Author Topic: Windows 10 (Read 7638 times)

DaOld Man · « **on:** August 01, 2015, 08:42:52 am »

Anyone have any experience with Microsofts latest?
I would like to read personal thoughts on it before I upgrade to it on my desktop PC.

Phreakwars · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:31:31 pm »

I've had the technical preview installed on a couple of machines here at the house... for the most part, I really like Windows 10. Microsoft got alot of things right this time that they royally screwed up in Windows 8.. specifically, that stupid Metro interface is now gone. They brought back the task bar and put all that Metro junk there instead. My only real beef with it, is they no longer have Windows Media Center available for it. While many people don't use it, and think it sucks.. It does serve one useful purpose, and it's what I use it for... HTPC's. If your thinking of building an HTPC, then think twice about Windows 10. I use Windows Media Center's TV tuner for my HD Homerun Prime CableCard. It's an easy way to get all the premium and HD channels from the cable company without having to pay cable box fees. Windows Media Center handles the tuner beautifully. On my HTPC, I use a wireless keyboard/touchpad, and have an WMC remote control. All the other Windows 7 computers in the house are also able to tune channels from the card. There is other software out there that will work on a CableCard network tuner, but not quite as well as WMC. If it wasn't for that, all the computers in the house would get the Windows 10 upgrade.

So yeah... I say if your not using WMC like I do, then absolutely upgrade to Windows 10... especially if your now using that crap OS Windows 8.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:37:32 pm »

Have they sent you an upgrade notification yet? I'm still waiting, which is odd because I reserved my copies and I have multiple machines with multiple specs waiting.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:16:52 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 01, 2015, 12:37:32 pm

Have they sent you an upgrade notification yet? I'm still waiting, which is odd because I reserved my copies and I have multiple machines with multiple specs waiting.

I just reserved mine last night. Havent got a notification yet.

yotsuya · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:46:31 pm »

You can download the ISO directly from Microsoft if you don't want to wait. That's what I did. Burning it to disc now, will upgrade in the next hour or so.

Link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2015, 03:53:15 pm »

Eh knowing my luck there would be a fatal glitch that only affected my hardware and brick my machines until they came out with a fix.

I'm not in any particular hurry. I've just got some rather old apps and dev tools that I want to make sure still work in 10. I see no reason why they wouldn't, but you never know.

I wonder if there is a way to get it for free on crappy old xp machines. I've got a netbook that isn't really good for anything and from what I've been reading it surprisingly runs on rather low end hardware. I won't want to put 119 bucks into a netbook that is essentially worth 30 dollars though.

yotsuya · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2015, 05:39:11 pm »

I'm installing from the disc. So far so good. The only thing I've seen that is kind of different is that it warned me that Windows Media Center would be uninstalled. I don't use it so it doesn't matter to me, but I'm curious why it's not included.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2015, 10:55:04 pm »

The rumor is that M$ is going to come out with something new. Unlike previous iterations of windows "other" os variants, 10 pi, 10 mobile, and regular old 10 all communicate with each other beautifully along with the xbox one os. So for one they might be pushing the xbox solution as a set-top-box. Also with 10 mobile your tables and phones will soon be able to run 10 and the one drive seems to be built into all new oses by default. So streaming stuff from your pc to a mobile device hooked up to your tv might be another solution. M$ might have a media stick in the works as well you know their fondness for getting into a battle that's already won years too late (zune, windows live, ect)

DaOld Man · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2015, 08:01:23 pm »

Still haven't gotten my notification yet, how about you Howard?
I was half way listening to a computer themed talk show on the radio in the truck yesterday, and if I heard correctly, they said that you get Win10 free for a year, then you decide whether or not to buy it. 100 bucks was mentioned but it might have been speculation. Wished I had been listening closer. Have any of you guys heard anything like this?

yotsuya · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2015, 08:21:42 pm »

No, no not true.

From MS faq:

Is the upgrade really free?

Yes, it’s free. This is a full version of Windows, not a trial or introductory version. It is available for a limited time: you have until July 29, 2016 to take advantage of this offer. Once you upgrade, you’ll have Windows 10 for free on that device.

yotsuya · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2015, 08:22:18 pm »

Oh, and again, just download it. I have had it running for 2 days now.

Slippyblade · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2015, 08:27:41 pm »

If you have a real copy of 7 or 8, then the upgrade to 10 is free. If you do NOT qualify for the upgrade, then it's $110.

pbj · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2015, 08:42:51 pm »

How does it do with unsigned drivers? Getting the EMS Top Guns to work in win8 was a nightmare.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #13 on:** August 03, 2015, 09:37:44 pm »

Still haven't gotten any notification, no.

The people on the radio show are probably confused. Microsoft is offering to update vista and above for free for the next year. If you don't reserve your copy within the next year you'll have to pay for the upgrade. So long as you upgrade within the year it's free from now on.

That being said, M$ is saying that 10 is the "last windows" and that it'll be continually upgraded from now on similar to how they do the dashboard on the Xboxes. We'll see how long that lasts.

Yenome · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2015, 01:30:01 am »

I been using it on my main system since july 29th no issues so far. even my DS4 controller connects and stays connected over bluetooth. so now i have the ultimate machine all i need is KI to be released for windows 10 and ill be a happy camper.

yotsuya · « **Reply #15 on:** August 04, 2015, 01:55:10 am »

I ***did*** have an issue with some fonts on web pages, but that was fixed by downloading a set of Windows 8 fonts and reinstalling them. Mine was a rollup from 7, so I didn't have the Metro fonts.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2015, 05:06:11 am »

Thanks guys, Im probably the one who is confused, I was driving and not really listening to the talk, just happened to catch that about having a year.
They were probably saying the same thing about it being free for a year then costing 100 bucks. Now where did I put my bottle of meds? LOL

BadMouth · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2015, 09:22:59 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 03, 2015, 09:37:44 pm

Microsoft is offering to update vista and above for free for the next year. If you don't reserve your copy within the next year you'll have to pay for the upgrade. So long as you upgrade within the year it's free from now on.

Whoa, I get to update my cab from Vista?!

I remember getting some vibe that there would in fact be a price to pay for the free version, in the form of more user data being shared with microsoft.
Anything to that?

Fursphere · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2015, 09:58:50 am »

To all those waiting in the 'queue'

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Download the appropriate version (32 or 64 bit), and instead of downloading the offline installer, just 'upgrade now' - effectively skipping the queue. I did three machines this way. (I reserved months ago as well)

My Core i5 machine took about 40 minutes start to finish (8.1 -> 10). Core2Duo took about 70 minutes. (7 -> 10). My crappy old laptop took hours - I let it go overnight, so I really have no idea how long it took. (7 ->10)

I ran into sound driver issues on my laptop (expected) but otherwise everything has been fine on my other two machines. My arcade cabinet PC seems to be rocking along just fine.

yotsuya · « **Reply #19 on:** August 04, 2015, 11:31:43 am »

Quote from: Fursphere on August 04, 2015, 09:58:50 am

To all those waiting in the 'queue'

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Download the appropriate version (32 or 64 bit), and instead of downloading the offline installer, just 'upgrade now' - effectively skipping the queue. I did three machines this way. (I reserved months ago as well)

My Core i5 machine took about 40 minutes start to finish (8.1 -> 10). Core2Duo took about 70 minutes. (7 -> 10). My crappy old laptop took hours - I let it go overnight, so I really have no idea how long it took. (7 ->10)

I ran into sound driver issues on my laptop (expected) but otherwise everything has been fine on my other two machines. My arcade cabinet PC seems to be rocking along just fine.

Ahem...

Quote from: yotsuya on August 01, 2015, 02:46:31 pm

You can download the ISO directly from Microsoft if you don't want to wait. That's what I did. Burning it to disc now, will upgrade in the next hour or so.

Link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Seems no one listens

DaOld Man · « **Reply #20 on:** August 04, 2015, 06:06:30 pm »

Im listening. If I don't get the confirmation by this weekend, when Im off work, I will try your suggestions.

DGP · « **Reply #21 on:** August 04, 2015, 06:15:03 pm »

I just tried win10 yesterday on a multi-cade pc and had many issues coming from win7 (reverted back to win7), honestly I would wait on the emulation based pc's since they can take many hours to set-up and fine tune. As for the OS itself it seems excellent even though it shares much with win8. I think it's too early to go win10 for an arcade platform unless all you wish to run is mame.

Ond · « **Reply #22 on:** August 04, 2015, 08:00:51 pm »

Been upgrading all my Windows PCs to this OS, really good so far. My main design PC which is a grunty i7 runs great. Better than 8.1 it's cleaner and what the MS OS should have been in the previous releases. My kids laptops which are kept up to date with patches all got there offers in the last week or so. The one thing that's a bit of a minus is the enforced updates, but meh so what.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #23 on:** August 05, 2015, 12:18:30 pm »

I'm throwing it on my extra pc as we speak. I can't seem to get any answers in regards to my more exotic software compatibility questions, so I'll just have to test myself. I've also been told that graphics cards seem to like 10 better than 7 and 8, so I want to test that as well.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2015, 12:30:20 pm »

Hmm.... after waiting a half hour for the thing to download and start the install I got the error "Windows 10 Setup could not continue, restart your computer then try again"

So I restarted and now it's downloading win 10 again?

yotsuya · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:08:51 pm »

You download the .iso?

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:44:08 pm »

No. I will eventually for backup purposes, but discs are so 2001. It seems to be doing it's thing now. 40% complete with the install.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2015, 04:37:16 pm »

Ok so far so good. I upgraded a pc that basically didn't have much of anything on it. My observations thus far: (compared to win 7)

I'm not sure how long it took to install because I was busy and just let it run, but it's safe to say it took a while.

After it actually installed, the install went smoothly. I didn't have to re-install registered apps and what-not.

Games DO seem to run a bit faster. Don't get your hopes up, it's like 4 or 5 fps on my machine, but if the game is on the cusp of running...

.net apps are MUCH faster. Ati guys, you know where opening the control center takes FOREVER? Yeah it's instant now. I don't know if .net is fully integrated or what but it's a big difference.

Hard drive access is faster. "Huh?" You say? I don't get it either, but on this machine you could load up MK: KE and the progress bar would stall and stutter as things were loaded off the HDD, but not anymore. It's also noticeable in the file explorer, but not as much.

The UI is cleaner and runs smoother. Even if something is chugging along in the background, explorer and the desktop don't stall, which is a first on windows if you ask me.

The new "edge" internet browser is crap. Mind you it's really fast and runs well, but it doesn't support extensions and plugins yet, making it fairly worthless.

Remote Xbox one mode is bad-ass. It works flawlessly and even lets me use my old 360 gamepad. It should prove useful for running those arcade games that don't get ported to the pc on a cab... assuming you use 360 gamepads for your controls of course. I've got a hard line to the xbox, you might get different results via a wireless connection, but for me at least you couldn't tell it was streaming, and there weren't any visual artifacts or lag or anything.

Window's default viewers still suck. I tried to play a video on my hdd... sound only..... codecs weren't working. I tried again on mpc and it played fine. This wasn't some exotic codec either, but rather the default youtube format.

My busted old vs6-created apps still work great, including Outrun FXT and the weird-assed hack I used to add overlays to the game, which was surprising. I want to test my busted old development tools as well. Mamehooker needs to be thoroughly tested, because, well, it does a lot of weird stuff.

Some basic tasks seem to be quicker... for example when I plugged in my 360 gamepad it didn't have to think for a while... it just installed the driver and worked almost immediately.

If somebody wants me to test something let me know.

ratsflif · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2015, 12:42:08 pm »

I have been using it on a few computers and it has been great so far.

The Xbox one streaming is really awesome and since it supports xbox 360 controllers I can now use my really nice custom fightstick on KI instead of having to buy the $200+ xbox one fight stick.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2015, 09:32:16 pm »

Here is some info we all might find very interesting about Win 10:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/05/windows-10-charging/

DaOld Man · « **Reply #30 on:** August 06, 2015, 09:35:31 pm »

Main thing I don't like is that if your hard drive crashes and you have to do a new install, windows 10 will cost you 110 shucks.
(Its only free if upgrading from 7 or 8, and a new hard drive would not be considered upgrade.)
However, 110 is cheaper than win 7 was, I don't know what win 8 new install cost.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2015, 09:46:58 pm »

That is a bit of mis-information. Your upgrade is tied to your current license key. Right now win 7 or 8 must be installed to upgrade, but that is most likely to prevent piracy and will eventually be changed. Even if it isn't, once you upgrade your license is upgraded to a win 10 license. So you may have to install win 7/8 first, which is rather convoluted, but you can still get to 10 for free.

Long story short install win 10 within the one year window. So long as you do that you are ok.

There were similar fears when vista came out in regards to only being able to change your hardware configuration X amount of times and ect. and they are largely unfounded.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2015, 10:06:27 pm »

Still no notification, however there is a folder on my hard drive C:/$Windows.~BT, Im thinking it is downloading to that folder, judging from the folders contents.
Right now the folder is 5.87 gigs, I plan to check it in the morning to see if it has grown, which would mean there is downloading going on behind the scenes.

JDFan · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2015, 10:28:47 pm »

Quote from: DaOld Man on August 06, 2015, 09:35:31 pm

Main thing I don't like is that if your hard drive crashes and you have to do a new install, windows 10 will cost you 110 shucks.
(Its only free if upgrading from 7 or 8, and a new hard drive would not be considered upgrade.)
However, 110 is cheaper than win 7 was, I don't know what win 8 new install cost.

Actually it is still free if you have to reinstall to a new HDD on the same system - when you first upgrade using your win7 win8 install and activate it will record the new upgraded key onto the activation server (not sure what it records) and then you can do a clean install and it will not ask for any key and will just activate it for you - you just can not go straight to a clean install without first upgrading and activating but once you have done that reinstall at a later time will activate fine on that system. ( I believe they still use the same MOBO requirement for it to be considered the same system)

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #34 on:** August 06, 2015, 11:06:43 pm »

Yeah that's how it's usually done. And your MB can actually be swapped out a limited number of times as well and even after that, you can call to tie the license to another machine.

Wired203 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:39:48 am »

for those who don't want to wait.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

That is the tool to download your copy and install now. You can make a bootable usb drive but don't have it ntfs formatted or it won't recognize it. You can install to the PC your on, or just download the ISO and burn a dvd to install your PC's on.

ark_ader · « **Reply #36 on:** August 07, 2015, 05:24:48 am »

Quote from: Wired203 on August 07, 2015, 12:39:48 am

for those who don't want to wait.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

That is the tool to download your copy and install now. You can make a bootable usb drive but don't have it ntfs formatted or it won't recognize it. You can install to the PC your on, or just download the ISO and burn a dvd to install your PC's on.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #37 on:** August 07, 2015, 06:30:27 am »

Ok, Checked the folder and it is still 5.87 GB.
It has a setup exe file, should I try it?
Or should I wait for the notification?

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #38 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:03:50 pm »

It's only been a week since they released it. Win 10 will be installed automatically in the upcoming weeks/months. It won't hurt though, you can always uninstall. I kind of had to because of all the weird projects I work on and even I haven't upgraded my main machine yet.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #39 on:** August 07, 2015, 01:03:00 pm »

An update for anyone this concerns (probably only me at this point). Visual Studio 6 and it's tools DO work on 10. The installer unfortunately does not due to some ridiculous decision by Microsoft to remove the stand alone java dll needed for the installer program. There is a visual studio installer for win 10 though and if you use it things install fine.

I guess that means I can update pretty soon.


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