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Mystery PCB (solved)
« on: March 20, 2015, 03:43:19 am »
A little background.

Many many years ago, I purchased a used NES (complete with controller and pack in game) from someone for $5. It was great except for one problem, the RF out did not work. Switch box worked fine. The A/V out worked perfect, but the poor NES just could not output RF for some reason on any TV. But for a kid with no allowance or job, this was a minor point and a nice steal.

Not long after, I began to explore electronics. Without a lot of guidance, I took apart a lot of junk and piled them outside. I also started getting catalogs from a number of companies. One in particular sold a lot of surplus "junk" for madly cheap prices. $1 for a sandwich bag full of random LED's weren't uncommon (these were the low grade crappy kind, not the high output kind we're used to now). While flipping through the newest catalog there was a new section dedicated to "parts boards" with short descriptions of what they contained. One in particular caught my eye, a "parts" board for less than $5 that sported an RF modulator.

Not really understanding that not every RF modulator is built the same, I dug into my birthday money and ordered it. A week later it arrived and too my disappointment, the RF "box" wasn't even the same size.  ??? I had no idea how to remove the box to even try and never bothered. I packed it away in a box and kept it in deep storage ever since, only to surface on occasion during moves.

Fast forward to today and I present to you, "Mystery PCB".



I have a fairly good idea, in some small part, what it is but there are some puzzles about it. Besides the usual part markings and IC markings there is only one manufacturers mark on the PCB, INTV 1988. First clue, INTV is a common abbreviation for Intellivision. Great! Hit up Google and start looking at those PCBs.... uh... wait.... 1988? Intellivision was discontinued in 1984 according to Wikipedia.

Hhmm.... But check this page out. http://www.the-liberator.net/site-files/retro-games/hardware/Intellivision-1/intellivision-1-1981-kalex.htm



Wow... that Kalex board looks like the predecessor to what I have..... No need for pictures to show that the bottoms on both are virtually identical. Right down to the holes... except mine doesn't say Kalex anywhere..... For the curious, I have a part number stamped into the heat sink Part. No. 2609-4479 REL A Google search turns up Miley Cyrus porn for some reason. :puke

After changing my Google search settings,  I forge ahead.

The top side has some uncanny matchings. There's the headers on the left and right, the RF modulator, the slide switch. All in the appropriate places. The winged thing on the left is a 7805, a well known voltage regulator, right where that daughter board on the Kalex is located. Another search on the same site turns up yet another artifact, an INTV System III with a date of 1980. Same layout.

However all the ICs are smaller, there is a "potential" 1988 date and 68 pin socket at the top. No, that socket wasn't populated when I got it.

That socket... obviously for a CPU.... OK, Wikipedia what can you tell me? The CPU in the Intellivision was a CP1610. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it.
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Production of the CP1600 ended in 1985 when General Instruments spun off its microelectronics division to create Microchip Technology. By this point a number of 32-bit designs like the MC68000 were available that limited interest in a 16-bit design like the CP1600, and their main existing customer, the Intellivision, was no longer in production. Many other products were also end-of-lifed at the same time, and their primary product was the PIC.

Microchip? What a coincidence, three IC's on the board are marked as Microchips.

One is labeled as GROM... Graphics perhaps?

One is labeled WBEXEC....

The third IC, marked as CP 1610... woah.... Is that the actual CPU there?? Hmmm... that means the socket isn't for a CPU I guess....

 wait..... EXEC? Intellivision 3 was equipped with a lockout chip (kind of like NES 10NES)... that was named EXEC...  But I3 was canceled according to Wikipedia... or was it?

At this point I'm absolutely positive that I have some type of Intellivision console PCB but which one??

The Liberator reveals nothing more so another Google search is in order and I'm lead to http://www.intellivisionlives.com/bluesky/hardware/intelli3_tech.html

Which mentions
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The unit, which is subject to FCC certification, will be compatible with all Intellivision and Intellivision II cartridges as well as Intellivision II add-on modules such as the Entertainment Computer System.

Interesting...... However, it mentions IC's such as a STIC (GPU) and an audio chip that are notably missing. Is that what the 68 pin socket is for?

Another search turns up this discussion at AtariAge
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/222274-intv-3-board/

Guy has a non-working I3 where he pulled the the STIC and RAM from sockets in proximity to my socket.  The board is marked ??TV 1987 opposite of where is marked. I notice for the first time that every picture I looked at had "organic" traces that look like they were drawn by hand. Mine, however, has straight traces, more typical of modern PCBs.

I finally notice that the RF modulator is exactly the same as my board, right down to the stickers.

The evidence grows stronger.

Unfortunately, it's late and this research will have to wait.

Enjoy.....
« Last Edit: March 21, 2015, 12:54:13 am by SavannahLion »

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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2015, 04:04:59 am »
Ooops.... sorry mods. Might want to move this to consoles or something....

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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2015, 10:06:37 am »

Nice find. I enjoyed the Miley Cyrus clips very much (",)


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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 10:42:55 am »
Ooops.... sorry mods. Might want to move this to consoles or something....

The upcoming micro computing forum might be a good place for it.

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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2015, 12:20:07 pm »
Ooops.... sorry mods. Might want to move this to consoles or something....

The upcoming micro computing forum might be a good place for it.

Up to you... :dunno


It's fortunate this board was tossed in a box and forgotten for so long and long before I understood much about electronics. If I knew what and how the 7805 was used back when, I would have stripped this board ten minutes after it arrived.

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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2015, 01:15:38 pm »
that is crazy.

it's fun diggin up old stuff you collected as a kid and then wonder why you kept it or even wondered what you thought you would do with it.

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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2015, 02:17:59 pm »
At this point I'm speculating the socket is for either

A) A new version of the STIC (Analogous to Atari's TIA or a modern GPU). Possibly a custom IC merging a STIC with, possibly, the RAM. The boards I dug up so far use two 40 pin DIP sockets, one for each. If you hypothetically merge two such ICs, and given the CP1610 10bit wide architecture, dump the redundent address line, toss out the extra ground and VCC lines you get 68 pins..... I doubt it's that easy though.....

Or

B) I'm looking at an Intellivision IV board that did sport a M68000 which did come in a 68 pin quad pack. That would be the holy grail in the Intellivision community as it seems there is very very little information about the console and no known photos ever taken. If I'm that lucky, I'm buying Lotto tickets tonight. I don't think it's likely though. The IIV was purported to have wireless controller, a new GPU, and an internal modem amongst other features and nothing I've read mentioned backwards compatibility. I see no evidence of any of that here... just the socket.

Or C) :dunno
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Re: Mystery PCB
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2015, 12:45:47 am »
Done......

The board is equipped with a CP1610A, no way this is the fabled INTV IV.

Intellivision as an ugly screwed up history. Based on posts like this one from AtariAge the few technical document floating around out there for the ghost console don't precisely match up to what's actually in the wild. To add even more confusion, I somehow missed this blurb from Intellivision Lives
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NOTE: The Intellivision III should not be confused with the INTV System III, which was simply INTV Corporation's re-release of the original Intellivision Master Component with minor cosmetic differences. To make it worse: at the January 1987 CES, INTV Corp. announced the INTV System IV, which shouldn't be confused with the Intellivision IV. The INTV System IV was really the Intellivision III; Glenn Hightower of APh had convinced INTV's Terry Valeski that the system was still viable. INTV Corporation, however, was not; despite making the announcement, they didn't have the financial resources needed to actually resume the development that had stopped three-and-a-half years earlier.

Damn.... missed that in my search. Two separate companies making the same damn console at roughly the same time. How could I miss that? Atari/Sears? Duh...

Digging around at TechWiki for more clues. It dawned on me that the person(s) adding to the Wiki there don't really know what they're doing. So a couple of carefully phrased searches turned up this page: http://console5.com/wiki/INTV_System_3
ALL of the IC's described in their locations match. Aha! Finally! Confirmed! It's an INTV System III One of the systems that bubbled up in my search, it's the "Kalek" board pictured in the first thread which is likely a much earlier version of mine.

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INTV 1988

    U1: CPU: CP1610A
    U2: 3504-730A WBEXEC
    U4: KS74HCTLS174AN
    U5: SCH21014E
    U6: SCH21014E
    U7: SCH21014E
    U8: SCH21014E
    U9: STIC 1A BV2 8930 AY-3-8930
    U10: KS74HCTLS374AN
    U11: ROM (Graphics): 0098-0210 GROM
    U12: EL6116LP-10
    U14: KS74HCTLS257AN
    U15: KS74HCTLS257AN
    U16: 7407
    U17: KS74HCTLS08AN
    U18: KS74HCTLS04AN
    U19: KS74HCTLS73AN
    U20: KS74HCTLS30AN
    U21: KS74HCTLS163AN
    U22: KS74HCTLS163AN
    U23: +5V Regulator: 7805
    U34: KS74HCTLS174AN
    RF Modulator: Biwave, Inc. VM-445

Might as well leech that wiki. As sparse as the information is, the information on the individual IC's helps a ton for identifying the harder to find ICs. Manged to locate the datasheet for the AY-3-8930 and the part is notated with a "/P" for a 40-pin DIP implying that there is different package or they intended a different one in the future. (to put it plainly, why bother specify a package on the part when that's the only package to order?)

Sady, the fate of this board is up in the air. I have found squelch about anything for this socket other than the above, so unless I come across an "ultra rare" 8930 in a 68QFP package, or figure out the pinout to pinout between the 68 pin and 40 pin package, I probably won't bother to get it working. Besides, for that kind of money and effort, I can probably buy the Intellivision Flashback and put my energy and effort in other projects.

I also don't quite have the heart to gut this board for parts. Seeing as how I don't have an Intellivision anyways, it seems like a pointless exercise to gut it. The SRAM (4 bits wide? Um... thanks) and other parts I already have loose or on partially gutted boards already so I won't bother with that either.
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Re: Mystery PCB (solved)
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 11:39:48 pm »
Fast forward to today and I present to you, "Mystery PCB".



I am pretty certain you have a TutorVision logic board, sans STIC.  (STIC is the graphics processor.)

If you're willing to let someone poke and prod at your board, I'm particularly interested in dumping the WBEXEC chip.  (Or, if you want to sell/trade it...)  I can be reached at intvnut AT gmail.

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Re: Mystery PCB (solved)
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 11:40:49 pm »
Fast forward to today and I present to you, "Mystery PCB".



I am pretty certain you have a TutorVision logic board, sans STIC.  (STIC is the graphics processor.)  The Tutorvision is a souped-up Intellivision, with additional RAM and GRAM.

If you're willing to let someone poke and prod at your board, I'm particularly interested in dumping the WBEXEC chip.  (Or, if you want to sell/trade it...)  I can be reached at intvnut AT gmail.

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Re: Mystery PCB (solved)
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 12:17:36 am »