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CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« on: September 29, 2014, 04:06:14 pm »
With the recent demise of my graphics card, I've found I have a bit of time on my hands while I save up for a new one. I now realise that this is going to take a while longer because I've just had a dangerous encounter with the new Elite space sim.



This has me hankering after a Command Seat and an Oculus Rift. Needless to say, I've got the itch to embark on another project ... the CP-1 (or C-Pod or Command Pod). It will take inspiration from an in-game seat and will have an integrated Throttle, Stick and Rudder pedals. The pedals will be suspended.





I already have the HOTAS and pedals so will be using those.





So, first purchases have been made. Some flint grey vinyl:



... and some firm upholstery foam. I'm currently figuring out how best to integrate the HOTAS and looking forward to designing the seat panels. The design will likely use similar elements and materials from previous builds.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2014, 05:43:24 pm »
Who knew the sad day of loss would bring us a new project?  With your attention to detail, I don't know how you will be saving money while you build this ;)



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Re: CP-1 Command Pod
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 04:35:42 am »
Yup, every  :badmood: has a silver lining  :)

As to the saving, maybe deferred would be the correct word to use  :cheers:
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 01:17:14 pm »
More bits to buy. A couple of 3 digit voltmeters to embed in the seat somewhere:



No function other than aesthetics.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 04:13:48 pm »
A rough sketch of my proposed initial design:



With materials:



My material has arrived. Hopefully the upholstery foam will follow soon ...

Edit: I'm still working on the design for the seat base.

Edit 2: so basically similar design to the r-pod shifter console and side panels I made:




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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 04:51:28 pm »
So I'm assuming you bit the bullet and spent the $75 for a beta seat?  I want info on the game please.  Website is nothing but promotional material and no real meat.  I've been looking for a good space sim that was more than just combat.  Star Citizen so far seems like the most likely candidate, but this looks promising as well.

Honestly, from the fluff on the website, it sounds amazingly like a more involved version of Eve.  I really like Eve, just wish there was more PvE...  I'm not a huge fan of PvP so tend to avoid it.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2014, 12:19:38 pm »
Yes, plumped for the beta seat. I played this on a BBC micro when it was originally released and it was the first game which had me completely hooked. Not all the features are implemented yet and I've only scratched the surface but am enjoying what I've experienced. It looks to cater for many play types (trader, smuggler, bounty hunter, explorer, pirate etc) as it's designed to make it what you want it to be. Planet landings will be available in the future also. It's all done in first person.

I'm not much into PvP either - it does provide a full off-line game mode and I'll likely be spending most of my time with that. This is set to be release far in advance of Star Citizen which I'll no doubt buy when it becomes available.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 12:58:50 pm »
*perks up*

Offline mode you say?  Well then, that just got a lot more interesting...

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2014, 07:30:11 am »
Go on Slippy, you know you want too ...

I tend to post a lot of pictures during the build process, so this may all seem a bit dull. It's really to document everything as much as possible.

High density foam has arrived:





Flint grey material (it's important that it's sent rolled and not folded - the creases are very difficult to get out):





1 large sheet of MDF cut into 4 (£20):



4 pine strips £2.14 each)



30mm and 40mm Turbodrive wood screws (very effective in MDF and worth the expense - £9.86):



I'll have some lunch and then start measuring. Wish me good luck!
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2014, 10:07:02 am »
I'm using my bucket seat as a means of figuring out a comfortable position. I've measured up the first panel to reflect the angle and rake:



The first task is to make a frame. These 2 pieces will run towards the centre of the seat back and seat base. I've cut the first one.

Marked out:



Rough cut:



Router guides attached:



After routing:



First piece complete:

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2014, 10:36:57 am »
The first piece has been used as a template for the second piece so it was simply traced, rough cut, clamped and flush trimmed.



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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2014, 12:37:22 pm »
A few more pieces cut. Dull, but important.

Two pieces to create a box for the lower section of the base. It will make it nice and stable for everything else to be built around.





Back and seat pieces:



The back is slightly over cut and should extend to the bottom of the head rest. The top will be angled. I need to get this dry assembled and then I can start taking some measurements for shaping it.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2014, 01:36:41 pm »
This is gonna be pretty cool, right? :cheers:

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2014, 02:04:09 pm »
I'm sincerely hoping so  :cheers:

It's starting to look like a seat:





Panels just placed on for now but at least I can sit on it.





The back is massively over cut, which is great because it looked a little on the large size.

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2014, 03:53:37 am »
Today, I'll be having a go at making the seat panels. It's a slightly simplified version of the in-game seat but uses some similar design patterns.



The approach will be to cut the panels from 12mm MDF, use them at a template to cut the foam and then cover in leather vinyl and staple to the back of the panels.

The side pieces will be shaped so they bow out from the side of the seat.

I've no idea how this is going to work out ...
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2014, 06:40:52 am »
You can ignore the 'critical' word on the picture above ...

After sitting in the seat on a piece of foam and drawing around my neck and shoulders, I established the correct dimensions for the top of the seat back and cut away the excess. The head rest will be made as a separate unit.



I spent a bit of time transferring the design to the seat back, taking into consideration the width of the foam and MDF. The lowest panel is slightly larger to allow for the extra height the foam/MDF on the seat base.



Now comes the interesting part ... whether this is going to work!
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2014, 09:52:26 am »
Ive cut the pieces which sit in the shoulder area:



Attached some foam:



Wrapping in progress:



Completed piece:



Screwed into position:



I think these are the most difficult pieces; small and angled. Very difficult to cover tbh. I'm only really interested in the faces of these as the edges/ends will be not be visible when everything's fixed in place. It's going to take some time to do all of these but that won't stop me.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2014, 12:57:43 pm »
Last progress update for this weekend. I'll likely post a few design thoughts during the week though.

The second shoulder section has been covered as has the upper back piece.

Mess that is the back of the seat but it's not important:



Top view:



Attached to the seat back:



Close up:



It's starting to look sufficiently space age now.

The gap between the shoulder pieces will be filled with something. Maybe a design that looks like it should connect to the back of your neck - thinking about an LED cluster of some description.

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2014, 01:12:20 pm »

Hope anyone watching is enjoying this.

I'm curious to know if any of the panels will be any thicker than the others? Will there be any depth or lumbar support?

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2014, 01:16:27 pm »
Hey Generic. Yes, see post 14!

The sides pieces will be angled slightly as well to hold me in.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 01:57:56 pm »
I do enjoy this. :cheers:

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2014, 03:40:37 pm »
Cheers emphatic  :cheers:

Just been looking around for something to fill the gap between the top shoulder pieces. I found a mini torch which looks to be around the size I'm looking for so I bought a couple:



I'll make a panel and mount them here:

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2014, 05:45:15 pm »
Nice to see a new project of your hand  :cheers:

Is it better to paint the MDF black first befor add the leather parts, so you don't see the blanc mdf gaps

Hope to see some pictures soon  :cheers:

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2014, 02:45:28 pm »
Yes, it'll definitely need painting Superfrog, I need to follow the lines first and then I'll unscrew, paint and re-attach.

I need to factor in the Centre Console before completing the seat pads:



I plan on using a button box, a 3D mouse or an iPad mini running the PowerGrid software:


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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2014, 04:35:48 pm »
Bought a few emblems (badges and a keyring which I will pull apart) to embed into the build somewhere to personalise it a bit. I haven't decided where yet though:





Just thinking about what I'm going to get done this weekend. I hope to complete the seat paneling and make the central bay for the stowable centre console. This will be sculpted around the lower seat area - I want to keep it fairly low profile to avoid doing myself a mischief.

I may get onto the 'L' shaped large side pieces if I get the time.

Looking ahead, my estimate is around 7-8 weeks to complete the build.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2014, 08:02:11 am »
I've made a few more seat panels this morning. The one I'll be sitting on is using different foam for comfort. It doesn't look quite as defined as the others but I'm prepared to sacrifice a little for that feature.

Panels cut:



1 panel still to cover:



The folds on the bottom panel will be hidden from view when everything's in place.

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2014, 09:10:04 am »
I don't want to get overly complicated with the build so the seat will have 2 angled pads either side of the centre console space. Upholstering is mightily tricky business, particularly with thick material.





I'm going to finish the 2 remaining panels for the seat bottom and then I'm out of material. Things should look a lot more integrated once it's all screwed together ...
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2014, 12:47:47 pm »
Front leg pads have been fabricated:



Top view:



I will start on the stowable console section tomorrow. It will obviously sit between the 2 front pads.

Not sure there's too much interest in space seat 'round these 'ere parts ... Feedback? Comments? Opinions? All welcome.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2014, 02:02:21 pm »
Keep on trucking!  Space Truck'n!  I assume the stapling is the same as your last project?   The real question is how comfortable the seat is?   Did you mention how thick the foam is? 

I am curious to see how you work the stow-ability of the controls.

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2014, 04:12:17 pm »
Space Truckin ... blast from the past ...

We had a lot of luck on Venus
We always had a ball on Mars
Meeting all the groovey people
We've rocked the Milky Way so far
We danced around with Borealice
We're space truckin' round the the stars
Come on let's go Space Truckin'

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Yes, stapling is the same as the previous project although this is a little easier than the dashboard.

The foam on the back is about 15mm, the foam on the seat is 25mm. Just been sitting in it for a while. It seems fairly comfortable although it's difficult to really tell as it's currently so low too the ground and my knees are raised as a consequence. The back of the sub-frame needs drop by about 3 cm for a better angle. A simple case of trimming a few pieces of wood which shouldn't take long. The angle of the back relative to the seat seems good. Due to the increase angle, the headrest will become an important factor for comfort as well.

The throttle and stick will drop into the side pods. The centre console/pole thing will allow for removable panels so it won't get in the way when I get in and out of the seat.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2014, 04:42:25 am »
Today I'll concentrate on a number of things:

1. Re-cut the sub-frame base to increase the recline angle.
2. Cut the access hole between the front seat pads
3. Construct the supporting structure to fit in the access hole.
4. Cut the pieces for the stowable panel mount (just the pole section at this point)



I'm planning on using some strong neodymium magnets as a means of holding the pole in-place.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2014, 09:47:33 am »
Pieces for the central bay area have been cut, shaped and beveled:





Reason for the odd shape:


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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2014, 01:29:57 pm »
I re-cut the top of one of the pieces as it was a little too pointed:



I've also made to centre pole for the console mount:





It'll need a bit of tidying up though.
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2014, 03:17:28 pm »
Centre console mechanism assembled:



The top needs a hole drilled to make an articulated mounting area.

I will use a bolt rather than a pencil when it comes to fitting.

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2014, 03:41:52 pm »
I certainly hope this will become a comfortable seat! :cheers:

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2014, 02:25:22 pm »
So do I emphatic!

Worked on the casing for the HOTAS. Started on the throttle.

Pieces cut for the main section:





Everything will be smoothed of with filler before covering in vinyl:



Side pieces cut and shaped:





Internal face routed to accept rubber inlay:



I'll use this material:



Side panel upright:



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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2014, 03:49:45 pm »
...motherfu- 

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again.


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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2014, 05:28:43 pm »
I'm constantly impressed with what people can do (and envisage) with MDF on this forum - this is looking amazing  :cheers:
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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2014, 03:24:46 am »
Thanks Chance and talkgeek. Hopefully this will complete my gaming setup: Arcade machine, gaming desk, sim racing rig, console cabinet and a flight sim set-up. Everything a grown man needs .... oh wait, where's the cabinet for vertical Shmups and the pinball table? Damn ....

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Re: CP-1 Command Pod: The VR Space exploration project
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2014, 04:41:14 am »
the displays arrived yesterday also (purely for aesthetics - no real function).
To make them functional, wire each in parallel with a potentiometer wiper (middle tab) and ground.

They will display a value between 0v and Vcc. (5v?)   ;D


Scott
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