Golden Tee 2005 No Inputs

[ed12]

300.00 usd and up
yes indeed they will

ed

[ed12]

i will add
u must call them and get a rma >most important<
btw u pay shipping both ways

ed

[goldengraham]

So realistically i should focus on making the green board work... or buy a new red board online.

[ed12]

how much skill set do u have with electronics ? and how much repair equipment do u have ?
as another @ here found out the hardway them surface mount chips are 50/50 at best for replacing
u will need to find out which switch/s are dead and why to say the least
or u could just as i have sujsted swap out a "dead" but not "dead" green board/hard drive for a running complete
and carry on.
but if u want to learn ? and have the patinace nessary u can bend my ear.
lord knows i worte the book on them

ed

[goldengraham]

Hahahaha well I'll have to get some equipment  to take a look at the surface mount chips. they scare me. switches ill check after that should be a big deal
Now I'm trying to extract the ROM off the hard drive I have. CHDMAN 146 keeps saying out of memory after 11%... I have lots of hard drive space... what gives?

[ed12]

with chdman
u need to go to a cmd prompt
i set it up like this
c:\chdman
that puts me in the directory (chdman)
from there i use the nessary (dos) switchs
ie / \ -f -i -s etc its all in the help file (very good written .txt) i will add

now on to the board
i was not implying the dip switchs
i ment the surface mout input/output switchs

chdman ussage as follows


KILogo KI2Logo


Imaging and Restoring Hard Drives using MAME's CHDMAN Utility

What You Will Need:

Capability to navigate your hard drive from within DOS or a Windows command prompt.
ST9150AG Killer Instinct hard drive or MAME CHD image file (info only).
ST9420AG Killer Instinct 2 hard drive or MAME CHD image file (info only).
Appropriate hardware adapters: IDE to 44-Pin Laptop Adapter, CompactFlash card reader, USB adapters work just fine.
CHDMAN v140 - MAME's CHDMAN Utility for Windows Operating Systems (CHD v4 Support)
CHDMAN v146 - MAME's CHDMAN Utility for Windows Operating Systems (CHD v5 Support)
Typically this page is updated only on "decade" MAME releases - ie: v140, v150, etc.
Otherwise, constantly keeping up with MAME interim releases becomes a part-time occupation.

Due to a re-write of CHDMAN starting with MAME v145u1, the command syntax has changed.
The new LZMA compression algorithms have brought SIGNIFICANT reductions in hard drive image sizes.

This page has been updated to reflect those changes.

Always attempt to create/restore images using the same version of CHDMAN the images were created with.
CHDMAN is always under development, so be aware some older images and versions of CHDMAN may be incompatible/outdated.
As long as your CHD files match the MAME and CHDMAN release version, you will be fine.


Who Can Benefit From This Information?

You have an arcade game with a hard drive and would like to back up the data to protect your investment.
You have a personal hard drive (operating system or otherwise) that you would like to back up using free software.
CHDMAN is a free alternative to Ghost and other commercial image-based data backup programs.
You want to restore your saved hard drive image to another hard drive or compatible device (CompactFlash card, etc.)
You want to submit an arcade hard drive image to MAME developers without having to ship your hardware away.


WARNINGS and DISCLAIMERS

Mistakes made while using the following procedures
can result in total data loss, erased/un-bootable Operating System
drives, deleted partitions, etc.

A single typographical error can lead to a catastrophic loss of data.

If you are inexperienced or uncomfortable with this disclaimer,
please purchase a Killer Instinct hard drive replacement kit or
contact me or another technically-savvy individual about backing up
and/or restoring your data for you.

Windows, by its very design, will attempt to be user friendly,
but do not EVER allow it to format or partition/modify your
original/source hard drive during this process or it will be
absolutely ruined.

Init and Convert Disk Wizard

Disk Not Formatted

Initialize Disk

Do You Want To Format?


Before You Begin: Get Organized!

1.) I highly recommend reading these instructions from start to finish before beginning. Do not "jump in."
2.) If you are creating/restoring hard drive image files, use short paths such as "c:\ki" or "e:\hdimages".
3.) If creating a hard drive image, note/record the size (in Megabytes/Gigabytes) of the original hard drive.
4.) Ensure your destination drive has the available space required to create the hard drive image file.
5.) Copy the CHDMAN executable file into your chosen destination folder (for future version control).



Using CHDMAN to Create A Hard Drive Image (Physical Disk to a File)


1.) Disconnect / Remove any hard drives or flash memory cards that may cause confusion.
2.) Connect the source hard drive to your PC. The easiest way is via USB to IDE (or SATA) adapters.
3.) Click "Start" > Run, and enter "diskmgmt.msc". This opens the Windows Disk Management Service interface.
4.) Using the size of your source hard drive, find it within the Disk Manager.
5.) Record the Disk Number that Windows has assigned the drive.
Your "C" drive will usually be Disk 1, and in this example my KI 2 drive was assigned Disk 3.


Windows Disk Management Interface
Make note of the Disk number Windows has assigned your source hard drive. Leave Disk Management open.
(If Killer Instinct 2 is a 420.8MB drive why does Windows show it as a 402MB drive? Either ignore it, or learn all about it.)

NOTE: Many hard drives (including Killer Instinct) will not be assigned a drive letter in Windows.
They will be shown as unknown, unallocated, not initialized, or RAW. This is NORMAL and only means
that Windows does not recogize the drive's filesystem.


Open a DOS/Windows command window: Click "Start" > Run, and enter "cmd".

In Vista/Windows 7:
"Start" > "All Programs" > "Accessories" > Right-Click "Command Prompt" and select 'Run as Administrator'.

Change to the directory with your CHDMAN executable file. This tutorial will use "C:\KI".

C:\KI Directory
This image shows our "KI" directory listing with the CHDMAN executable present.
Depending on the version of CHDMAN, the CHDMAN file size may differ...(v140 shown)


CHDMAN Command Listing CHDMAN Command Listing
Type only the name of the executable to see all of the commands CHDMAN is capable of.


v140: To create the KI2 hard drive image, type:
chdman -createhd \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE3 kinst2.chd
CHDMAN KI2 Drive Image Complete
This process took the contents of PHYSICALDRIVE3 and wrote it to a file named kinst2.chd.


The PHYSICALDRIVE attribute requires the disk number you recorded earlier from Windows Disk Management.
If your source disk number was 5, you would have substituted "\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE5" in the example above.

v146+: To create the KI2 hard drive image, type:
chdman createhd -o kinst2.chd -i \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE3
CHDMAN KI2 Drive Image Complete
NOTE: If you get the error about CHS values, you MUST provide them. You can usually find
this information printed on the top of the drive, otherwise, look it up on the drive manufacturer's website.
KI2 Drive - CHS Info

Congratulations!
You have successfully backed up a physical hard drive to an image file.

It would be a good idea to burn this file to a CD or DVD
so you always have a backup copy available.


Using CHDMAN to Write/Restore an Image to a Physical Hard Drive (File to Physical Disk)


As you might expect, restoring an image file (*.CHD) to a physical drive is essentially
the opposite of creating an hard drive image.

1.) Your destination drive must be at least the same size as the original source drive you imaged.
2.) You should always attempt to image the identical make/model hard drive as the source drive
before attempting to use CompactFlash or alternate sized hard drives.
3.) If the manufacturer has implemented copy protection algorithms in their boot ROMs, imaged drives
will almost always fail. They may reset randomly, crash while running, or not even boot up.
4.) If Step #2 works for you, it is likely that alternate media will work as well.
5.) Some arcade machines will require modified boot ROMs to function 100%. KI 2 is a perfect example.


This example uses a CompactFlash memory card as the destination drive.

1.) Disconnect / Remove any hard drives or flash memory cards that may cause confusion.
2.) Connect the destination hard drive to your PC. The easiest way is via USB to IDE (or SATA) adapters.
3.) Click "Start" > Run, and enter "diskmgmt.msc". This opens the Windows Disk Management Service interface.
4.) Using the size of your destination hard drive, find it within the Disk Manager.
5.) Record the Disk Number that Windows has assigned the drive.
In this example my 512MB CompactFlash card was assigned Disk 0.


Windows Disk Management Interface
Make note of the Disk number Windows has assigned your CompactFlash card. Leave Disk Management open.
(If the CompactFlash card is 512MB, why does Windows show it as a 481MB drive? Either ignore it, or learn all about it.)


Open a DOS/Windows command window: Click "Start" > Run, and enter "cmd".

In Vista/Windows 7:
"Start" > "All Programs" > "Accessories" > Right-Click "Command Prompt" and select 'Run as Administrator'.

Change to the directory with your CHDMAN executable file. This tutorial will use "c:\ki".

CHDMAN Info Output on KI2 Image File
Here is a directory listing of our KI folder with kinst2.chd image file and the CHDMAN executables.
The "-info" switch will report the CHD image file's specifications.

v140 - To restore the KI2 image file to your destination physical disk, type:
chdman -extract kinst2.chd \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE0
KI2 Image Successfully Restored
v146+ - To restore the KI2 image file to your destination physical disk, type:
chdman extracthd -i kinst2.chd -o \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE0 -f
KI2 Image Successfully Restored
This process extracted the kinst2.chd image to the destination device (PHYSICALDRIVE0).
(The "-f" switch tells CHDMAN to forcefully overwrite any existing data/partitions.)

The PHYSICALDRIVE attribute requires the disk number you recorded earlier from Windows Disk Management.
If your destination disk number was 3, you would have substituted "\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE3" in the example above.


If imaging is successful, Windows may ask if you want to
format your drive. Do NOT allow this operation on your newly imaged drive!


Error Writing Hunk
CHDMAN v145 and lower: If you receive a "error writing hunk" message, this is due to
data and/or partitions existing on the hard drive. At this point, however, you have obliterated them with CHDMAN.

From Windows Disk Management (Action -> Rescan Disks), or disconnect and re-connect your drive or CF adapter.
Re-try the same extract operation and it should complete successfully. If you clean the drive using DISKPART
prior to imaging, you will not see this message.

In CHDMAN v145u1 and newer, you will be required to add '-f' to FORCE the overwrite of the existing data/partitions.

ALWAYS RE-VERIFY THE PHYSICALDRIVE NUMBER WHEN RE-ATTACHING DRIVES!

ed

[goldengraham]

Yes I followed that tutorial using 146 from his thread and have it starting to make the chd but the fails. Any specific reason I should use 146?

[ed12]

ya its fource cmds
makes it work alot better
never had a problem.
done about 100 of the green boards now with it
but then i use a few other programs to prep the drive
ie parition magic (mini) not that full 1
and drive wipe is the other
so the drive is preped
plus in xp/7/8
go to run
type drivemgmt.msc
and find the drive u want to write to
if u are saving it to usb flash stick make sure the stick is fat32
then u can move it around
but if u are just trying to make a new hardrive from a saved file ?
then place that saved file and or a copy of it (into chdman)
this way when u cmd over to chdman
the file will already be there
btw the files that i use ARE NOT ISO's
they are labled .chd

ed

[goldengraham]

I'm trying to back up my existing drive so I can attempt to put the 2006 software on it. It's the only small IDE drive I can find locally.

I am using the proper command but I keep "out of memory" and cancel
 
Tried using an older version and it made a 24mb file which is much too small.

GG

[ed12]

fair enough
but i do have a few concerns i will go over later with u
right now i do have a question for u
what exactley is the u53 read in the red board (orignal) before swapping  ?
the label on the top of the chip. i know we went over this but i want to clearify a few points

ed

[goldengraham]

G45-CAN-U

[ed12]

if u are doing a harddrive for that board
then u want gt05
i thought i had gone over this in detail (u61)
that will at very least get u running
now if u have an eprom writer ? u can d/l egale 2.09 from our site
i did post it
and just burn an eprom 27c8000 is what i use
and then u no longer need to worry about harddrive size
also to copy your harddrive
easy way is just to do an .img file of it
mini parition has it built right in
just copy it to any harddrive that has 10meg of room on it
>file is only 8 meg<

ed

[goldengraham]

I want to image the hard drive for the green (G4C-CAN-U) board as all the board functions seem to work.

GG

[ed12]

as i stated just get mini parition wizard
and do the .img that way to any 10meg spare area u have on your system drive
and anyways as i pointed out
gt software is out there
if i had a upload site i would give u the copys
there .chd and ready to rock
so basicly u are wasting your time doing that when u want to get it going
and just remeberthat the red board will not run as a complete

ed

[goldengraham]

So complete is like 10GB and 2005 comes on a 6.4gb HD. Damnit. time to find some other way to do this.

[ed12]

if u take my advice and download partition magic wizard (mini)
u could slave your hard drive and look at it in mini
then u will find out 6.8g is the size of the .img
the rest is simply not used
it is just spare room hanging around
10gig was a common drive back in the day
now days it 500-1tb normal size
simply to large for these games
we all tend to top out at the most common from a few years ago (40g)

ed

[mclovin]

I recently used a 8gb flash card that only had 7.4 gb of actual space. Chdman errored out at about 80% due to disk space, but it seems to work fine as Ed says there is lots of empty space at the end partition.

[ed12]

thk-u kevin
as i was trying to tell the @ there is olny 3 count my # -> 3
active and needed paritions
the rest is simply not used

ed

[goldengraham]

Some updates from my weekend. I came across a few 32gig ide drives. The game would not load them. I will try to clone to the original drive as soon as I get a computer that has IDE ports.

I will try a 2.09 bios tomorrow or Thurs. What is the size restriction for that bios?.

GG

[ed12]

i use 27c8000

ed

[goldengraham]

Just an update. Got the green board working properly with my hacked up power supply and complete (2006) software that I cloned back onto the small hard drive (6.4gb) new bios chip will be in shortly.

Thanks for all the help. I still plan on getting the red board fixed but at this point I'll be paying someone to do so.

GG

[ed12]

congrads

ed