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pbj:
Well said, xiaou. Thank you for the recap.

Howard_Casto:
I will say this, the mame devs have been out of touch for a while. They are all nice guys and I generally think they do a great job, BUT they have been known to reject code just because they don't like the way it's coded or it goes against their "philosophy". If there is a bug or the patch somehow deviates from accuracy then sure, but sorry, mame is a group project, if it works, accept it. If you don't like the way it's structured fix it yourself as you obviously know how you want it.

Driver was wrong about the 720 thing in a general sense, but he did come up with a working solution. The appropriate, mature thing to do would have been for the mame team to accept it, thank him for his efforts, and then modify it a bit so that it was more the way they wanted it, and that would have been the end of it. Maturity seems to be in short supply on the internet these days though.

I've been silent on this thread but it's been bothering me. I can't really take pleasure in the misfortune of others at this stage in my life, even if they are "bad" or if they "deserved it" I always want good things for everybody even if I'm always not that good at showing it.

SavannahLion:
It's very difficult to respect DM's coding when he goes out of his way bashing every other coder, even when he's deriving his code from their work. From the top of my head he's supposedly created the 720 "driver", Tilt Taxi, a modified BIOS, and a Linux distro with modified OpenGL (IIRC) drivers. Is that "overall" download his too?

It's the modified BIOS that basically closed his doors for me. Gotta have an excellent argument to shove a BIOS hack under the hood and he just didn't have one as most of his argument was deriding the original BIOS authors with almost no groundwork to support him. The Linux distro was a joke, simply a repackaging of an existing distro with some, from what I can tell, simple modifications to the OpenGL implementation. Again, he derided the original developers from top to bottom whose code he used to create that distro. Come to think of it, I think he made the claim at one point that that distro was ALL his code when it clearly wasn't.

He reminds me of a pissed off Steve Gibson.

I can't recall a single scrap of code or program he published that didn't involve pages and pages of technical nonsense and derisive behavior.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote from: SavannahLion on July 03, 2015, 11:58:57 pm ---It's very difficult to respect DM's coding when he goes out of his way bashing every other coder, even when he's deriving his code from their work. From the top of my head he's supposedly created the 720 "driver", Tilt Taxi, a modified BIOS, and a Linux distro with modified OpenGL (IIRC) drivers. Is that "overall" download his too?

It's the modified BIOS that basically closed his doors for me. Gotta have an excellent argument to shove a BIOS hack under the hood and he just didn't have one as most of his argument was deriding the original BIOS authors with almost no groundwork to support him. The Linux distro was a joke, simply a repackaging of an existing distro with some, from what I can tell, simple modifications to the OpenGL implementation. Again, he derided the original developers from top to bottom whose code he used to create that distro. Come to think of it, I think he made the claim at one point that that distro was ALL his code when it clearly wasn't.

He reminds me of a pissed off Steve Gibson.

I can't recall a single scrap of code or program he published that didn't involve pages and pages of technical nonsense and derisive behavior.

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Dont know anything about that... but I do know, that no dev stepped up to allow a real or recreated 720 controller until driverman.

And to tbis day... no dev has finalized multichannel sound output. What year are we living in. ?!

People are gutting cabs instead of restoring them. .. because mame devs refusal to allow original control inputs. .. multi speaker outputs... etc. Until howards work.... there wasnt even a way to interface force feedback and lighting. And still many games are unplayable due to inputs that dont match the hardware.

When one guy stepped up... he got insulted and blasted. While his response was way over the top... it was still a reason to get angered.

Haze will tell you that its more important that time and money be wasted on some pile of turd gambling games... games that nobody cared about when they were new.. and nobody cares about today.. nor even in the distant future. Lets be real... there are tbings in this world worth saving.... like a vintage car. Then there are things that people should just plain burn... like Radioshack speakers. They hold zero value in anyones perspective... because they are cheaply made speakeds with wretched sounding drivers.

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on July 03, 2015, 10:57:24 pm ---I will say this, the mame devs have been out of touch for a while. They are all nice guys and I generally think they do a great job, BUT they have been known to reject code just because they don't like the way it's coded or it goes against their "philosophy". If there is a bug or the patch somehow deviates from accuracy then sure, but sorry, mame is a group project, if it works, accept it. If you don't like the way it's structured fix it yourself as you obviously know how you want it.

Driver was wrong about the 720 thing in a general sense, but he did come up with a working solution. The appropriate, mature thing to do would have been for the mame team to accept it, thank him for his efforts, and then modify it a bit so that it was more the way they wanted it, and that would have been the end of it. Maturity seems to be in short supply on the internet these days though.

I've been silent on this thread but it's been bothering me. I can't really take pleasure in the misfortune of others at this stage in my life, even if they are "bad" or if they "deserved it" I always want good things for everybody even if I'm always not that good at showing it.

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Well said. Haze was a principle instigator of this policy when he was running the show before Aaron took over. It pissed a bunch of people off. I do not condone this type of mentality or behaviour, as most coders are notoriously ---smurfing--- lazy, but a standard should be set and followed for submitting work to a project. If it doesn't reach this standard then the work should be rejected.

Again I agree, with you on the "good things intended for everyone", but like my hero, Mr. Foley, he is serving time for being a naughty boy, not to mention being ridiculed for some comical and ironical circumstances...

DriverMan has been caught and is having to sell his beloved 720 and Linux box to pay his restitution. I'll say just its karma, and leave it at that.

Maybe you could "pay it forward" and crowdfund his debt to help him out. :angel:

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