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Web of Wonder
« on: January 23, 2016, 09:22:32 pm »
Keeping it simple here.  For my first build, I'm working on a basic 2P cabinet with a Spider-man theme.  Because I live with a couple headstrong ladies, it will also incorporate some Wonder Woman as well.  The overall structure is heavily based on OND's basic layout in the sticky.  I was confused about a few steps in the making, so I'll try to clarify what I'm doing in those areas. 

Specs:
MDF (mostly)
Ultimate 360 Sticks (x2)
IL buttons with with RGB inserts from Paradise
    Four leaf switch button per side. Leaf mods from Paradise.
I-pac Ultimate
U-Trak trackball
Cheap ass widescreen TV
Scan line generator
Coin door mechs from Twisted Quarter
   Extra mech for magic tokens

Special Specs:
SPIDEY SENSE GAME SELECTION SYSTEM:
I am trying to create and implement an RFID activation tag feature.  This is not really something with mass appeal, or much use to anyone who has a dedicated cab or prefers a good front end.  So why bother?  Kids and other dumb-asses who will not be able to navigate a front end.  I know myself well enough that I do not want to be called over every 5 minutes during a party to help change games.  So my goal is to have a bucket of quarters for the credits and a bucket of magic tokens to select the game.  I am hoping this will work particularly well for the 8 & under crowd.  I am planning to pick 50-100 good games and make a dedicated token for each.  All the user has to do is pick the token of the game they want, shove it in and the game launches automatically.  Want to switch games?  Shove a new token in.  I'm not sure if I'll get there, but I'm going to try...

To do list:

Finish artwork
Cut out final Control Panel
Bezel graphics, instructions?
Install LED for trackball
Install LED backlights for speakers
Modify buttons from microswitches to leaf switches
Get separate toggle for scanline generator?
Get T molding
Get smart powerstrip
Get USB port
Get keylock switch 3pst for coin ups
Get 4pst switch for admin buttons
Get LED strips for front and bottom of cab
Get/fabricate mounts for marquee
Mount amp and volume controls
Prepare 2nd ATX power supply

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 09:34:33 pm »


Start!

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2016, 09:53:10 pm »
Good luck with your build. I love pictures like that! 

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2016, 10:07:35 pm »
Is that a glass of scotch?  ::)

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2016, 10:36:51 pm »
Your a better person than me, I would still be arguing with the gals about how you can't mix Marvel and DC.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2016, 09:35:23 pm »
Woman skimpy outfit or distressed teen with hormone issues?

Shoot... Wonder Woman hands down.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2016, 09:59:35 pm »
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Is that a glass of scotch?  ::)

Sure is!

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Hahaha.  I wondered how long it would be before someone brought that up!   ;)  Oh well, universes are colliding on this one!

I'm going to go with a darker, modern WW.  Gal Gadot style.  ;D



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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2016, 11:05:46 pm »
Side panels cut out:



Back panel cut out.  Routing straight edge:



Side and back panels on, attached to base:



Mirrored cut outs for the two front panels:



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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2016, 11:38:34 pm »
Attaching the front panels with coin cut-outs:



Back panel.  I used three large circular holes.  Hopefully it will give me some flexibility with the control panel, since I haven't quite fleshed the CP out totally...  :-\



My nail gun broke!  I think I didn't oil it like I should.  So... screws from here on out!
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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2016, 11:42:40 pm »
That's some quality work!  :applaud:

The part I always worry about the most is finishing using paint.

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2016, 11:55:54 pm »
Thanks dude.  This has to be the most accurate thing I've ever made out of wood.  I'm really excited to get to use the router that's been sitting around in my tool bucket.  Glad I found these forums!!! 

I'm dreaming about painting for the last couple weeks.  It would symbolically be a new "phase", but I'm sure I'll want to die with all those coats and sanding and waiting for coats to dry... And I suck at painting anything!  :D

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2016, 12:11:08 am »
I'm sure it looks weird, but here's how I angled the bezel around the monitor cut-out:



I wasn't sure how to angle the monitor bezel, so I lined it up with the straight edge of the cabinet sides and used a large clamp to "pinch" the sides in and hold it in place (gently) while I measured:





That's bondo on the belzel where I nicked it with my sub-par router skills.  :embarassed:

Then I tightened up the clamp and went inside to install the bracing.  I held the pieces in place, drilled:



Then I drilled through the side panels:



And then screwed in from the exterior:



Finally, I drilled and screwed in the bezel:



And then I did the top half of the bezel.  I wonder, should I use more than four screws?


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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2016, 08:44:25 am »
4 screws will hold it securely, but nothing says OCD with a hint of psychosis like 40 screws.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2016, 09:24:51 pm »
I am doing a mock-up of the CP.  I have a dilemma I am hoping for some input on. I wanted to hide the bolt heads b/c I like the clean look.  I also want the possibility of swapping sticks if necessary to repair or something in the future. 

I am using the US 360 with a standard shaft.  I think I want to use a standard shaft instead of the extended one because the throw feels good and I don't think I would like it much longer.  Obviously, with 3/4 inch MDF for the top, the stick is too short to simply mount the stick under the CP top.  So I tried rebating the underside of the CP top 1/2", which gives the stick a good height, but only leaves 1/4" to mount the stick onto.  I toyed around with using inserts, which could be ground down, but I'm worried they will not give the stick enough support.  I could screw some strips of wood into the bottom to support the plate from underneath...

I'm thinking options would be to find an "s" plate, or maybe a thin metal panel on the top of the CP, rebated into it to provide strength and have the bolts welded to it or something.   Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks!





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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2016, 11:13:09 pm »
Get these from paradise arcade and top mount....



   

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2016, 11:21:31 pm »
I could screw some strips of wood into the bottom to support the plate from underneath...
Check out "Under mount (support blocks)" here in the FAQ.


EMDB uses 10 threaded inserts :o , but 4 is plenty.   ;D



You can also use 2 bars instead of a square plate.


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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2016, 09:22:34 pm »
Thanks PL1.  I am thinking that is my best option.

Rablack97, if i top mount with a plate and vinyl over it, what prevents the mounting screws from spinning on the plate freely when tightening the nuts underneath?

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 12:17:58 am »
Not sure i'm following you, a screwdriver? :dunno











However, if your going adhesive vinyl on top you have no choice but to undermount, with PL1's suggested method.  Unless you countersink your screw and bondo/woodfill, the the vinyl will show where your screw holes are when its sticks.
   

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2016, 11:42:08 pm »
Yes, I am planning on using adhesive vinyl, so I will go with the undermount with supports.  Thanks, it's great having solid veterans give advice!  :afro:

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2016, 12:02:15 am »
So, here is my trial attempt at bolting down a piece of wood to secure the joystick plate.  Curious if I need to also have screws on the plate itself to help keep the stick centered. I didn't see anyone else doing this but it seems necessary to keep the plate from shifting in the oversized rebate? 



I'm thinking of using these bars instead of a cutout square metal plate. I think 2 bars should give it enough support.



Does the height of my trackball look OK?  I was planning on using the ring (pictured on the side).  Or should I go for more of a flush mount without the ring?

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 11:30:41 pm »
Finally get to bondo and primer paint!  I think the only woodwork left is the CP.



I also threw together a mount for the monitor.  I wasn't too sure how to do this and still make it reasonably accessible for repair or to upgrade the monitor.  It is such a tight fit horizontally, I'll probably have to take it out the front side but I tried to make the brackets removable from behind.





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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2016, 11:35:54 pm »


I have a bit of a problem with the buttons.  I realize with some testing that I really like the feel of the leaf-switch buttons.  Only, I have already stocked up on the IL microswitch buttons.  I think I will be happy with only 3 or 4 leafs per side (6-8 total), but I want the black plunger and clear surround for the LEDs.  Has anyone tried to convert a microswitch button to a leaf?  Or, better yet, is there a matching leaf switch button on the market that has the clear/black combination I am looking for?   :dunno

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2016, 12:48:00 am »
Has anyone tried to convert a microswitch button to a leaf?
Micro-Leaf™ Arcade Pushbutton Switches:
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=309

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2016, 09:55:22 am »
Anxious to see some artwork here! Big Spiderman/comic book fan!   :applaud:

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2016, 12:53:28 pm »
This build looks very promising. You are finding bondo to be useful stuff yeah? I'm a big fan of it myself, keep up the good work JudgeRob.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 02:06:13 pm »
I dig the progress so far, and the name of the cabinet!  :)
Looking forward to seeing how you dress this one up.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 04:26:19 pm »
Thanks for the encouragement!  :)  Artwork is still a work in progress, but it is progressing.  I've been focusing on the control panel first.  I'll throw up some of it tonight.  Like I said, it is a strange blend of Wonder Woman and Spider-Man.  The cab is going to be divided with WW on the left half and SM on the right.  I've decided to go with more of a "real" live action art as opposed to comic art.  It's been a difficult part of this project for me.  I've discovered I am not as artistically inclined as I thought I was!   :-[

I found some decent fonts (I think) for the marquee.  I still need to decide what kind of action (if any) to go on the marquee.  I also need to finalize which Spider-Man pic to put on the right side panel. 

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Yeah, it's good stuff.  My only gripe is it sets up pretty fast, so it's hard to mix and use a lot of it at once.  It dries really hard.   Any issues using a router on it?  I had to fill in some parts of my T molding channel where I messed up and need to cut through it again.
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2016, 05:09:16 pm »
Any issues using a router on it?  I had to fill in some parts of my T molding channel where I messed up and need to cut through it again.

Bondo routes really well especially when used with MDF just make sure the bits are nice and sharp for a clean edge.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2016, 08:27:37 pm »
4 screws will hold it securely, but nothing says OCD with a hint of psychosis like 40 screws.

I agree  - nothing says crazy like 40 screws!  In case you (or anyone reading this build) is interested in the strength of a screwed butt joint, here is an interesting mostly scientific analysis.  Even though they use pocket holes, that shouldn't really matter.  And yes, I said screwed butt joint, get over it PBJ.

https://woodgears.ca/joint_strength/pockethole.html

Your build is looking great (and so is your workshop/tools).  I also see you have a lot of fingers left - keep it that way by only having Scotch while drafting (booze and power tools will put you in front of a high school shop class as a guest speaker pretty quick...)

Cheers!
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2016, 09:53:03 pm »
Guilty as charged.   :-[  I usually drink beers while I work.  I know my limit when I'm using different tools, but I'm sure everyone says that.  After a few beers, I don't use anything high speed or circular saws.

Interesting article.  I've wanted a pocket hole jig for a while now.  Not sure my monitor bezel needs that kind of mounting strength though!   :lol

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2016, 10:08:40 pm »
Here's a preview combination pic.  The fonts are what I am working on for the marquee.  The "WEB" will have more of a web texture though, instead of chiseled rock.  For "WONDER" I went with more of a primal paintbrush look to give homage to the amazonian heritage.  The pictures are what I am trying to blend together for the control panel (which won't have any words).  It's a little busy.  I might tone down the background a little.  My brother is actually doing all the photoshopping.  He's working to polish and finalize this raw concept.



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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2016, 10:23:22 pm »
Came across this sweet find for my speakers.  The spider grills are perfect!  I'm sure the speakers will sound like garbage, but for 20 bucks, it's worth it for the grills alone, even if I have to replace the speakers.  The cones are translucent, so my plan is to back light them.  Not sure what color to use???




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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2016, 03:25:17 pm »
*puts on brutally honest hat*

You need to change that artwork. I quite think the opposite of your post in that you SHOULD use animated images versus live action. I really feel you should nix Wonder Woman and maybe go with Spider-Woman, or even Spider-Gwen with Spiderman. 

Live action just brings two TOTALLY different styles, where animation you can get away with more as it's mostly lines and colors, both of which you can alter to get at least a SOMEWHAT cohesive mix.

Either that, or put on your big boy pants, and build the Spiderman cabinet you really want, and maybe do a bartop or mini of Wonder Woman for the girls once you gain all the knowledge from your first build. From the speaker grills you have chosen, you are not leaving much to the "Wonder Woman" theme, and it's going to be even worse if Spiderman is the dominant design with 3 pictures of WW thrown in to keep the girls happy. I have a wife and 2 daughters, so I get the pain, but c'mon man.  I would be happy to work on some samples if you wish.

And to appease the "if you don't have something nice to say" crowd, I think this build is awesome, and it's your machine that you'll have to look at, but I am saying something early on instead of letting you get all your artwork printed and hating it.

Keep up the good work!

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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2016, 04:08:05 pm »
*puts on brutally honest hat*

You need to change that artwork. I quite think the opposite of your post in that you SHOULD use animated images versus live action. I really feel you should nix Wonder Woman and maybe go with Spider-Woman, or even Spider-Gwen with Spiderman. 

Live action just brings two TOTALLY different styles, where animation you can get away with more as it's mostly lines and colors, both of which you can alter to get at least a SOMEWHAT cohesive mix.

Either that, or put on your big boy pants, and build the Spiderman cabinet you really want, and maybe do a bartop or mini of Wonder Woman for the girls once you gain all the knowledge from your first build. From the speaker grills you have chosen, you are not leaving much to the "Wonder Woman" theme, and it's going to be even worse if Spiderman is the dominant design with 3 pictures of WW thrown in to keep the girls happy. I have a wife and 2 daughters, so I get the pain, but c'mon man.  I would be happy to work on some samples if you wish.

And to appease the "if you don't have something nice to say" crowd, I think this build is awesome, and it's your machine that you'll have to look at, but I am saying something early on instead of letting you get all your artwork printed and hating it.

Keep up the good work!

Heh, this is the benefit (and it IS a benefit) of sharing your project on the forum. Honest advice from folks who understand arcade aesthetics.  In short, I agree with reptileink's feedback on the artwork mock-up.   If you're fixed on mixing the two super heroes in a split I'd definitely stick to cartoon style artwork rather than live action with clean color separation left and right.  Your build standard is high, but artwork is sooo important at the end of the day.  You'll find plenty of offers to help - go with it.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2016, 12:00:06 am »
It's cool, no worries.   ;)  I'm still undecided on how it will all pan out.  My initial mockups were cartoon based.  I do think comic art will stand the test of time better.  I was having a hard time finding WW pics I liked.  Some I liked but were a little too skanky.  I appreciate the input.  I was going to go with Spider-Woman as the alternate too, but pics were hard to come by and didn't really grab me.  Plus, I think there were no fewer than 3, maybe 4 different Spider Women.  Wonder woman just felt way more recognizable and modernly relevant.  I'll post some more as I get the developments...  (more to come).
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2016, 02:03:19 am »
I'm sort of rebooting this.  I'm almost certainly bailing on Wonder Woman.  I am considering two distinct possibilities.

1) Spiderman "Alien Costume" and The Silver Sable, or Spider-Woman #3.  This would be a very neutral colored cabinet with a lot of dark grey and black (sort of at odds with the RGB LED lighting).

2) Spiderman and Spider-Woman (First generation).  This would be much more colorful and also be a lot more recognizable to the rest of the population.

As cool as the first option would be, I am leaning heavily toward the second.
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2016, 07:51:55 am »
Just when I was sort of warming to the idea of Wonder Woman, based strongly on your sweet cabinet name you go and change it?  :lol

I also agree with the others on the comic style, but if you're rolling your own art I definitely understand the limitations.

Keep working dude, I'll be watching your progress!

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2016, 10:12:26 am »
*puts on brutally honest hat*

You need to change that artwork. I quite think the opposite of your post in that you SHOULD use animated images versus live action. I really feel you should nix Wonder Woman and maybe go with Spider-Woman, or even Spider-Gwen with Spiderman. 

Live action just brings two TOTALLY different styles, where animation you can get away with more as it's mostly lines and colors, both of which you can alter to get at least a SOMEWHAT cohesive mix.

Either that, or put on your big boy pants, and build the Spiderman cabinet you really want, and maybe do a bartop or mini of Wonder Woman for the girls once you gain all the knowledge from your first build. From the speaker grills you have chosen, you are not leaving much to the "Wonder Woman" theme, and it's going to be even worse if Spiderman is the dominant design with 3 pictures of WW thrown in to keep the girls happy. I have a wife and 2 daughters, so I get the pain, but c'mon man.  I would be happy to work on some samples if you wish.

And to appease the "if you don't have something nice to say" crowd, I think this build is awesome, and it's your machine that you'll have to look at, but I am saying something early on instead of letting you get all your artwork printed and hating it.

Keep up the good work!
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2016, 08:11:43 pm »
I wouldn't say I really excel at any of the skills needed for these builds, so I appreciate all the help I've received.  I appreciate the compliments on the woodwork, but I know there are a lot of flaws to work out.  Some things, especially art, needs a fresh set of eyes after a while.  I just hope no one take offense if I don't take up a particular suggestion.  Although I am building it mostly by my self, I am including my daughter where I can (ie sanding  ;D) and the cabinet will be for the benefit of more than just me, so there are some considerations for others. 

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Just when I was sort of warming to the idea of Wonder Woman, based strongly on your sweet cabinet name you go and change it?  :lol

Haha, well, the name will probably remain the same.  He was still the Webbed Wonder after all, so it still works. I just wasn't feeling the WW.  I can't describe it, but I just couldn't make it feel right.  Your initial instincts were right!  :D

Cheers  :cheers:
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2016, 08:34:41 pm »
Silver Sable is a pretty badass chick:


This coupling would look pretty cool:


  
 

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