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Generic Eric:

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--- Quote ---He's just a smuggler that turned his back on the rest of the Galaxy.

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THIS bothers me, I feel like this is completely out of character for the Han I know.

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This is completely 100% in character. He reverted to form to deal with his loss.

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Anyone who has dealt with the loss of a child knows too well how it dashes your dreams and hopes for what might have been. Not only is the child gone, but a part of you is gone too. Not being able to be a father, how to teach a child the true lessons in life. There is no manual for this. There is no "right way" to act.
Having said that. That is the exact reason why there was such a striking plot hole. We never saw Han go through any of that. If they weren't going to spell it out, the could have at least wrote some novels about it. A comic even FFS!

harveybirdman:
I get that, and I know the whole Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo story.

It's just too much compelling material is left out of the script so we can have action sequences that are too long and CGI space creatures.

I think people forget that overall I still find it a decent movie, I'm just upset that they played it safe and relied far too heavily on nostalgia and spectacle. I've got no problem with a return to a "Hero's Journey," and I am okay with some of the similarities with a New Hope, but they bit off more than they can chew and it shows.

It's nothing that can't be fixed, and everything isn't ruined (as it was with the Phantom Menace)

dkersten:

--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 21, 2015, 02:29:31 pm ---I get that, and I know the whole Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo story.

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Just throw out any knowledge there, the extended universe as we know it is dead and buried now. They didn't even use the kids' names ffs. I mean, why do they have to completely pretend that none of the story was written and marketed as the "OFFICIAL STORY" as sanctioned by Lucasfilm? Frankly, I could have overlooked pretty much everything wrong with the last 4 movies if they had just stuck to, at the minimum, the bones of the story they authorized and endorsed. But this is a dead argument now.. any hope of even using a little of the far superior story in the books is completely gone.

Frankly I think they covered the loss and the reason for him leaving and all that, but I think it deserved a little more. One of the early previews had a dialogue bit by Luke talking about how his family is strong in the force. Perhaps there is more there that would explain the history but it hit the cutting room floor. I think him leaving was true to character, and with the loss of his son and then the loss of his ship, he needed some kind of "win" before he could really make it back.

harveybirdman:
There is so much to explore with many of the characters. They really needed a scene with Solo and Ren before the death scene. I don't care if it was a flashback or what. Something had to happen to get the audience more emotionally invested in that scene, I feel that it probably should have taken place in Episode 8.

One of the things that's bothering me is that we just have to accept that all of the sudden a Stormtrooper who is supposedly (according to General Hux) conditioned from birth to be a loyal to the core fighting machine growing a conscious. At first we're led to believe that perhaps Finn is force sensitive which I find compelling. However he spends the rest of the movie running away and it seems that the force sensitive thing was some sort of gotcha moment to distract you that Rey was the real Jedi (which was obvious from the start with the parallels to Anakin Skywalker, so why even pretend Finn might be a future Jedi?)

BadMouth:

--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 21, 2015, 02:29:31 pm ---I'm just upset that they played it safe and relied far too heavily on nostalgia and spectacle.
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The hardcore fan who bought my ticket would have been greatly disappointed without the massive doses of nostalgia and spectacle.
He is drawn to big crowds, loud noises, flashing lights, hyperspin, etc. He was overjoyed with the movie.
On leaving the movie I brought up not so subtle hints, foreshadowing, remaining mysteries, etc.
He didn't spend any time thinking about any of it.

Not everyone's mind works the same way.
A deep and thoughtful story bores the crap out of a lot of people.

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