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GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« on: December 28, 2015, 10:31:10 am »
Hello,

I'm building my first GroovyMame PC for use with a Sony BVM-D32E1WU for horizontal games and Sony BVM-20F1U for vertical resolutions. I went with the following components:

MOTHERBOARD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157526

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117374

VIDEOCARD: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002AKKMNI/

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD2JZ5899

CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119299

I'm torn as to which OS to install for the best GroovyMame performance. I've heard that 32-bit XP has the best performance, but then I'm limiting my rig's 16Gb of RAM to only 3.5Gb. I've heard that Windows 7 has an issue related to interlaced resolutions and the emulated ddraw which runs slower than XP. I haven't found much info on the 64-bit version of XP being used with GroovyMame.

I am leaning towards Windows 7, since I assume that the issues will be worked out in future builds. Does anyone know what games this effects by the way? Is there anything else I should be aware of before I proceed?

Thank you
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 10:57:12 am »
Do a search for monitor detection issues with win7. However, I would still definitely go with 64-bit win7.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2015, 11:07:19 am »
Intel 9 series chipset does not have official support for XP. It may work actually but it's untested. Also intel does not provide AHCI drivers for XP for this motherboard, neither AsRock. Either use generic ones made by Fernando or switch to IDE mode (not too good for SSD disks). Consider older board with intel serie 8. Also pay attention that only some motherboard have overclocking ability with H87, H97.

Windows XP does not support SSD disk correctly so it may have significant signs of usage after short time. Since PC for mame does not require fast HDD You might consider standard HDD. If You make selection of games everything will fit even on 160 Gb (unless You are planning use Hyperspin with movies). Performance under XP x32 or x64 is lower than on 7 x64 and it's noticable in mame.

4 Gb of RAM is more than enough for MAME. 16 Gb is absurd. Besides even G.Skill is great brand (I have 16 Gb G.Skill in my main PC) I prefer cheaper RAM for mame PC. If it's only for mame and other emulators pick value ones.

PSU is fine. Similiar one is still in PC of my wife but about year ago Corsair had many problems with faulty PSUs.

Processor is the best choice but must be overclocked. The best ratio would be from 3,8 GHz to 4,3 GHz.

Video card is ok but it's overpriced, it can found cheaper.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2015, 11:25:29 am by haynor666 »

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2015, 11:43:40 am »
Hello,

Thanks for your feedback. I actually ended up getting a 2Tb standard HDD instead of the SSD. Sorry, I copied that information from old notes.

Are there any new ITX motherboards that still have reliable drivers for XP that you'd recommend? Maybe it'd be better if I switched that out and got less RAM.

Regarding the PSU: it seems to work fine, but should I run a test?

Thanks again

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015, 01:21:48 pm »
Sadly many motherboards with intel serie 8 chipset has been sold out. Personally I use Asus H81 serie motherboard (H81M-E if I remember correctly). Generally any motherboard with serie 8 will support XP but still no drivers for AHCI and no drivers for Intel graphics card (since You are buying Radeon You don't have to worry about graphics drivers).

Corsair should be ok but I use be quiet in main PC and cheap Foltron in arcade pc.

About issues in Windows 7. Indeed there are problems with interlaced resolutions but groovymame runs ok. You just have to enable multithreading in options.
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2015, 01:42:27 pm »
Hi, thanks again for your advice. What do you think of this motherboard?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00H7OHW8A

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2015, 02:00:31 pm »
I think it's the best place to learn about intel H8x series overclocking http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389948

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2015, 03:08:03 pm »
About issues in Windows 7. Indeed there are problems with interlaced resolutions but groovymame runs ok. You just have to enable multithreading in options.

OK, well that sounds easy enough to do.

I think it's the best place to learn about intel H8x series overclocking http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389948

Ah, alright. I think I'm going to stick with the ASRock H97M-ITX motherboard and install Windows 7 then. It may be better just to use what is available now rather than to chase down stuff that was more readily available a while back.

Although . . . now I'm wondering if I should get a Z motherboard instead for an easier overclock, such as this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157504

With the H97M-ITX I'll have to rollback the BIOs to 1.70 without the microcode update to be able to overclock. I guess that shouldn't be much of a problem. Do you thin upgrading to the Z board would be worth it? I'd prefer to do this right the first time then have to revisit the build in the near future.

Thanks again!

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2015, 03:39:37 pm »
I'll bought simple board with H81 and that was enough to overclock G3258 to 4,2 GHz but this was mATX. Probably You will find ITX motherboard that will allow overclock G3258. Sadly I cannot recommend any specific one.

I've forgotten about Taito Type X games and model2 emulator. Taito Type X games won't work on windows 7 and typical arcade monitor (unless is tri-sync) or CRT TV. Also model2 working in interlaced resolutions will have problems with proper video sync due 30 Hz interlaced modes.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2015, 03:40:33 pm »
I just picked up the ASUS H81M-E to pair with the G3258. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ESETQNG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01

Extremely easy to overclock.  I'm running at 4.3 Ghz on the stock cooler, but probably going to back it down a bit to 4.2.  No need for a Z mobo. 

I also picked up a used MSI HD4350 for 15 bucks off Ebay. 

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2015, 03:59:06 pm »
Would this be the comparable ITX version of that motherboard?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ESETQN6/

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Extremely easy to overclock.  I'm running at 4.3 Ghz on the stock cooler, but probably going to back it down a bit to 4.2.  No need for a Z mobo. 

What RAM are you using?

I've forgotten about Taito Type X games and model2 emulator. Taito Type X games won't work on windows 7 and typical arcade monitor (unless is tri-sync) or CRT TV. Also model2 working in interlaced resolutions will have problems with proper video sync due 30 Hz interlaced modes.

That is good to know. If this motherboard I've linked will work with XP, I'll just go with that.

I'm curious as to what will and will not work with my BVMs. I'm hopeful that I will have some good luck. I will be using an Extron 203rxi RGB interface in between the PC and the BVM. I've found them to be extremely helpful with both troubleshooting and also feeding the monitors a compatible signal.

Thanks again for all the helpful information!
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2015, 04:12:37 pm »
The mobo you linked does look like the ITX version of what I purchased. 

I'm using 1 4Gb stick of this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8E8YKC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2015, 04:26:13 pm »
OK, thanks! I think I will use the 16Gb (2x 8Gb) sticks that I have now since I'd have to pay NewEgg a restocking fee. If the various issues with Windows 7 get sorted in the future, I could use it then.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2015, 07:46:46 pm »
since I'm on the market for a dedicated system to put inside my cabin I'll just ask here: why do you people overclock the G3528? to run more complex 3D games? Do you need an overclocked cpu to get good results if the most 3D game you'll run is Tekken?
TBH I was thinking of getting the 3.5ghz G3460 , is this a worse cpu than G3528 for mame?

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2015, 10:27:09 pm »
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2015, 06:04:13 am »
Stock G3258 is too low for cv1k From version 191 G3258 3,6 GHz is fine, some pgm games and probably many 3D games. Also discrete games needs high speed cpu.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2015, 07:12:10 am »
Definitely, go Windows 7.
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2015, 03:40:42 pm »
I see the deal about G3528... I don't really mess with overclocking ever, I'll see if I can get a better cpu as a base and maybe oc a little if needed... any recommendations on that? is getting a better/more mhz "G3xxx" dual core worth it?

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2015, 05:16:34 pm »
The closest to G3258 overclocked will be Intel Core i3-4370 @ 3.80GHz it's price is twice as G3258. Look: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2015, 06:26:17 pm »
I see, thanks again for the help - G3528/oc it is then :D

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2015, 06:32:15 pm »
From my tests new Arcade_OSD and VMMaker makes finally possible to play Taito Type X games and model2 emu correctly so right now XP x64 is almost obsolete.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2015, 10:37:39 pm »
From my tests new Arcade_OSD and VMMaker makes finally possible to play Taito Type X games and model2 emu correctly so right now XP x64 is almost obsolete.

Thanks for providing feedback, haynor666.  Two questions :

i) What do you mean by finally possible to play model2 emu correctly with the new version of Arcade_OSD and VMMaker?  What was broken / not working properly with the previous version?

ii)  Why do you say that XP x64 is "almost obsolete"?  Is there a specific emu that won't run on Win 7 or greater?

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2015, 03:33:30 am »
Almost because there are some problems with OpenGl right now (at least one person reporting this) also I haven't made deep tests. Also I have still some problems with certain Taito Type X games.

Model2 was tested yesterday and from fast tests sound and speed are ok at least from attract modes. In next two days I'll reinstall windows 7 x64 and make all installs from scratch. Maybe something interesting will popup.
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2015, 01:17:25 pm »
Thanks again for the suggestions. I installed Windows 7 and rolled back the motherboard BIOS back to the version without the Intel microcode update that disabled overclocking. I was able to achieve a stable 4.2Ghz overclock with the Asrock EFI preset right off the bat. The voltage is set to 1.28, so I think I may just leave it at that rather than fiddle with the settings.

Currently downloading the most up-to-date MAME sets....

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2015, 11:17:34 pm »
Is Windows 10 an option.
I am about to update my 14 year old DOS arcadeos crt IPAC JPAC system made from a pit fighter cabinet. This took a while to tune the resolutions but it resulted in Solid Graphics. I was wondering if Windows 10 would be a good platform or should I just do Win7. I need to be able to use the 4550 PCIE card and the wellsG 25" monitor.
Thoughts;

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2016, 05:26:08 am »
Well, no because it is expensive while You can get cheap licence for 7 everywhere. Also it's still not tested too much.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2016, 02:46:37 pm »
Hello,

I've finally gotten around to installing GroovyMame with CRTEmuDriver. I decided to install the Beta since I'll be using the most recent GroovyMame and Windows 7. I (think) I'm having an issue installing the driver.

I ran the installer and the PC is definitely in Test Mode as it is indicated in the lower right hand corner of the desktop. After rebooting, I ran the installer again to install the driver and rebooted again. However, when I run VMMaker it says "No compatible driver found." I ran each program as an administrator.

I assume the driver install hasn't worked – or have a missed a step here?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2016, 02:48:47 pm »
What version of VMMaker are you running?
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2016, 02:57:54 pm »
Hi Calamity,

I'm running VMMaker 2.0 beta 2. Good news, I was able to get the driver to install. I did this by browsing for the driver manually via the Start Menu > Computer > Manage > Device Manager.

VMMaker now can see the driver and 2x displays are listed: the LED monitor I'm currently connected to with DVI and a Generic Monitor.

I guess I just have to generate the modes now?

Thanks again

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2016, 03:00:28 pm »
Yes, just create the modes.

The driver installation should have worked in the first place. Maybe you didn't remove the previous driver?
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2016, 03:03:10 pm »
Hi Calamity,

I definitely did remove it. I even used the AMD cleanup utility to be safe. It seems that Windows 7 just kept using that generic display driver for whatever reason.

OK, I have to run a few errands. I'll hook it up to my BVM (similar to Emubastard's) and report back.

Thanks again

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2016, 06:04:43 pm »
Thanks haynor666. I a building a win 7 from scratch and will keep you guys posted.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2016, 06:17:13 pm »
Generic driver is build in system so everytime You uninstall Calamity driver system will install generic back.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2016, 04:34:52 pm »
Hi haynor666. My name is Luiz and I'm from Brazil. I started building an arcade now and from what I've seen the best way to play games in native resolution is with Groovy Mame. I was seeing a topic in the forum about using windows xp and windows 7 and I saw that you gave lots of tips about it. If you can help me I thank you very much. Currently what is better windows and mame version to get the best graphics and performance in the games? And equipment. What is the best motherboard and processor and video card and memory for this? If you can help me, I thank you very much.

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2017, 03:03:47 am »
Currently what is better windows and mame version to get the best graphics and performance in the games? And equipment. What is the best motherboard and processor and video card and memory for this? If you can help me, I thank you very much.
These questions interested me too :) For information I play 15khz games only ;)
I bought a HD 6450 graphic card but I'm searching for the best mb, best CPU, and how many ram I need to run all 15khz games as original hardware on my PAL CRT TV.
Thank you! :)
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2017, 07:40:56 am »
I bought a HD 6450 graphic card but I'm searching for the best mb, best CPU, and how many ram I need to run all 15khz games as original hardware on my PAL CRT TV.
If 15kHz includes the PS2 or Wii, both of which normally output 480i, then you'll need something like an older i5 at minimum. Motherboard is whatever runs with the CPU you find, and RAM is 4GB.

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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2017, 08:33:59 am »
No buttersoft, when I talk about 15khz I mean MVS, CPS I, II,and III, ST-V etc... Not PS2 or Gamecube ;)

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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2017, 02:57:40 pm »
Nobody to help us?... :(

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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2017, 07:59:20 pm »
It's a slow board,  sometimes :)

Any CPU of the Core2 generation or newer will handle that games list. ST-V might chug a little until you get one of the higher Core2's though. Scan your local classifieds/craigslist for somebody's old Core2 PC, mb?  GB RAM and whichever motherboard runs or comes with the CPU you find.

If you're looking to buy new, something like a $30 A4 APU with integrated Radeon GPU, and a $70 mobo would be fine. 4GB RAM is probably minimum. But then your 6450 is surplus :)

You could also look into a retropi, those are a bit cheaper. Probably not able to handle ST-V well. And i know nothing about setting one up to get native video modes out of them or even how to run MAME on one.
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Re: GroovyMame - Windows XP vs Windows 7
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2017, 12:21:01 am »
Thanks for your reply, buttersoft! :)
Now, my CPU is a Xeon X3380. I have an ATI X300 graphic card and 4GB ram. Mame version is 0.158. My OS is XP PRO 64 bits. I saw Windows 7 is better than XP about input lag so I wonder if I can find a better CPU and the best MB with the good RAM to play on Win 7 as I played exactly on original CPS and MVS and some 3D games as Radiant Silvergun.
Another question: is it possible to have Calamity drivers with my HD6450 on XP or is it just for Windows 7?
I'm sure Calamity has the perfect set (CPU, MB, GPU and settings etc...) but I'm sure he keeps the secret just for him... :D Unfortunatly  :-[
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