walmart last week at 11am. was shopping and happened to check the electronics dept and they had the one they had received with that nights delivery in the case (the employee said she told a few people they didn't have one after I pointed it out to her in the case !! ) Figured it was almost cheaper to buy the second system than pay for a second OEM controller (which you still can't find since release) for playing 2 player.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #203 on: January 26, 2017, 04:23:03 pm »
Hm... Astrodome Gamestop had all the accessories but no systems when I checked 3 weeks ago... employee told me they were hiding them in the back because they were getting stolen.




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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2017, 07:18:50 pm »
They've been on sale online a few times this week as well... large enough quantities to where they stay in stock for a half hour or so.. always when I've been afk *grumble*  I guess I'll have to do like a millennial and strap my phone to my person 24/7. 

The new fixes are mighty impressive.  Somebody needs to add wiimote support for lightgun games.  The i2c connection that wiimotes use is bi-directional, so a cable plugged from the extension port to the console could potentially read the data off the wiimote in leu of a Bluetooth connection. 

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« Reply #205 on: January 26, 2017, 09:32:30 pm »
What site are you using to monitor stock?  I'm glued to a PC 10 hours a day.

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« Reply #206 on: January 26, 2017, 09:52:51 pm »
What site are you using to monitor stock?  I'm glued to a PC 10 hours a day.

Brickseek tracks fairly reliably for Target and Walmart

http://brickseek.com/target-inventory-checker/?sku=207-29-0180
http://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker/?sku=54043501

For target they usually update after closing time (after 10 or 11pm) and do not sell them until after opening the next AM.

And the reddit minines thread usually gets a post or 2 when some store gets stock for online sale within a minute or 2 of it opening - https://www.reddit.com/r/minines/
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #207 on: January 26, 2017, 11:01:42 pm »
^This^

Also if you just use google to search for "nes classic" and used advanced search to only show articles within the last 24hours there is usually an article of upcoming shipments and/or a shipment you missed. 

The most recent big one was gamestop.  They got some in stock online bundled with a wireless controller for ~70 bucks. 

My toys r us might still have some, but they are such a-holes that they won't tell you if they have any in stock... you pretty much have to show up.  I'm about 40 min away, so forget those guys.

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« Reply #208 on: January 26, 2017, 11:13:13 pm »
I used the now in stock site also the fact it's been hacked now you can add at least 30 games or more but the more that have game covers the less it will hold


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« Reply #209 on: January 26, 2017, 11:45:49 pm »
I used the now in stock site also the fact it's been hacked now you can add at least 30 games or more but the more that have game covers the less it will hold


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Actually the latest release fixes that it can now hold 600+ games with 4 saves per game and artwork for all of them -- the problem before was the way the data lists were allocated - he has now changed it a bit so that the games are kept in folders so for example you can have 20 folders with 30 games in each and they can all be stored on the system and all have the original 4 save slots - So no more limit on the number of games other than the 300MB+/- of RAM the system has available and the roms for NES games are tiny so 300MB is almost the entire romset !

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #210 on: January 27, 2017, 12:38:53 am »
Got a headache reading this.

But i like the idea of having the classic playing all the classics. Is it easy for an idiot like me to set up?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #211 on: January 27, 2017, 01:59:57 am »
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

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« Reply #212 on: January 27, 2017, 02:31:39 am »
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

Seriously??

This is 60 bucks, you plug it into the tv and you are done. 

If you don't already have a NES it's going to be about 60 to get one, you might need to get new gamepads, the 100 dollar N8, and you'll still end up with a setup with a primitive menu system and av out at best that requires you to locate your own roms. 

Also all that stuff I mentioned above, your mom or your non-gamer friend probably can't do all of that.  They can buy a do-dad and plug it into their tv though.

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« Reply #213 on: January 27, 2017, 10:28:59 am »
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

AS Howard points out to do this is going to cost you much more than the $60 - plus with the classic even if you add the extra games to it - it remains a stable product that is just plug and play so your non tech savy friends and family can use it without the chance to muck things up.

I do wish they had included an audio jack on this thing though (so it could be used with a monitor that doesn't have built in speakers or HDMI port and still have audio )

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #214 on: January 27, 2017, 01:46:55 pm »
Well I do as well.  I think even with the popularity of this thing Nintendo releasing a retro console like this is always going to be a rarity.  No other hardware manufacturer is willing to do throwbacks like this.  Most of the stuff Nintendo makes is rock solid and this is a really cool collectable.  Put your mini nes next to your mini rob amiibo and you've got a sweet looking nick-nack.  The fact that it'll easily let me play virtually the entire library is a nice bonus.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #215 on: January 27, 2017, 01:47:13 pm »
Yes, yes, we all want one.  We've covered that.  Thanks.




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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #216 on: January 27, 2017, 01:52:00 pm »
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

And why would you want to spend $200 on an original console and EverDrive when you could just build an emulator using a $10 rpi zero or free hand me down PC system ??

Figure there are all kinds of alternatives available and the more that are out there the better for everyone and a $60 system that allows anyone to just plug in a couple wires and play fills that spot for a lot of people so of course there is a lot of demand for it.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #217 on: January 27, 2017, 02:55:43 pm »
I got one at toys r us yesterday at about 11:30 am. They had one left. I'd say it's getting easier to find them if you know what day stores get stock in. I wasn't going to wait in line for it.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #218 on: January 27, 2017, 03:30:24 pm »
I think once we get well into Feb. these are going to be a lot easier to get.  They'll want to unload as many as possible so they can ramp up production for the switch. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #219 on: January 29, 2017, 10:38:40 am »
Missed out on the launch day but was lucky enough to pick up 2 NES Classics with extension cables from ToysRus last week. Also had a friend of mine help me put together a pi zero inside a Friday the 13th NES cartridge. Will try and add some games next week, unless Nintendo has updated these newly shipped consoles to stop the hack.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #220 on: January 29, 2017, 10:41:29 am »
There's nothing like playing on an official Nintendo NES controller, feels like the originals.
Oh and here's a quick pic of my Mini SNES Pi3 case next to the NES Classic.

 :cheers:


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #221 on: February 09, 2017, 11:59:06 am »
I had one in my cart at Best buy...$68 after tax. Had second thoughts and downloaded the top 100 NES roms to play on my other devices.

I can spend zero $$ and play using a wireless controller from my couch.  :dunno

Don't get me wrong, I still want one but since I won't play the games after the first 5 minutes anyway. This way I can get my retro fix and if I still am into it I can suggest it as a good gift idea for me to non techy family members.

I wonder if you could cram an ITX motherboard or other PC solution? (Something more powerful than an R-Pi that would run windows)
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #222 on: February 09, 2017, 12:47:34 pm »
So, my innermost hopes on this thing are that they either yank the OS and get it running on another device, or that it inspires someone to make a Pi environment that operates similarly. 

Yes, yes, we were emulating NES 20 years ago on our 386s, but those didn't boot in 5 seconds.

Emulation Station has got to go.  That 'good enough' pile of crap has held back 'the scene' a good 2-3 years.



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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #223 on: February 09, 2017, 02:05:15 pm »
I pretty much forgot about these after not being able to find one, and buying an original with an everdrive. I have since modded the Wii U, bought a PS4 and PSVR, and preordered the Switch, so I think this one is off of my radar now. If they release a SNES version, I will get it for my wife. She doesn't want to use the SNES and Everdrive in the garage, so the mini would work out well.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #224 on: February 09, 2017, 02:48:32 pm »
Done anything particularly fun with the WiiU? 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #225 on: February 09, 2017, 05:20:45 pm »
So, my innermost hopes on this thing are that they either yank the OS and get it running on another device, or that it inspires someone to make a Pi environment that operates similarly. 

Yes, yes, we were emulating NES 20 years ago on our 386s, but those didn't boot in 5 seconds.

Emulation Station has got to go.  That 'good enough' pile of crap has held back 'the scene' a good 2-3 years.

Well the OS is a modified version of Linux.  The frontend we see afaik is just an app.  As per the Linux license agreement, all the non-Nintendo stuff is open source and posted, which is how it was hacked so easily... they had to post the "exploit" themselves.  I don't think it would be terribly hard to make a version of the app or add other emulators.  I can't do it though.... my Linux skillz are virtually non-existent. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #226 on: February 10, 2017, 04:19:12 pm »
Done anything particularly fun with the WiiU?

I had fun modding the Wii U. There is a certain amount of enjoyment to be had downloading the games from Nintendo's own servers. I still can't believe that is a thing. lol
I haven't done much with it since getting it all set up though. I played a few games, but I was pretty quickly put off by all of the overly kid focused music and sound effects. It was driving me crazy after about 2 weeks. I bought a PS4 Pro to get some more adult content. I haven't turned on the Wii U since then.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #227 on: February 10, 2017, 09:26:52 pm »
I'm not sure what was meant about that comment.  Apparently happy is now childish.  Myself I can use all the happy I can get. 

Anyway.......Yeah so this happened:

http://mashable.com/2017/02/10/nes-console-hack/#1IzNvrFxHqq3

retro arch can be loaded as a game in the interface now.  Seems to handle 8 and 16 bit games fine. 

Now if people can wise up and realize that nobody wants to use retro-arch's interface and create direct shortcuts to game we are golden. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #228 on: February 10, 2017, 10:15:45 pm »
Now if people can wise up and realize that nobody wants to use retro-arch's interface and create direct shortcuts to game we are golden.

 :cheers:

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #229 on: February 11, 2017, 12:18:25 am »
Definitely coming along.  They are gonna have to figure out a storage solution soon.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #230 on: February 11, 2017, 07:47:56 am »
Storage should be easy.  The thing has usb and it runs on Linux... a usb y-cable to supply power with one fork and hook up a usb stick with the other would work.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #231 on: March 14, 2017, 10:19:44 am »
Bought one off Craigslist last night.  Has over 700 games on it.  Pretty cool.  But also pretty overwhelming with so many games.  Even after reading about, I didn't realize how small it was!

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #232 on: March 14, 2017, 10:39:12 am »
So the hobbyists did the same ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- they always do.  The first few releases expand the functionality and maintain the feel.  Then comes the diarrhea torrent of making everything in the world work on the system, user experience be damned.  I'm reading about workarounds to get Genesis games working on an NES controller... are these people even serious?


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #233 on: March 14, 2017, 02:19:57 pm »
Here's how to get it to work... plug in a classic controller and stop being stupid. 

Yeah just because you can put everything on it doesn't mean you should.  Myself I want only the good NES games on there and I think some select master system and tg16 games would be nice, seeing as how they actually have a compatible control scheme.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #234 on: March 15, 2017, 09:59:12 am »
Here's how to get it to work... plug in a classic controller and stop being stupid. 

Yeah just because you can put everything on it doesn't mean you should.  Myself I want only the good NES games on there and I think some select master system and tg16 games would be nice, seeing as how they actually have a compatible control scheme.

you need an adaptor to use the original NES controller, right?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #235 on: March 15, 2017, 11:06:32 am »
you need an adaptor to use the original NES controller, right?

Yes - you need a NES to Wii adapter if you want to use an original NES controller.
Hyperkin has on for about $12 ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hyperkin-NES-Controller-to-NES-Classic-Mini-WiiU-or-Wii-Adapter-/152470253510?hash=item237fef6fc6:g:gTIAAOSwopRYkctM )

He was talking about th Wii classic controller !
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #236 on: March 15, 2017, 01:05:52 pm »
You shouldn't have to explain that man.  How would replacing a controller with an identical controller, both of which only have two buttons instead of the needed three be a solution?  I even said classic controller, which is the name of the gamepad.  Common sense people.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #237 on: March 15, 2017, 04:48:38 pm »
You shouldn't have to explain that man.  How would replacing a controller with an identical controller, both of which only have two buttons instead of the needed three be a solution?  I even said classic controller, which is the name of the gamepad.  Common sense people.

no need to be a ---meecrob---.  I know NOTHING about the the terrible Wii U.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #238 on: March 15, 2017, 06:59:05 pm »
It's hacked in 10 minutes and Zelda and Super Mario Maker are legit.

 :dunno

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #239 on: March 15, 2017, 07:11:04 pm »
Dont forget paper mario and super mario 3d world. A shortage of titles yes, but a solid console.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #240 on: March 15, 2017, 07:19:10 pm »
in --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- hacked to run SNES games.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #241 on: March 16, 2017, 10:24:21 am »
It's hacked in 10 minutes and Zelda and Super Mario Maker are legit.

 :dunno

I would just get a Switch now though...

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #242 on: March 20, 2017, 10:48:23 am »
So I keep reading that Nintendo ceased production of these and that Wal-Mart clearanced them out.   :-[

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #243 on: March 20, 2017, 11:58:40 am »
So I keep reading that Nintendo ceased production of these and that Wal-Mart clearanced them out.   :-[
Source?
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #244 on: March 20, 2017, 12:05:29 pm »
The price on the unit and all accessories has been dropping on walmart.com.  It was $37 for 5 minutes this morning.

The "ceased production" crap is just people speculating on reddit, but I've asked at a few stores in Houston and NONE of them have gotten any stock besides the first handful in November.




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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #245 on: March 20, 2017, 05:28:47 pm »
Nintendo says they are still making them and it's still advertised on their site.  I believe the same company that makes them is also making the switch, so it could just be that they have shifted production to those extra Switches they need (they are already exceeding their monthly goal). 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #246 on: March 24, 2017, 12:11:29 am »
So wtf?  This damn thing came out in Nov.  I've been checking the sites pretty regularly and with the exception of a few random shipments to best buy's online site I haven't seen any stock. 

Do you think they are hoarding them for Easter?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #247 on: March 24, 2017, 12:26:31 am »
So wtf?  This damn thing came out in Nov.  I've been checking the sites pretty regularly and with the exception of a few random shipments to best buy's online site I haven't seen any stock. 

Do you think they are hoarding them for Easter?

Think they just didn't think the demand would be there and figured it was a filler for a few quick bucks during the holiday season since the Switch wasn't ready - then when it launched it was too late to catch up ( figure they had already planned one restock after the initial shipment which is what we've seen as the one restock since) and then they had already moved focus to the switch. Whether they'll have a second restock wave or just move on to a new item (ie. a SNES mini for next holiday) is still to be seen.

Then the scalpers tying up the limited stock didn't help either with the thousands of units they held up in the sales channel and made online inventory sell out in minutes so that retail inventory never even made it onto th shelves since employees bought them (or stole them) to resell at inflated prices also. 
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #248 on: March 24, 2017, 03:09:08 pm »
Only explination I can think of is that Switch is a bigger money maker and nintendo wants to focus on that for now.    The discontinued thing is what retailers say when they dont show a new stock coming in soon.  I was at total wine recently looking for a hard to find beer.  The computer did not show any more stock being delivered so guy checking for me told me it must be discontinued.  In fact it was not discontinued and i got another pack just down the street.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #249 on: March 24, 2017, 03:11:36 pm »
Eh, well, when all your major online vendors don't even have a product page for it....


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #250 on: March 24, 2017, 04:11:58 pm »
It was my understanding that they took down the product pages because the sites were getting hammered too hard by people constantly checking. 

You go to Nintendo's page and they still have all the vendors listed, but they've removed the links.  So I don't know what is going on. 

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« Reply #251 on: March 24, 2017, 07:19:59 pm »
It was my understanding that they took down the product pages because the sites were getting hammered too hard by people constantly checking. 

You go to Nintendo's page and they still have all the vendors listed, but they've removed the links.  So I don't know what is going on.

It's surprising that they haven't said one way or the other what is going on with them - you'd think Nintendo would at least release an update whether more are on the way or not.

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« Reply #252 on: March 25, 2017, 07:05:19 pm »
Maybe that's it.  Maybe they aren't sure if they are going to continue production or not.  I mean the switch is doing really well, so they don't need the money.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #253 on: March 29, 2017, 10:27:31 pm »
Best buy got a shippment today.  So probably not done yet.

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« Reply #254 on: April 07, 2017, 11:03:06 pm »
Looks like Walmart is getting a restock - 4 of the stores near me are showing 6 in stock tonight - anyone that is still looking might want to check brickseek and see if their local stores got any !

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #255 on: April 07, 2017, 11:19:52 pm »
Holy crap you are right!  March 7th.... what a completely random time to get them in. 

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« Reply #256 on: April 08, 2017, 12:25:43 pm »
Finally got one.  I owe you one JDFan. 

I'll order one of those wireless gamepads I mentioned a while ago to see if they are any good. 

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« Reply #257 on: April 08, 2017, 12:42:14 pm »
Finally got one.  I owe you one JDFan. 

I'll order one of those wireless gamepads I mentioned a while ago to see if they are any good.

 :cheers:

Glad to hear - the stores here all sold out a bit after the night crew finished - not sure if that was from the employees buying them after their shifts ended or if customers actually saw them this time ! ( noticed a couple stores went down a bit during the night but a couple others stayed at 6 until just about the time the shifts would be changing.)

Were they in the display case in the store you got yours at or did you have an employee find it for you ?
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #258 on: April 08, 2017, 05:06:30 pm »
They put them in the wrong display area.... they were with the Wii U stuff.  Mom inexplicably wanted one, so we got 2 out of the last three.  This store got 7 in and they held that amount until this morning.  Around 10 to 11 was when they sold them all.... I guess people didn't want to get up early on a Saturday.

Most of the stores here got one or two at least.  I believe they are all sold out now.  With a nationwide push like that it makes me think the shortages might finally be coming to an end.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #259 on: April 08, 2017, 05:58:29 pm »
Awesome! 

Tons of cheap accessories on Ali Express.  I've pondered ordering them now so they're here when I finally get the NES.

Kinda surprised it hasn't been cloned yet.


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« Reply #260 on: April 08, 2017, 08:42:42 pm »
Most of the stores here got one or two at least.  I believe they are all sold out now.  With a nationwide push like that it makes me think the shortages might finally be coming to an end.

Just checked Brickseek again and the 2 local stores that did not get them yesterday are now showing 18 at 1 store and 12 at the other ( and the others are all sold out of the 6 they all got ) - so you might be right (or they might be out again after these sell for another 2 months  :dunno )

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #261 on: April 08, 2017, 10:21:08 pm »
Yeah Aliexpress is where I'll order some stuff. 

I've been battling with migraines this week but I played it for a few min this evening.  The interface is slick and well designed.  Emulation seems to be really good, but it isn't perfect.... I noticed the slightest bit of screen tearing with filters on and fast screen scrolling.  The gamepad is spot on excluding the short cable.  I had one of my childhood pads I held for comparison... aside from the fact that it isn't as worn out I couldn't really tell much difference.  Btw the crt filter is pretty decent.  No it isn't terribly accurate, but it is a good approximation if you don't like things all pixelated. 

But you know nit picks aside it boots in 5 seconds, it plays the games and it has hdmi out so they don't look like interlaced crap.  Close enough if you ask me.   

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #262 on: April 09, 2017, 01:00:22 am »
Yeah, yeah, keep rubbing it in.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #263 on: April 09, 2017, 02:42:36 pm »
Yeah, yeah, keep rubbing it in.
Get enough surveys in an you will might have enough amazon money to buy one when they are in full stock online.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #264 on: April 09, 2017, 03:09:49 pm »
Son, I'm sitting on $250 in Amazon, I'm good to go.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #265 on: April 10, 2017, 10:32:40 pm »
So I modded it this morning.  The process is fairly painless and it looks like there are retroarch modules from the 2600 all the way up to the playstation.  I've got to wonder what the point of psx and sega cd emulation is considering you only have 300 mb of space.  I haven't put on any extra games yet as I'm going through the 30 included just for the hell of it.  (Even though I've played and beaten most of them countless times.) 

When I do I'm going to put sensible titles on there.... strictly turbo grafx, Gameboy, 7800, ect.  You know, stuff that works with just a d-pad and two buttons. 

Also ben heck took apart a gamepad on his show recently and as I suspected, they use the classic controller chip and just don't connect the extra buttons.  So you could add a home button, but I'm not sure what the point would be with the new hacks. 

I hope my controller extensions come in soon.... it sucks to play with it on my belly.  It looks like I've given up on life or something. 

I've got to think that if they figure out external storage and the shortage ever ends this little guy could become the go to emulation box.  It has a great, skinnable, gui, it boots quickly and it is easy to add more emulators and games. 

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« Reply #266 on: April 10, 2017, 11:40:37 pm »
I hope my controller extensions come in soon.... it sucks to play with it on my belly.  It looks like I've given up on life or something.

Yeah not sure what the designer was thinking when he came up with the controller cable length !


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #267 on: April 11, 2017, 12:01:25 am »
Try out one of those SNES controllers meant for the Wii... If that'll work, it pretty much covers everything.

Surely Nintendo would release their own SNES version of this console...


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES NES Classic Edition
« Reply #268 on: April 11, 2017, 12:41:57 pm »
Yeah all the wii/wii u style gamepads use the classic controller chip and the nes classic can read all of those buttons.  While the nes games don't really take advantage of them (except the home button) all the third party emulators do and some of the firmware hacks allow the x/y buttons to act as turbo a/b, ect. 

Those controllers use I2C as a protocol, so I don't think it would be terribly hard to spoof one with an Arduino or similar avr.  So an adapter box for the more unique gamepads like the genesis and Atari wouldn't be out of the question.  Hell someone could probably make a HID 2 I2C adapter. 

Myself, I don't really want to use it for consoles that I have alternatives for.  I've got everdrives for the genesis (which covers the master system as well), n64 and snes.  A lot of consoles just have controller layouts that don't work well with the gamepads currently available for the system and it is less hassle for me to just pull out the original console and use it instead.  Plus, until they get the storage issue sorted, most libraries won't fit on it.


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« Reply #269 on: April 11, 2017, 04:12:52 pm »
Thanks for the Walmart tip.  I went to one walmart today that said there was 7 and I asked a guy working in electronics who said he had not seen them in a while.  I went to another walmart and asked.  The guy said oh yeah we have them in the back.  Manager got me one, which he said was the last one. 

The guy at Walmart said they stopped displaying them so that they could display the switch. They just keep the nes classics in the back. This walmart also had 2-3 switch consoles on had.

Thanks for the tip here guys.  What is best place in us for extension cords for console?

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