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BYOAC - your one-stop shop for free artwork
yotsuya:
I get what Opt is saying: making an account to simply ask for artwork made for someone else's project seems wrong. Introduce yourself first, at least.
Vigo:
Some forums I have been on require all new members post on an "introduce yourself" thread before you can start any new threads. I think it was both an anti spam measure and a way to promote members to be more comfortable with being a member and not just an outsider asking questions.
Would that sort of function be a benefit here?
ChanceKJ:
for lack of better judgment i feel i'd like to weigh in here. (i have a feeling I'm going to regret typing this, but i just want to make a point)...
Why does this really matter Opt? You seem intent on jumping into this and fighting an internet battle here:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,147778.0.html
The guy comes in, asks a question, and the first post is you kinda kicking dirt in his face. And by the end of it you tell him to take a hike off to KLOV. Why couldn't you have just done what the rest of us who saw it did and clicked the "Back" button on your browser? It's kinda along the lines of: "if you don't have anything nice to say..."
doesn't make for an inviting place, hell, the guy apologizes to you in his own thread third post in. Even if he was lying through his teeth, so what if he's going to take it and sell it? we can't police the internet. I would have just ignored the thread and moved on. (like i should be doing here)......
Better question: Why is the BYOAC turning into Reddit?!
Ok: ROMs, sure, companies want to make sure they could still make a profit off of a playable chunk of customer entertaining IP. Hell, they could release it on a "Best of" Anthology on XBoxLive, or something. TOTALY get that.
Artwork... i mean, i don't see Konami sending out the law team to flip desks over a set of repro Turtles In Time art. Lets be honest, Arcades and arcade cabs are NOT coming back in any capacity that they enjoyed back in the day. Is it still violating a copyright, YES. Is it policed? No, not really. The worst you'd see is a cease and desist to Saint asking for the removal of the offending art.
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: ChanceKJ on October 17, 2015, 05:53:50 am ---for lack of better judgment i feel i'd like to weigh in here. (i have a feeling I'm going to regret typing this, but i just want to make a point)...
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Is that like the accidental rudeness that the kids find so unavoidable?
--- Quote from: ChanceKJ on October 17, 2015, 05:53:50 am ---Why does this really matter Opt?
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You know, I understand his frustration -- stick around long enough and something like this will happen for you too. Stuff like this is one of thee reasons even active old-timers leave (we all hang out together in a sort of purgatorial back alley, swigging beers, watching garbage trucks and griping about the ungrateful kids and their entitlement issues).
You are also right in what you say, although your balance of judging Opt vs judging the art leech is kinda tilted. And KLOV is actually where I would go to find scans of original artwork, if I didn't know all the secret stashes.
--- Quote from: ChanceKJ on October 17, 2015, 05:53:50 am ---Better question: Why is the BYOAC turning into Reddit?!
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See above re: Lack of Judgment, Regret and Accidental Rudeness :dunno
Seriously, it's always been like that -- Xiaou2's been riding this particular horse since before I got here -- it goes in waves.
--- Quote from: ChanceKJ on October 17, 2015, 05:53:50 am ---Ok: ROMs, sure, companies want to make sure they could still make a profit off of a playable chunk of customer entertaining IP. Hell, they could release it on a "Best of" Anthology on XBoxLive, or something. TOTALY get that.
Artwork... i mean, i don't see Konami sending out the law team to flip desks over a set of repro Turtles In Time art. Lets be honest, Arcades and arcade cabs are NOT coming back in any capacity that they enjoyed back in the day. Is it still violating a copyright, YES. Is it policed? No, not really. The worst you'd see is a cease and desist to Saint asking for the removal of the offending art.
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I agree intellectually with this (always have), but the real measure is what is worth it and what isn't. And you know what, we don't get to decide that. Last I checked this place doesn't make any money and it's Saint's BBQ. If I had to guess, I would think that the legal exposure of this place is much more than we might think (Hell, I got a takedown notice for arcade artwork on my old personal site). Sadly legal costs are real and don't succumb to having a good argument or even being right.
Whatever Saint's comfortable with is fine by me and you buncha whippersnappers should be damned grateful for it! :oldman
JDFan:
--- Quote from: ChanceKJ on October 17, 2015, 05:53:50 am ---Why does this really matter Opt? You seem intent on jumping into this and fighting an internet battle here:
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Did you ever think it might matter to him more because he is trying to make some $$ selling original artwork ?? Figure everyone of those users that use existing work is one less paying customer for him and rather than lower his prices to compete, he'd rather not have the existing work available for free, so that his work could be charged more in line with his expectations of what it is worth and he wouldn't have to deal with so many "YOU WANT HOW MUCH FOR JUST SOME ARTWORK" -- the more art that is out there to download for free or next to it, the less he can charge before the customers complain about the cost - so understandable that it would be upsetting to someone that is trying to make some $ selling his work.
--- Quote from: ChanceKJ on October 17, 2015, 05:53:50 am ---Ok: ROMs, sure, companies want to make sure they could still make a profit off of a playable chunk of customer entertaining IP. Hell, they could release it on a "Best of" Anthology on XBoxLive, or something. TOTALY get that.
Artwork... i mean, i don't see Konami sending out the law team to flip desks over a set of repro Turtles In Time art. Lets be honest, Arcades and arcade cabs are NOT coming back in any capacity that they enjoyed back in the day. Is it still violating a copyright, YES. Is it policed? No, not really. The worst you'd see is a cease and desist to Saint asking for the removal of the offending art.
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Figure the end user isn't going to see a lawyer knocking down their door for either the Roms or the Artwork for their home use as most of these corporations have been bought and sold so many times that most of them are unaware of what specific content they own and what other legal uses have been sold and to what companies. So like you say they may send out a cease and disist but they aren't going to try and enforce it if you do not comply.
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