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After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« on: February 01, 2015, 03:28:29 pm »
We're sticking a fork in this now.  The board is locked.  Congrats to the new board!

Alright alright alright - all the work is done for the 2014 UCAs.  Voting will continue for the month but that's all on autopilot.  Barring any photo changes from the builders we're left with a month before UCA kicks out a Winner's Announcement Thread and posts to the Hall of Fame Thread before going dormant for 9 or so months. 

That said, while voting is still fresh in everyone's mind, let us take a mo' and discuss/recommend changes to the UCA process for the future.  This year we had a lot of vocal feedback on on the way we should be doing things.  That's great!  That's the way is should be to help this event evolve and grow.  Here's the deal, the UCA board is up for peer review.  Le Chuck, DaOld Man, DrVenture, BobA, and Yotsuya are released from contract as of this posting. 

Please post what you think went right, what you think went wrong, and what you would like to see changed for next year.  There are no rules here, the UCAs don't belong to any individual.  They belong to the community.  It's up to next year's board to fix/maintain as they see fit. 

So how are we picking a new board?  Post your recommendations as to who should be on the UCA board. You can't nominate yourself and if nominated you have to publicly accept - silence is not consent.  If you're nominated and you accept then presto-finito you're on the board.  No voting thread, no rigaramole.  Donkeskis.  The fate of future UCAs is in your hands.  This thread is yours, rules free.  Speak your mind.  Prior board members can continue to serve if someone recommends them and they accept.  No limit on board members.   

Once Voting is complete for this year's UCAs this thread will close once everyone announces that enough is enough.  Once voting is complete for this year's UCAs the UCA UserID will send all the new board members an PM with the pertinents and from that moment forward they own it.   

Come 2015 if there aren't UCAs then there aren't.  If they rules are totally different they they are.  We are here for you, the UCAs are yours.  Take control.
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 03:39:17 pm »
Running tally.

Board Members:
Vigo
PBJ
ChanceKJ
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Malenko
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I nominate Malenko.
I nominate Vigo.
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 04:01:58 pm »
I want to publically thank LeChuck for all the work he's done on this the past 4 years. It was a pleasure serving on the board with you.
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 04:13:14 pm »
I'd also like to thank Le Chuck for the work he has put in to keep the UCA sorted out.   

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 04:14:34 pm »
I'd be honored, but if certain other members were on the board I would have to reconsider. I know Im abrasive sometimes, and I also know that certain other members cant handle me. I don't think the UCA's would be the same without chucklehead at the helm, Yotsuya would be my #2 pick, and Neph would be a close 3rd, Vigo and even closer 4th.
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 04:15:16 pm »
Although not necessary, I would like to endorse both Malenko and Vigo as board members.

And if anyone is thinking about it, I would respectfully ask that you not nominate me for the UCA Board. If nominated,  I won't accept. Thank you.
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 04:37:34 pm »
I don't think the UCA's would be the same without chucklehead at the helm

The irony of that statement is paled only by my appreciation for the kudos from you and others. 

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 05:21:33 pm »
I feel like I'm late to this party and there is a lot of innuendo that is blowing over my head.  So I'm not sure what to say other than if the behind the scenes "sausage making" of this process is difficult that is unfortunate.  That being said I'm very happy with the outward result and would like to see it run in a similar fashion going forward.  The UCA's add much to our hobby and this forum in particular.   Thanks again to the current board.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 05:43:12 pm »
I feel like I'm late to this party and there is a lot of innuendo that is blowing over my head.  So I'm not sure what to say other than if the behind the scenes "sausage making" of this process is difficult that is unfortunate.  That being said I'm very happy with the outward result and would like to see it run in a similar fashion going forward.  The UCA's add much to our hobby and this forum in particular.   Thanks again to the current board.

Let me be clear - I've decided not to serve again because I feel like it's time for some fresh blood. Nothing more. The other board members have a been a joy. But like Chuckles said, this is the community's award, so let some of the other community members have a turn, especially those who have other ideas on how it should be run.  :cheers:
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 06:02:29 pm »
I'd also like to thank Le Chuck for the work he has put in to keep the UCA sorted out.
Seconded.  Awesome work.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2015, 04:40:00 am »
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2015, 06:50:07 am »
Thanks to LeChuck and all the other board members. Its been a good stretch, but I agree it's time to hand over the reins.
I trust who ever takes it over will do a fine job.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2015, 08:18:31 am »
Same boat as Malenko, depends who else is on board. Right now, I've got no complaints against those who have been mentioned.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2015, 08:33:29 am »
Gents, 2nd post in this thread will track more or less the state of the board as it develops. 

I appreciate the votes of confidence from Malenko that has been echoed by others but I'm with Yots and DaOld Man.  I'm declining, looking forward to seeing how it develops tho!

@Ken - based on your above comments about about the reins I put you down as a decline.  Let me know if you want that changed. 

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2015, 09:02:04 am »
I just want to thank the current board members who did an amazing job! I think the UCA's are perfect the way they are, the rules are clear and the categories are just fine.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2015, 01:26:48 pm »
+1 on the thanks to the current board members for their outstanding work.   :applaud:

Since the membership of the UCA board is about to change, it might be a good idea to list all the behind-the-scenes duties that board members perform so any prospective nominees know what they are getting themselves into and benefit from the lessons learned over the last four years.

Is there a "continuity book" like this?

If not, can the current board make one before the reins are passed to the next board?


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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2015, 01:50:33 pm »
Is there a "continuity book" like this?

Naw, we're going for a total retcon/reboot here.  :cheers:
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2015, 02:05:39 pm »
The committee has been awesome this year, and I think the results speak for themselves.  :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

And I have to say, I am very honored by the nominations. Sure, count me in for the next rodeo. I accept. No guarantees I could handle it nearly on the level of the 2014 team, but this is the least something I can do to give back to the community.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2015, 02:15:16 pm »
Right.  So pretty much around Nov or so we start sending PMs to eachother that say things like, "Hey, are you still in this year?" and "Imma open me a thread that lets people know we're off to the races" and "These are last year's categories (primary ones) everybody good with that?" and finally "These are last years rules, everything hunky-dorey?" 

Once we get a north-south from most everyone someone takes it on their part to copy and past from last years stuff, change the dates as applicable, and post up the new threads.  Since its all saved in perpetuity in the UCA logged posts it's there. 

Then a someone, usually not a board member, recommends to change the way of things after we're already rolling.  PMs fly like wildfire between those that are interested enough to care about that sort of thing, and a general consensus of a position is more of less reached.  At that point everyone collectively realizes they are taking this all a bit too seriously and feels a bit sheepish.  All of this is within ten days of the nom thread opening.  After the initial ten days nothing will happen for the rest of the nom period, including additional nominations. 

During the first ten days board members take it in part to serve as ballot counter, truth sayer, thread browser, category decider, and general busy bodies to ensure the thread is more or less kept generally up to date.

One of the board members, whoever has self identified as having too much skin the game to back out, begins trawling the list of noms for pics and links as a lot of users can't be troubled with doing so when they make their nominations.  This is the nature of the beast.  Other board members will usually feel sorry for this chump saintly fellow and contribute helpful lists of links by category, or general words of encouragement like, "Do the thing, score the points!" or "Wow, that work sure does look like work!"

After assembling the list it's another copy and past job from last year's thread, then a post-a-thon to get everything up.  It takes a morning at this point. 

Really it comes down to the desire to keep this thing alive, do what you and a few liked minded others think is "right" for the "community" and a willingness to put up with a lot of healthy debate which can, at large part of our own fault - or non of our own, devolve rapidly into internet slap-fighting. 

After 4 years, I don't know if I'm right for the job - mostly because my willingness to have the conversation about the whys and wherefores has deadlined.  I was right for it.  The first year I was a tyrannical board of one calling the shots on my lonesome.  The second year I called forth from the ether a team of unlikely compatriots to support and defend an idea worth of assache.  The third I was a seasoned veteran, excited to take it to the next level, and the fourth I am a broken man, scared of his own shadow, crying out for the solace of anonymity and the soothing balm of apathy. 



so.....


Who's up for it?!  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2015, 02:17:00 pm »
major respect to the old board. Thanks for putting up with my crap.

My feeling is that the structure of the categories needs to be revamped. The wildcard here is that we don't know what build types will be popular enough to make what categories to vote on.

As an example, we have two really good pins this year that have to go up against the likes of Blip and a phenomenal driving cab. That almost seems unfair. It is what it is. And I'm not going to debate how this year went because it's in the bag now. But Im confident there is a different approach that may be an improvement.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2015, 02:28:25 pm »
I was hyped when this years threads came out, maybe a little overzealous. I hope people keep doing it.  This is a good thing.  Thanks fellas.

All in all, I would have liked to see more of the newer members come out to nominate.

I didn't see him named, but Scott the Bot / PL1 seems like a natural, quick with technical details, on top of the wiki and he is a moderator. 

Just out of curiosity, is this the first time the Board has been up for nominations? 

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2015, 02:28:48 pm »
Well, now it's out there....

The board "worked" because we DID debate things and worked to a consensus. For example, even this year, I made the argument more than once that the MK-II Pod should be in the Non-Standard category (when it existed). However, it was clear that it fit as being defined as a "racer', and therefore was an upright. After no wailing and gnashing of the teeth, and more importantly, no butt-hurt, it stayed where it fit within the rules. I'm fine with that - I was the "stickler for the rules" member, mainly because the criteria was clearly out there for everyone to see. But as a board, no one got mad, no one forced an agenda, and it worked just fine.

In my opinion, the whole point of these awards is to recognize excellence. That was the approach I took, and I feel most of the board members saw it the same way. "Hey, that's pretty cool" is not the same as "Man, that's outstanding."

Looking forward to seeing how it evolves.  :cheers:
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2015, 02:32:19 pm »
Just out of curiosity, is this the first time the Board has been up for nominations?

Yes.  <edit to add background> the first board was chosen by me because I wanted to separate the UCAs from me.  I can't very well get in internet cat fights with X2 and whoever else if I'm having to keep a good rep for the comp every year so Saint, who so loved the hobby, gave forth the UCA avatar so that it could be the beacon of shininess.  I called up users that 1) Were routinely active 2) Had history 3) Were universally more respected than myself 4) Had shown themselves to be team players.  This is how the leopard got its spots. 

Scott the Bot, you've been nominated.  What say you?

But Im confident there is a different approach that may be an improvement.

Sounds like a veiled request for a shot at the big time.  I nominate ChanceKJ.     
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2015, 02:32:41 pm »
As an example, we have two really good pins this year that have to go up against the likes of Blip and a phenomenal driving cab.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2015, 02:33:16 pm »
Oh, and here's a suggestion - I'd like to see a cap on how many projects you can nominate in one category. Neph said it best - you should only nominate things you would ACTUALLY use your vote on. Otherwise, give them kudos in their project thread.
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2015, 02:38:57 pm »
As an example, we have two really good pins this year that have to go up against the likes of Blip and a phenomenal driving cab. That almost seems unfair.

Well, the rules as currently constructed, as used for the past four years, say "three noms in a category to make the voting rounds". So if they weren't in the upright category, there wouldn't be a chance to vote on them at all.  :dunno
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2015, 02:44:02 pm »
Oh, and here's a suggestion - I'd like to see a cap on how many projects you can nominate in one category. Neph said it best - you should only nominate things you would ACTUALLY use your vote on. Otherwise, give them kudos in their project thread.

Did we discuss that, I know you had brought it up, I thought about having 7 noms/user.  That's 7 total.  So 7 new projects nominated or 3 new noms, two 2nds, and 2 thirds.  That kind of thing.  Basically a holy rolling pain in the kiester of which to keep track. 

No idea if that's a good idea or not.  I'm against it on several levels and for it on just one or two.  Most user, the vast majority, nominated less than that number.  A few were into double digits.  I think it all worked out okay in the end.  We have a great field of builds this year.  A bit thick IMO, some of them I wouldn't have sent to the final thread, but that's why it's a community call. 

As an example, we have two really good pins this year that have to go up against the likes of Blip and a phenomenal driving cab. That almost seems unfair.

Well, the rules as currently constructed, as used for the past four years, say "three noms in a category to make the voting rounds". So if they weren't in the upright category, there wouldn't be a chance to vote on them at all.  :dunno

Which is the whole reason we're here.  Four years, schmore years.  If the new board reads the community and sees the need for change then it'll change.  The only real issue for the board is determining what direction the community recommends (tricky and fickle) and what direction that member personally would like to see - and then resolving the two. 

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2015, 02:50:10 pm »
Sounds like a veiled request for a shot at the big time.  I nominate ChanceKJ.   

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2015, 02:51:09 pm »
If it wasn't for rules, we'd just be savages.  We aren't at the county fair, not everyone is going to get a ribbon.

I wonder if anyone has been nominated and was like "Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, I didn't ask for that this!?  Someone linked me here from imgur & I just thought I'd post my project."

On the other hand, there should be a gate. Another subforum if you will, that gets opened in the last quarter of the forth quarter where people can submit their details as is done on the wiki, perhaps a parts list, and a build diagram or an exhaustive build log for everyone to see.  Effectively saying, "I would like to be considered for your award show and here is why."

Otherwise, if the original builder isn't into this level on inspection, we are rubber necking peeping toms.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2015, 02:52:03 pm »
Sounds like a veiled request for a shot at the big time.  I nominate ChanceKJ.   

So, yeah he's one of my deal breakers.  If hes in , I'm out.

PL1 is one of mine, so... We'll see how this goes...

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2015, 02:55:53 pm »
If it wasn't for rules, we'd just be savages.  We aren't at the county fair, not everyone is going to get a ribbon.

I wonder if anyone has been nominated and was like "Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, I didn't ask for that this!?  Someone linked me here from imgur & I just thought I'd post my project."

On the other hand, there should be a gate. Another subforum if you will, that gets opened in the last quarter of the forth quarter where people can submit their details as is done on the wiki, perhaps a parts list, and a build diagram or an exhaustive build log for everyone to see.  Effectively saying, "I would like to be considered for your award show and here is why."

Otherwise, if the original builder isn't into this level on inspection, we are rubber necking peeping toms.

That happened.  First or second year.  Jkdubb, the guy with the sweetass cocktail.  He was totally a fly by.  There was another one as well.  Can't remember who.  Anyway, both were extremely surprised and pleased.  Have yet to get a negative reaction.  One user declined a trophy and doesn't think that highly of some parts of this forum but was still pleased with the outcome. 

All that other stuff you said sounds like a lot of work.   

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2015, 02:57:34 pm »

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2015, 03:10:04 pm »
All that other stuff you said sounds like a lot of work.

But all done on the builders part, not the board.  When I went through the list of all the projects, and there was a chance I missed some, many, were mine & like mine.  Half starts, false starts and everything in between.  Personally reviewing the posts to find qualified nominees; self identifying as a finished project within the prescribed timeline, was an adventure.  Let alone determining if they were contenders.

But that was fun too.  Anyway, this whole thing has been fun. 

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2015, 03:25:28 pm »
I didn't see him named, but Scott the Bot / PL1 seems like a natural, quick with technical details, on top of the wiki and he is a moderator. 
Scott the Bot, you've been nominated.  What say you?
Thank you for your kind consideration, but my reply is the same as Sherman's.
Quote from: William Tecumseh Sherman
If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve.

Good luck to all who end up serving on the 2015 UCA board.   :cheers:


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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2015, 03:37:13 pm »
Oh, and here's a suggestion - I'd like to see a cap on how many projects you can nominate in one category. Neph said it best - you should only nominate things you would ACTUALLY use your vote on. Otherwise, give them kudos in their project thread.

Did we discuss that, I know you had brought it up, I thought about having 7 noms/user.  That's 7 total.  So 7 new projects nominated or 3 new noms, two 2nds, and 2 thirds.  That kind of thing.  Basically a holy rolling pain in the kiester of which to keep track. 

No idea if that's a good idea or not.  I'm against it on several levels and for it on just one or two.  Most user, the vast majority, nominated less than that number.  A few were into double digits.  A bit thick IMO, some of them I wouldn't have sent to the final thread, but that's why it's a community call. I think it all worked out okay in the end.  We have a great field of builds this year. 

It was suggested to me by a few users. I agree that tracking it would be a pain, but I also think it would help thin the herd, so to speak. At one point, if I remember, one user had made over 20 nominations alone. I'd like to see more users participate with one vote and nominate what they like than two or three people nominating everything under the sun. But I agree, tracking it would be a bear.

As an example, we have two really good pins this year that have to go up against the likes of Blip and a phenomenal driving cab. That almost seems unfair.

Well, the rules as currently constructed, as used for the past four years, say "three noms in a category to make the voting rounds". So if they weren't in the upright category, there wouldn't be a chance to vote on them at all.  :dunno

Which is the whole reason we're here.  Four years, schmore years.  If the new board reads the community and sees the need for change then it'll change.  The only real issue for the board is determining what direction the community recommends (tricky and fickle) and what direction that member personally would like to see - and then resolving the two.

I have no problem changing the rules - I have a problem changing them once things start. If the rules need to be changed, it should happen afterwards... like how we're doing now.

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2015, 03:41:33 pm »

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2015, 03:46:13 pm »
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2015, 04:08:00 pm »
Sounds like a veiled request for a shot at the big time.  I nominate ChanceKJ.   


haha! +1  :laugh:

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Re: After Action Review, the 2014 UCA thread
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2015, 04:18:01 pm »
On the other hand, there should be a gate. Another subforum if you will, that gets opened in the last quarter of the forth quarter where people can submit their details as is done on the wiki, perhaps a parts list, and a build diagram or an exhaustive build log for everyone to see.  Effectively saying, "I would like to be considered for your award show and here is why."

Interesting, Eric. I like the fact that all projects are nominated by members. It's a community award recognizing the work of community members. This quote by Gregg Popovich regarding the 2015 All-Star games reminds me of this. He takes umbrages with self-promotion:

“We got some interesting things in the mail from people who are politicking for their guys. And for everybody who sent me something, I just want them to know it immediately went in the trash can. Such pandering is embarrassing. We got it from several places and it immediately went in the trash can. We make sure we look to see who did not send us humiliating little political packages of propaganda. We cross (those who did) off the list right away.”

Basically, let their play speak for the player. If they deserve to be an all-star, they should be an all-star. Lots of guys having good years don't get in. If the community thinks the player (or in our case, the project) is deserving of accolades, they'll earn it. Self-promoting (and it DOES happen) is, like Pop says, embarrassing.

I dunno, just an observation.  :cheers:
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