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[harveybirdman]

I can't see it at work and it isn't on the site for posterity

[yotsuya]

One thing that would make me a lot less cantankerous is if you noobs would please start posting your images here at the forums instead of hot linking them from image sites.

see that link that says attachments and other options at the bottom of the Post Reply section?  That's where they go.  If you want to post them in the image thread then link them to your build thread that's cool too.

Just curious - what's wrong with hot linking the images?

Because 2-3 years down the road, when you cancel your Imgur/Instagram/Flickr account, all the photos go with you, resulting in threads with gaps and no images. It's an issue.

[vwalbridge]

One thing that would make me a lot less cantankerous is if you noobs would please start posting your images here at the forums instead of hot linking them from image sites.

see that link that says attachments and other options at the bottom of the Post Reply section?  That's where they go.  If you want to post them in the image thread then link them to your build thread that's cool too.

Just curious - what's wrong with hot linking the images?

Because 2-3 years down the road, when you cancel your Imgur/Instagram/Flickr account, all the photos go with you, resulting in threads with gaps and no images. It's an issue.

I agree with this. Really sucks to visit an old thread just to have broken image links.

However, at risk of catching heat for this, I'm a habitual Photobucket image linker.

Sorry, but embedding images in this forum is cumbersome. Call me lazy, but there ain't nothing easier than mass uploading all my photos at once to Photobucket and then dropping the url in my thread.

With some users having rotated images, freakin' way over-sized images, and images all packed at the end of a post....I'll continue to use Photobucket.

***braces for impact***

[scoodidabop]

Oh, right. Makes perfect sense.  I'm extremely guilty of this so I'll spend some time eliminating all my hotlinks.

[BadMouth]

I had two or three small project threads here before I caught on.
It really sank in when I went back to a motorcycle forum that I used to frequent.  I needed to reference pics from my own threads, but they were all gone.  Hadn't used the photobucket account in years or something.

Spent a slow day at work transferring BYOAC pics from flickr to here.

My one great failure is linking to ebay pics of epic fail guy's Star Wars Pachinko machine instead of downloading and attaching the photos.
Picture a random pachinko machine with pictures cut out of star wars posters glued to it and 3 or 4 star wars action figures glued to the top.  Yeah, words don't do it justice. 

[rablack97]

because whenever your hotlink site goes away so do the photos.....

site has lost a lot of good documentation photos that way, when member leaves their hotlinked photos usually follow.

[Vigo]

I can't see it at work and it isn't on the site for posterity

My work filters out most image sites as well. Kills the experience of following a projet.

[winnydapoo]

Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it 

The tone has changed here lately, but then it has a lot over the years too.  I think it's the most passive aggressive and sarcastic it has been in a long time though.

In my opinion, there have always been two interesting perspectives on the cabinet building hobby, those who see it as art and those who see it as science. At the moment the science side is shouting the loudest but it to-and-fros all the time. When the Arcscientists are winning, it usually means that a whole bunch of stuff that is fundamentally choice or preference gets sold as right or wrong, but it's up to the individual builder to decide how they take the sales pitch. Arcscientists win hands down on restoration project advice though 

And don't forget not everyone wants to learn by being told, they want to learn by doing and making the mistakes. No matter how much you want to tell them there's a truck coming, they are still going to try to cross the road 

[BadMouth]

Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it 

The tone has changed here lately, but then it has a lot over the years too.  I think it's the most passive aggressive and sarcastic it has been in a long time though.

In my opinion, there have always been two interesting perspectives on the cabinet building hobby, those who see it as art and those who see it as science. At the moment the science side is shouting the loudest but it to-and-fros all the time. When the Arcscientists are winning, it usually means that a whole bunch of stuff that is fundamentally choice or preference gets sold as right or wrong, but it's up to the individual builder to decide how they take the sales pitch. Arcscientists win hands down on restoration project advice though 

And don't forget not everyone wants to learn by being told, they want to learn by doing and making the mistakes. No matter how much you want to tell them there's a truck coming, they are still going to try to cross the road 

Eh, I thought the opposite.  I thought people were insisting on plain 2 player, 6 button setups based solely on aesthetics.

A lot of it is the constant back and forth.  Drop your opinion and walk away.  PBJ gets away with PBJing because he drops a deuce and walks away.  He doesn't parley it into a multipage debate.

[pbj]

I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution.  At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.

[Token]

I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution.  At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.

Wait. That happened? 

I only have the first edition.

[saint]

I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution.  At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.

Dude... Not a single picture appeared in my book that I didn't have to obtain full legal permission for. My publisher wouldn't allow it. I had to send them a form and have them sign it granting permission.

This is some kind of stupid ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.

Feel free to ask anyone whose pictures appeared in the books.

Also, there aren't likely to be anymore books.

Boggle.

[saint]

I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution.  At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.

Wait. That happened? 

No. Not that I'm aware of. Not that has ever been brought to my attention that I recall.

[pbj]

Perhaps "future book" may have been a better choice of words rather than "another one." 

[CheffoJeffo]

I'd rather you just didn't comment and force me to point out that YOU didn't need to comment in a negative mannor for no reason.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[yotsuya]

I'd rather you just didn't comment and force me to point out that YOU didn't need to comment in a negative mannor for no reason.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

EXACTLY.

[saint]

I'd rather you just didn't comment and force me to point out that YOU didn't need to comment in a negative mannor for no reason.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

It really warms the cockles of my heart to see Cheffo Jeffo posting

[CheffoJeffo]

Kinda afraid to ask about how cold those cockles were.

 

Glad the place hasn't burnt down, although I gather folks have been trying.

[ark_ader]

I really do not see what the big deal is here.  You see someone make a build and if you comment, it is your opinion.  Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.  Some of you guys make lovely cabinet builds, and I can attribute , that these skills are very difficult to obtain.  Most times you can only stare in wonder, what thoughts were going through their heads when they (and we know who they are) make objectionable builds.

Like others have said, it is the builders money that goes into these projects, but if we can make a constructive criticism of their progress, without igniting the entire community, then it must be said.

I read this entire thread.  And the old me would revel in it, but now I think the attitude is rather pointless and a waste of time.

Probably what you are thinking of this reply too!

[wp34]

Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.

Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well? 

[yotsuya]

Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.

Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?

Heh.

l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.

[vwalbridge]

l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.

[wp34]

Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.

Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?

Heh.

l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.

That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism.  I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned.  It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.

[yotsuya]

Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.

Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?

Heh.

l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.

That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism.  I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned.  It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.

Oh. Well, I have more respect for posters who can roll with the punches than those who fly off the handle. Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?

[wp34]

Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.

Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?

Heh.

l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.

That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism.  I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned.  It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.

Oh. Well, I have more respect for posters who can roll with the punches than those who fly off the handle. Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?

Me too but I have tremendous respect for forum members who can give thoughtful civil feedback.

[yotsuya]

Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game.  You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.

Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?

Heh.

l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.

That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism.  I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned.  It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.

Oh. Well, I have more respect for posters who can roll with the punches than those who fly off the handle. Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?

Me too but I have tremendous respect for forum members who can give thoughtful civil feedback.

Agreed.

[BadMouth]

In the time I've been here there has been a shift in the Project Announcements threads from basically having a build log with requests and responses for things related to the build to banter and conversation, often veering far away from the build.  It annoyed me at first, but I got used to it. 
I blame Rick & Griff/Maximus.

It still annoys me when people post more pics of their own build in thread than the OP has of the build the thread is supposed to be about.

[yotsuya]

In the time I've been here there has been a shift in the Project Announcements threads from basically having a build log with requests and responses for things related to the build to banter and conversation, often veering far away from the build.  It annoyed me at first, but I got used to it. 
I blame Rick & Griff/Maximus.

It still annoys me when people post more pics of their own build in thread than the OP has of the build the thread is supposed to be about.

Good insight. I don't disagree with it. Especially the second point about people posting their own pictures in other people's threads. It's okay if they're showing someone how they did something if requested , but I've seen it used when people basically say "hey you stole my idea", which I find annoying.

[yotsuya]

Also, I really miss restorations. The first things that really attracted me to this site weren't the MAME builds, they were the restorations being done.

[harveybirdman]

The proper way to show examples in someone else's build thread is by link.

I love seeing restorations as well.

[Token]

Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?

Yeah, that was educational. It was soon after I signed up here.

He was from NYC and was setting up a game-room. He wanted everyone to tell him how great he was for paying someone else to build his pedestal. It had angled joysticks, among other problems. He straight-up posted a "do you like this?" thread and then cried when everyone said no.

He also liked reminding everyone how rich he was.

...And then he did it all over again at KLOV. 

[yotsuya]

Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?

Yeah, that was educational. It was soon after I signed up here.

He was from NYC and was setting up a game-room. He wanted everyone to tell him how great he was for paying someone else to build his pedestal. It had angled joysticks, among other problems. He straight-up posted a "do you like this?" thread and then cried when everyone said no.

He also liked reminding everyone how rich he was.

...And then he did it all over again at KLOV. 

Now he does it on Pinside.

[Token]

A summary of the good advice from this thread:

1. If you are going to ask for feedback, be ready to have your build's flaws and problems pointed out to you. Roll with the punches. Understand that the experts are not easily impressed and their standards are higher than yours.

2. If you are posting feedback, be civil.

3. Don't hot-link images. Post them in the stickied "NOT A PROJECT..." thread, and then use that url to post in your own thread. That way your images are here for posterity after your geocities site goes down.

4. Don't hijack other people's build threads with your own images. If you want to reference another project in someone else's build thread, post a hyperlink.

[CheffoJeffo]

Funny you mention Kaneda ... my post from his first grilling, coincidentally the last time I stopped in to post and said the same thing about change:

The more things change, the more they stay the same ...

Bragging on aircraft carrier. Check.
Angled sticks. Check.
Strange button spacing. Check.
Assorted folks poking fun. Check.
Assorted folks saying "don't be mean". Check.
"It isn't worth my time do it, or any research, because I has teh greatz job, unlike you looserz". Check.
Xiaou being a critical ass ("I worked in an arcade, yo") and saying that everybody else is mean. Check.
Ark hating everything and everybody. Check.

Whoa ... wait ... pbj is back!?!?!?

Not all of these apply here, but certainly Xiaou2 is doing the same old thing and it seems perhaps that Ark has changed. 

[yotsuya]

Nice list, Token.

I would like to add the following. Maybe these are just "Just Me" things, but since BadMouth pointed out something he noticed, I'd like to point out some things I've noticed.

1. Don't start a Project Announcement Thread unless you have something done. Seems like we've been getting PA threads started as placeholders before anything has even been planned.

2. Keep your questions in your build thread. Some guy recently made a build thread... then made a monitor thread for the same build that wasn't even a technical question... then a joystick thread regarding the same build... then a control panel thread regarding the same build.... keep it all in one place and it's easier to follow along.

and

3. Please do some research before you start asking the obvious questions. Ark-ader brought it up the other day in another thread - it seems like recently there has been an influx of people wanted to be led through the process, step by step, hand held the whole way. Part of the fun for me was figuring stuff out. I was scared to death of wiring my own panel as was **this close** to buying a Tankstick. I was scared to death of CRT monitor as was **this close** to keeping things LCD. But by researching first, then trying what I found in my research, then asking questions if I needed to, I've gained a skillset that has helped me in many more ways than arcade collecting.

[vwalbridge]

1. Don't start a Project Announcement Thread unless you have something done. Seems like we've been getting PA threads started as placeholders before anything has even been planned.

The only thing worse than this is creating an account just to post a final showcase picture of their build. Then never to be heard from again.

PS - And why do builders have time to write a wall of text about everything they accomplished this weekend just to also tell you they will post pictures of their progress when they have time. 

[pbj]

PS - And why do builders have time to write a wall of text about everything they accomplished this weekend just to also tell you they will post pictures of their progress when they have time. 

I'm flat out amazed how many regulars around here seem to be completely stumped at the process of taking and uploading a photo.

Makes you wonder how many of those projects and "weird cabinet I recently picked up" really exist.

[ark_ader]

PS - And why do builders have time to write a wall of text about everything they accomplished this weekend just to also tell you they will post pictures of their progress when they have time. 

I'm flat out amazed how many regulars around here seem to be completely stumped at the process of taking and uploading a photo.

Makes you wonder how many of those projects and "weird cabinet I recently picked up" really exist.

Guilty as charged.  I took pictures of my Stargate and will post them in whatever format is deemed appropriate.  Thanks for reminding me Jim.   

[Token]

Hey guise! I just found this weird arcade cabinet thing on the side of the road. It is in perfect condition but I need your help figuring out what it is.

It seems to be made from fiberglass? There is a metal plate showing it was made by some company I've never heard of... "Syzygy Engineering" The serial number is 9001.

I'll post a picture as soon as I can figure out how to sync my Polaroid with my MySpace account!

[yotsuya]

Hey guise! I just found this weird arcade cabinet thing on the side of the road. It is in perfect condition but I need your help figuring out what it is.

It seems to be made from fiberglass? There is a metal plate showing it was made by some company I've never heard of... "Syzygy Engineering" The serial number is 9001.

I'll post a picture as soon as I can figure out how to sync my Polaroid with my MySpace account!

Too soon, bro. Too soon.