Windows 10

[MrThunderwing]

Hey everybody, my PC keeps bugging me to upgrade to Windows 10 (I'm currently still using Windows 7). I've been ignoring it so far, but I know I'll eventually get to a point I won't be able to any longer whenever Microsoft phase out support for 7. Can people here let me from their own experience, does Windows 10 play OK with all your emulators? The main ones I'm thinking of are stuff like MAME, Model 2 Emulator, Dolphin, PCsx2, PPSSPP.

Also, has anyone got a home network set-up between a PC running Windows 10 and older versions of Windows? My 2nd PC has got a non-official version of Windows 7 on it, so I'm not planning on upgrading that at any time soon...

[ed12]

if the icon for the update is already showing on your desktop ?
then go to start/control panel/updates/installed updates
find KB3035583 and un-install it.
windows will want to re-boot (let it).
once it is done 10 barker will be gone.
then once all is done "turn off automatic up-dates"
set it to wait for u t decide to install them

ed

[yotsuya]

Just do it. Stop fighting progress, and don't worry, Microsoft really doesn't care you like to look at cat videos on YouTube and chubby girl porn. You can shut all that stuff off anyway.

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[Howard_Casto]

I understand people's misgivings with win 10 given the fact that they are practically forcing you to upgrade, but the thing is.... they want you to upgrade because it's better.  Like all upgrades you might run across an issue with an outdated driver or what-not, but once it's in place and working as it should the os is superior to win 7 in almost every way.  I've been running it since july and other than a video card driver issue (which I fixed the first day of install) I've had zero problems with it. 

Emulators run fine, everything runs fine.  The only thing I've ran across that doesn't work are "fake monitor" apps.  Win 10 doesn't allow you to fake monitors anymore, probably because they are trying to push their display over wifi dongle. 

[ed12]

I agree with both of u..
have 10 on a gateway >flaw-less<,no error's install



ed

[POOTERMAN]

Al I dual boot between Windows 10 and Windows 7 and to be honest I use Windows 7 99% of the time because I don't like all the bloated crapware and telemetric bollocks Microsoft bundled with their latest OS.

Yes all that stuff can be disabled easily but apart from using DirectX 12 for things like the Sony PS3 emulator RPCS3 and playing the beta of FORZA 6 from the games store I can't see any reason to solely use it as my primary OS.

Plus I don't like being told by Microsoft what OS I should be using, Windows 7 does everything I want it to so why move away from it at this particular moment in time!

Have you got an old hard drive knocking about that you could clone your current Windows 7 on to and then do the Windows 10 update? If you don't like it you can rip the drive back out and you've lost nothing! It's probably worth doing the update whilst Windows 10 is being offered for "Free" even if you instantly delete it afterwards as you can then always install it again in the future should you want to. You just need to do the upgrade soon to 'claim' your copy of Windows 10 whilst there's no charge for it.

[Howard_Casto]

But there's no reason NOT to use it either.  Since the window for the free update is closing and eventually everyone will have to use 10 anyway there isn't any reason to keep waiting.  Yes windows 7 does everything you want it to... so does 10 because, as I mentioned, everything that works in 7 also works in 10. 

It isn't bundled with anything btw... that's the beauty of 10. It will suggest things you can install from the windows store, but it doesn't come pre-installed.  It's actually one of the most bloat free versions in the history of windows. 

I'm not a huge advocate of 10 btw... I've lived with it a while and other than dx 12 support, "cast to" support for virtually everything, and xbox one streaming I don't use many of the new features.  The thing is there isn't any harm in upgrading, so if you are actively trying to circumvent the upgrade you are just being stubborn at this point. 

[BadMouth]

Download a program called GWX  control panel. 

My Win7 computer started running like a dog after the win 10 nags were installed.  Deleted the nags and computer speeds back up.

My problem with win 10 is that I'm afraid it's based on the Google model of spying on me constantly for saleable information.  Check out your Google location history sometime.

Are my fears unfounded?

Edit: I haven't been able to get "Games for Windows Live" games like Fuel to run on the Windows 10 machine in the living room.
You're supposed to be able to install an old version of GFWL.  I invested a half hour in it, but couldn't get it working.

I like 10 on my cheap tablet that came with 8.1 because it doesn't suck as bad as 8.1

I'm not liking it on my Alienware Alpha console in the living room.
Any time I sign into the marketplace to download an app, it changes the PC to being linked to my email account despite me choosing not to upon initial setup.  I'd prefer not to give everyone playing emulated console or Steam games in my living room access to my email.   
Also when it re-links the account it requires me to log in on startup, which I don't want to happen with a console.

[obcd]

So, what are the advantages of upgrading to windows 10?

I know the commercial bla bla bla saying it has a so much more intuitive user interface.
And it is so much faster, especially in combination with a SSD drive. (You should try windows 2000 once on a modern pc with a ssd drive)
Why do they try to push everybody to windows 10. Are their previous products really that bad that they hope everybody stops using them?

Or maybe they try to push us to the cloud, and they will soon ask a monthly fee to keep our contents safe in the cloud.

So, what about my pc I use in my cabinet? I prefer the underlying OS to be hidden during startup. It doesn't need to be connected to the internet, so do I really need all those security updates?

Point is, MS will stop support for older windows versions, like they already do for XP. Other firms will slowly stop supporting them as well. Internet Explorer on windows XP has pretty much become unusable on 50% of the websites. Google starts complaining as well.

I guess it's just a matter of time before someone will invent the windows 10 shrinker that will clean the system back to basics. (Like we have XP lite for our consoles.)

Windows 8 already had some of the new weirdo stuff (metro interface), so the upgrade from there isn't that painfull.
Windows 7 still had the old look and feel. It's hard to say goodbey to it.

Beside that, we have the saying, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" We keep hearing that the update should be without issues.. But why?
So, they stop updating XP because it's 2 old. It's a big hoax as they still make the updates for XP embedded used in cash registers,
which is an almost identical OS. In my opinion, they stop updating it so we should buy another OS version, and since our PC is 2 slow and doesn't has enough memory, we might as well update that the same time. In the mean time, they keep telling us that we are producing 2 much electronic waste.

Another thing I don't get is why they only offer free updates till the end of July.
It's not like they tell you, hey, you are beta testing our new OS, and due to that, you get it for free.

So yes, they spy on you, but that's only to provide your webpages faster, as they will have all porn sites already cached in your neiborhood. Instead of getting it from servers, they will get it faster from your neibor. (Assuming he has the same taste as you.)

You can't blame them, they have to be inventive to keep sales going. Just keep in your backhead that their only goal is making profit,
and they don't propose 10 for free because they like you or because they are ashame of their previous products and the huge amount of money they ask for it.

So, to get back to my question, what's the benifit of it?

1. We will get support and securioty updates.
2. It's suposed to start faster due to the way it delays the startup of some components.
Instead of waiting 2 minutes for your computer to become ready for use, you see your desktop after one minute.
The next minute, you can start your application, but it will take far more time to start since the delayed coponents are being loaded and started as well.
3. If we buy new hardware, it will have drivers for 10 and maybe not anymore for older windows versions.
4. We have directx 12.
5. We are using the 16Gig memory that is installed in our new pc. (Sorry this one is a joke)

But, it's a little off topic. The real question is, how good is compatibility with emulators and other programs and,
Is it safe to update?

Safe, yes. Needed? yes, because they will create the need.

I hate it when they force me to do things,for no good reason, but that's probably my mentality.

[Fursphere]

I have windows 10 on on all my PCs.  Including the driving cabinet and the MAME cabinet.

Zero issues (other than a couple of settings moved to a new location that I had to track down).  And it runs faster than Windows 7 did on the same hardware on the MAME cabinet (Core2Duo 3.0 ghz).   Well, I guess I had to mess with my Akishop PS360+ encoders a little bit to get player 1 and player 2 in the right order.    But the 2x PACLED64 encoders I have setup, and the Dolphin Bar (for Wii emulation) work just fine.  (And Hyperspin works fine too if you care)

If you're worried about "spyware" and you have your computer connected to the internet, I have bad news for you no matter what OS you're running...   

[Howard_Casto]

Yes, the slight, yet noticeable, performance increase is the most notable benefit of windows 10.  In addition networking and sharing computers as well as remote access is easier.  They also went "cast to" crazy.  You can cast your desktop, a website viewed in edge, a file on your computer, basically anything.  They are trying to implement cell phone/game console ease of use when it comes to multimedia. 

The main benefit, which annoys people but I assure you is necessary, are mandatory updates and mandatory error reporting.  Microsoft finally came to the same conclusion that us i.t. people did ages ago... 99.99% of windows errors are caused by the user in one way or another.  The upgrades are automatic because statistically speaking people weren't using windows update.  The "spyware" is there to determine what could be causing errors or virus/malware infections when you get them.  I'm not talking about anyone in this thread but in general people use their computers wrong or don't do proper maintenance and then blame the computer when it acts up.  Microsoft is trying to prevent issues by doing what needs to be done.... just cut them a bit of slack, try the OS and you'll see that you are over-reacting.

[ed12]

10 has truly only 1 problem
it dose like legacy.....that aside it is just fine.

ed

[Jitterdoomer]

For people who want to upgrade - To avoid Windows 10 spying on you, download this:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Anyways, once you upgrade it to Windows 10, some PC based arcade games will sometimes stop working like Silent Hill The Arcade unless you dual boot with Windows 7 to play these games or by using a Virtual Machine to play it. Otherwise, most emulators will work on Windows 10.

MS forces everybody to upgrade to Windows 10 because Windows 7 support is about to end really soon in 2020 while mainstream support ended last year.

With Xbox App, you can able to screenshot on one of your favorite games and post it to your friends who has an Xbox or Windows 10. Also, you can play Hydro Thunder Hurricane without complaining about the stupid Start Screen that Windows 8 or 8.1 mainly had (although it's toggleable in the Settings).

I tried Windows 10 and it ran LA Machineguns on a New Engine at Supermodel without slowdowns.

[SailorSat]

Wow... I still use XP(64) on my emulator rigs ^^

Although I have to admit that for some unknown reason, SuperModel performs way better in Win7 as it does in XP64.
My development systems all run with Win10 by now - even VB6 installed (although I had to "edit" the CD)

[thomas_surles]

Just upgraded today. Spent hours backing up all the files I wanted to keep only to find out that when you upgrade it keeps all your files....

[Robbbert]

I know you don't like your telemetry (I don't either), but did you know that win7 has lots of telemetry as well? I didn't either until I started rummaging around. Easy to turn off though.

It was only 3 months ago or so that I finally retired my w2k and XP machines, and replaced them with 2nd-hand win7 boxes. What can I say? They go about a hundred times faster. Win7 has a few unfortunate bugs though, hopefully they are fixed in win10.

So tonight I will sacrifice a win7 pc (a HP 4000) to the Microsoft gods, by connecting it to the internet and allowing automatic updates to do whatever they want. Perhaps in the end it will transform itself into win10. After that I will see what it is like.

[BadMouth]

My standup cab is running Vista.   

I had a copy  & needed Direct 11 support for Demul.
After upgrading to a video card with more memory, it runs MKX.

I was hoping to get the free update offer since Vista was part of the original beta test group.
No such luck.

[obcd]

If the win 7 boxes go a 100 times faster, I assume it's because it's more modern hardware with a faster cpu?
I am rather sceptical to believe that any more modern OS will run faster on the same hardware.
XP can be made "power off" proof with a couple of files from the embedded version. (with a read only partition)
It might be possible on 7 and higher as well, but I have no idea how.
To have a "pc console" act like a console, this is a must for me. Just switch it off like in good old dos days.

[MrThunderwing]

Thanks for the feedback all.