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| Ian:
--- Quote from: BadMouth on December 18, 2015, 09:05:18 am --- --- Quote from: Ian on December 18, 2015, 01:22:39 am ---I am a total Star Wars Purist... And I thought JJ nailed it perfectly. The only gripe would be Carrie Fishers botox injections... --- End quote --- I wasn't aware of the botox injections, but it explains a lot. I kept waiting for her to start acting, but she never made a single facial expression. :lol It was definitely better than the prequels. This was more true to the world created in the originals. One of the things that bothered me about episode 1 was that the style of everything strayed too far from the originals. I know it was supposed to be an earlier time, but not that much earlier. --- End quote --- ha ha ha... Well I guess George Lucas was just too much into the spectacle and flash of it all... (besides ya gotta sell toys!) I agree with you 100%. It felt to me to be closer to a cartoon than part of the Star Wars universe. |
| harveybirdman:
Stylistically they nailed it, but Howard is dead on about the script. Add me to the Carrie Fisher's performance was awful list... I mean seriously, you son turned to the dark side, you've been estranged from your baby daddy for 15 plus years and you fail to have any emotion at all upon seeing him and an inappropriate amount of emotion at his death? There were many problems, at least this time around though we have great visuals and no Jake Lloyd. I loved Rey, Ren, and Finn, they were very well acted even with bad dialogue at times. But Phasma was a useless character and so was the mas kaneda or whatever her name was.... horrible lines and a CGI character for what? Oooh you're supposed to get that I'm a oracle type character that sets our heroes on the right path... Meh... and the Cantina "Song" that JJ was so proud of? It sucked, just another of a ridiculous line of allegorical references to past films exploited for cheap emotional plays on the audience. |
| Ian:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 18, 2015, 10:00:50 am --- But Phasma was a useless character and so was the mas kaneda or whatever her name was.... horrible lines and a CGI character for what? Oooh you're supposed to get that I'm a oracle type character that sets our heroes on the right path... Meh... and the Cantina "Song" that JJ was so proud of? It sucked, just another of a ridiculous line of allegorical references to past films exploited for cheap emotional plays on the audience. --- End quote --- You gotta understand there will be more movies... that is the beauty of it. So any characters you felt were short changed will be back. Look at Boba Fett, that dude had like 5 lines in the movie. Hell we didn't even know the dudes name until he haphazardly fell into the sarlac pit. Yet everyone says he is a bad ass character. Phasma could be something to keep an eye on in future movies. And yes there were a few nods and a bit "cover songy" when it came to the plot. It was very similar to A New Hope, but to me that is what I want in a Star Wars movie. It was funnier than anything we have seen to this point, it had great action, I thought the characters were fun and nailed their parts perfectly and I think it opens us up to a lot of good stuff going forward. It was emotionally satisfying when JJ and the rest of the crew had almost stupid expectations and to be able to deliver to the level they did was not only impressive it was almost a miracle it turned out as great as it did. It's not perfect but hell there are probably 5 perfect movies in the world. I thought they did an unbelievable job. |
| harveybirdman:
I understand having plot holes for subsequent movies to fill, but I feel like the audience was duped by HEY IT'S STAR WARS YOU LOVE IT, pay no attention that the plot is riddled with holes and advancing at light speed. I don't feel like my expectations were stupid. I had high hopes after reading plot leaks, many of the main conventions of the story are still appealing to me. But my biggest fear from the get go was that it would be a cash grab only with minimal focus on artistry of the story. At least they got the artistry of the style perfect. I didn't mind a nod here or there to the OT, but it was WAY overdone and exactly JJ's formula. Which obviously is more about making financially successful movies than it is about being caretaker of what has become a transcendent mythology of our time. That's what bothers me the most, is that too few people care about making a coherent continuation of the mythos that is so fleshed out that there is little excuse to not adequately explain the political environment of the galaxy. Hell even the prequels managed to get that right. Why would Luke even have a map to himself in the first place? Why does the First order spend quintillions of space dollars on a weapon that can only fire twice? Have they not learned their lesson? Starkiller base was completely unnecessary, as were the space pirates and CGI creatures aboard Han's freighter. Also isn't a bit convenient that Han and Chewie just happened to be flying by a prostrate Millennium Falcon? Why was the Janitor on a strike mission to Jakku? It goes on and on.... I'm happy that Abrams isn't returning, maybe we can get an Episode 8 that puts things back on track. |
| BadMouth:
Well, since nobody else seems to have seen it yet...... --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 18, 2015, 03:24:05 pm --- Which obviously is more about making financially successful movies than it is about being caretaker of what has become a transcendent mythology of our time. --- End quote --- I am not a hardcore fan. When I watch the old movies I see Hollywood money makers of the time, not transcendent mythology. I think the reverence for them is blown way out of proportion to what they actually were. Star Wars feels more like fantasy than science fiction to me, so I don't have the same expectation of things being explained. --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 18, 2015, 03:24:05 pm ---Why would Luke even have a map to himself in the first place? --- End quote --- So he could be found when the time was right. --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 18, 2015, 03:24:05 pm ---Why does the First order spend quintillions of space dollars on a weapon that can only fire twice? Have they not learned their lesson? Starkiller base was completely unnecessary --- End quote --- I'm sure the senate being obliterated will play a role in the following chapters. Two shots would have destroyed both the government and the military of the resistance. No need for a third. :) I agree about rehashing the old story though. Another series of bombing runs down a metal canyon? again? --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 18, 2015, 03:24:05 pm ---Also isn't a bit convenient that Han and Chewie just happened to be flying by a prostrate Millennium Falcon? --- End quote --- They were actively scanning for it. They commented that if they could pick it up easily that the first order also could. That's why they were looking for a different ship to transport BB-8 to the resistance. --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 18, 2015, 03:24:05 pm --- Why was the Janitor on a strike mission to Jakku? --- End quote --- I got nothing for that one. :lol |
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