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Slugworth:

--- Quote from: opt2not on September 18, 2014, 03:08:17 pm ---Not at all.  Same ol' same ol'.  :lol

I just like how he had to put quotations on "real artists". As if making artwork from scratch and charging (in 90% of the cases, under-charging) is something to scoff or look down on.

But hey, pirating artwork isn't stealing, especially if you can pay only $40 for it.  ;)

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I will add that I wish I lived in a world where I could justify buying some of your art.  Looks like you've done really cool cabinets and I respect the work and talent that takes. 

This thread wasn't meant to knock on people who create art for a living, but to highlight some other options for those without the means to spend several hundreds of dollars but still want to personalize their cabinets beyond black paint. 
yotsuya:

--- Quote from: Slugworth on September 18, 2014, 04:20:20 pm ---Certainly wasn't meant as a slight and hope it wasn't taken that way, it's just the definition of being an artist is completely arbitrary (as are most titles... Being a "business analyst" on its own doesn't make me any more qualified to analyze a business than someone who is a "sales director" for example).   But I'd also say that just because someone does art work as a hobby (or lives in India and can under sell you based on the fact that their cost of living is a fraction of yours, as is the case in this circumstance and the real benefit to using Elance) doesn't necessarily make them any less qualified to do the job than someone who does artwork full time.  You evaluate their portfolio and decide if you like what they do... Whether they are an artist, a stay at home mother, or a janitor makes little difference.
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You can do whatever you want. I think my buddy opt2not was offended because for years he, as a professional artist who has worked in the game community, has offered his services to do custom artwork. Naturally, as an accomplished artist, he expects to get paid the appropriate amount for his talents. When opt2not does something for you, you get something designed from scratch using his talents. He's not going to grab some free images off Google and pass them off as his creation (Mikonos, anyone?). I think he takes umbrage because you said:


--- Quote ---Ultimately I just wanted to let people know Elance is a great resource and you can get good work done for a fraction of what a "real artist" would charge you.
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Your use of the quotes around "real artist" basically denigrates the job that he as a real, honest-to-goodness makes-his-wage-from-his-talent artist does because he's too expensive for you. Hell, for $40 I could use my Photoshop skills and make you your own sideart and marquee, but there's no way I could create any original work that would look like something a real professional artist can make for you (nor would I call myself an artist). The way I think he sees it, you didn't pay $40 for an artist, you paid $40 for someone to manipulate ready-made graphics and then turned around and basically made it sound like anything more would be a waste of money.

I mean, I think I know what you meant, and I know you didn't mean it as a slight, but I could see how a real artist who has given his time and skill to this community over the years would have taken offense to your comments.
opt2not:
Yotsuya has articulated my pov perfectly.  :cheers:
I could elaborate more, but he hit all points.
Xiaou2:
Yotsuya covered most everything.

  I think its fine to outsource if you cant afford 1st world talent.   You wont get their services anyway. .. so its not like they are losing out.

 That said... promoting some hack that steals real artists originals... then screws them up royally to boot...AND has the audacity to charge money for said stolen property...  thats not acceptable to me.

 There are in fact many talented artists in impoverished countries that would make some amazing original works of art for the same money you spent on a hack of a stolen oil painting.

 And btw... if you only knew how much effort went into those original paintings... you would probably hit yourself with a hammer in self protest.    Oils take a long time to dry... so a painting could easily stretch on for several months of on and off work.   The work in such details is painstaking and very unforgiving... so one critical error could ruin a lot of work.  (Oils can be Translucent... rather than opaque like acrylics.. so mistakes cant just be covered over)

 And yeah,  it is a real insult for some digital hack to ruin your works with laughable ignorance, and ZERO foundations in art period.  Its like a gym teacher trying to direct a pro ballet.
Slugworth:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 18, 2014, 09:14:57 pm ---Yotsuya covered most everything.

  I think its fine to outsource if you cant afford 1st world talent.   You wont get their services anyway. .. so its not like they are losing out.

 That said... promoting some hack that steals real artists originals... then screws them up royally to boot...AND has the audacity to charge money for said stolen property...  thats not acceptable to me.

 There are in fact many talented artists in impoverished countries that would make some amazing original works of art for the same money you spent on a hack of a stolen oil painting.

 And btw... if you only knew how much effort went into those original paintings... you would probably hit yourself with a hammer in self protest.    Oils take a long time to dry... so a painting could easily stretch on for several months of on and off work.   The work in such details is painstaking and very unforgiving... so one critical error could ruin a lot of work.  (Oils can be Translucent... rather than opaque like acrylics.. so mistakes cant just be covered over)

 And yeah,  it is a real insult for some digital hack to ruin your works with laughable ignorance, and ZERO foundations in art period.  Its like a gym teacher trying to direct a pro ballet.

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There's a difference between not being able to afford 1st world talent, and not thinking it is worth the price.  Luckily, the world is large enough for different opinions, and I'm fine with that.  The purpose of this thread was to simply share a resource some folks may not be familiar with (Elance) where you can get customized artwork for a fraction of the price some people around here are charging.  Obviously a few people are interested, because I've received more than one PM asking for additional info on the process.  I realize I did not choose to purchase original artwork, and I'm fine with that.  I really don't care if you feel it was a bastardized version of a masterpiece... I am happy with my exchange.  If I hadn't been happy, I would have continued to rework the pieces with the contractor until I was satisfied.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and we obviously have different thoughts on the matter. 

If others are set on truly original artwork, Elance is still a great source to explore since you can receive multiple bids for your project from a global pool of talent with some very impressive portfolios.  I'm sure there are a few other similar websites out there, and would be interested to hear if anyone has had a good experience with one. 
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