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| B2K24:
I saw TFA for the second time in 24 hours. Once on Friday night and again on Saturday night. Here are some of my thoughts on it. The two biggest complaints I've read online is Rey getting her powers very easily and the movie/starkiller resembling IV ANH too much. If you compare Rey to what Luke was in the beginning of IV ANH, Rey is considerably WAY more skilled and powerful. I suspect her midichlorian count to be much higher. Also, Remember that Luke got knocked out by 2 or 3 sand people compared to Rey having the ability to defend and fight off an attack to steal her droid. What really struck me is when Finn witnessed Rey fighting off the attack then Rey turned to Finn after BB-8 alerted her. Finn ran in the complete opposite direction from a great distance away and in 2 seconds Rey is coming down from the sky completely intercepting him resulting in her knocking him to the ground. My conclusion is many times in her early life she was using or tapping into her power without ever realizing she specifically had the power of the force. Especially because her life was so rough and hard. I also made sure to concentrate when the flashback or Force vision occurred when she first touched the lightsaber. I'm 90% sure I heard the voice of Palpatine. But because the voice only came out of one of the rear theater speakers it was difficult to make it out. Also, when it shows Rey as a little girl it seems to be the Jakku vendor that hands out portions to the scavengers that it taking her by the hand. As far as the alternative plots go; when they do the switching, does anyone remember what they did in V and VI? Realistically, you are only going to care about the lightsabre fight at that point and not anything else right?. Did you really care about flying bikes and fuzzy creatures or were you anxious as hell for them to get back to Luke and Vader? If they didn't do some pointless big star than what really could they have done with some flying dudes and some people? Maybe some more lore or story at that point? The reality is nothing is going to top the outcome of the fight so it wouldn't matter what direction they took on that. If the entire movie was some completely original concept, then it would just be another Sci-Fi firm with the entire fanbase saying "this isn't Star Wars" and being completely let down. I personally loved all the humor and all the nods to the previous movies. You have to also look at what Disney has done here and compare them to a company like Konami currently is. They will adjust and flock to what they think the market is while at the same time trying to get value on what they have purchased. With this film they have a male role model in Finn and a female role model in Rey. This could potentially get a lot of kids to look into the older movies as well as selling a lot of merchandise that's already out there. Not to mention the potential that movies VIII and VIIII will bring as more information is released and loose ends are tied up with the story. |
| harveybirdman:
I got no problem with Rey using the force. Kylo being injured is enough explanation for me. And it was clearly a novice battle as it should be. Again the problem for me is the writing. I have a feeling this thing was edited to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and important stuff was lost to post production. But you're telling me General Solo, the famous pilot in both Death Star battles isn't even mourned by the resistance? He'll he got a medal in the first film, with all the pirating of elements from a new hope we can't have a meaningful service at the end? Also that scene you are crapping on in ROTJ is one of if not the best sequences in Star Wars history. I for one love the pacing and the jumping between battles. It's not just about Luke and Vader it's a culmination of the entire struggle between the Empire and the Rebellion, good vs evil, the crux of Star Wars. I'm calling it like it is. They missed completely in fleshing out the setting of this movie. They made established characters act outside of their characters, and yet they took no risk by taking the plot in any direction that it had never been before. All that said, it's not ruined. The prequels were ruined at this point the last time around so there is reason for optimism still. There is still compelling story to tell. |
| Donkey_Kong:
Mad respect for anything business that can do a quarter billion in three days. Haha. Haven't seen it, not a Star Wars buff. Just had to throw my two cents in. |
| CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 20, 2015, 05:05:10 pm ---Again the problem for me is the writing. I have a feeling this thing was edited to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and important stuff was lost to post production. --- End quote --- This, although I have trouble throwing writing (say what you want about JJ: Kasdan was there too) under the bus for editing. My guess would be that there is a lot of backstory that they couldn't disclose in an efficient manner and folks like us notice the gaps amidst the action. There were quite a few elements that look to be MacGuffins on the screen that I bet were well-plotted on the page. I do think that perhaps they had trouble deciding how to approach Rey as the next Anakin and honestly fumbled the ball because we all hated Anakin in the prequels, so they avoided dealing with it. The whole thing felt like it moved too fast and would have been better handled with an additional hour or two of running time. The worlds felt lived-in (a big issue for me with the prequels vs originals) and I cared about the characters. I think the casting for Rey and Finn was spot on. Can take or leave Poe (thought he should have been left dead). Fassbender would have been the better choice for Kylo Ren, but Driver did well. All in all, I enjoyed it and is definitely better than 4 of the previous films. That is no small feat with the most dedicated fandom in history waiting for you to ---fudgesicle--- up. Anybody who undertakes the task of contributing to that universe has serious intenstinal fortitude and gets a :applaud: from me. |
| dkersten:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 20, 2015, 05:05:10 pm ---And it was clearly a novice battle as it should be. --- End quote --- Agree 100%.. Kylo Ren is a novice, a wannabe TRYING to be like Vader but knows he isn't good enough. His tantrums and whiney immature attitude prove that. And clearly Rey (or is it Rae?) is skilled in hand to hand fighting. She grew up in an environment where she had to fight for every scrap. In fact, it wasn't until half way through the fight that she realized she could use the force to help. She knew the legends/rumors about the force, which is why when she tried to use it on the stormtrooper it failed at first. Figuring out how to do something is half about knowing it can be done and half about connecting the dots. I do wish they had gotten into this a little more, but: --- Quote ---I have a feeling this thing was edited to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and important stuff was lost to post production. --- End quote --- This!! I think the editing is the problem with this movie. I think they tried to pare it down and ultimately conceded to the money people who wanted the action, not the story. Yes, it made a TON of money, but that's because it is a franchise that is well established. Star Wars sold out to the franchising long ago and that hasn't changed. However, look at the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies. That PROVES you can have a well developed story line and still make billions. I think someone along the way made an executive decision to cut some little pieces that were small details that true fans would thrive on, in favor of action scenes that enamor the next generation and make them customers. --- Quote ---But you're telling me General Solo, the famous pilot in both Death Star battles isn't even mourned by the resistance? He got a medal in the first film, with all the pirating of elements from a new hope we can't have a meaningful service at the end? --- End quote --- While I agree and wish they had done a mourning scene for him instead of sending Rey after Luke as an ending to the movie, I'm not convinced the Resistance is the Rebellion. I mean, why did they change their name if they are the same entity? I kind of see them as a new rebellion, the result of Leia and a few others deciding that the Republic isn't doing a good enough job so they are doing what the Republic can't (or won't) do. Either way, even though it is made up of a few of the old school Rebellion, Han wasn't a part of it. His death wasn't in some heroic effort to save the Resistance, it was a personal effort to save his son, the guy who is a part of a group that just killed hundreds of billions of people. Why make him a hero? He's just a smuggler that turned his back on the rest of the Galaxy. |
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