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Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« on: July 13, 2014, 12:04:46 pm »



Okay, I bought what I thought was a Galaga machine at what I can only describe as an arcade junkyard here in Montgomery. I only paid $50 for it, but it was obviously not working. At first I thought that I would MAME it, but now after looking around around, I realized that I wanted to make it original again. So after looking into this, I discovered that I had not a Galaga cabinet, but a Galaxian one that had been converted to a Galaga one. What tipped me off was the envelope that I found in the bottom last night with all these electrical diagrams for Galaxian, that the cabinet was made in 1979, the overlay is Galaxian, and it had green T-molding.

Here is the album of Pics that I took last night:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Skywarp_TPK/library/Arcade


So, now I am at an impasse, as I don't really know where to go from here. Would it be a tragedy to fully convert this into a Galaga machine? Should I 60 and 1 it? Just gut it all out and throw a MAME PC in it? Or should I restore it to the original Galaxian?

The truth is, that this is my first project, and I couldn't even tell you what is missing in it. I am assuming that the PCB is missing, as that one connector in the photo that I am holding looks like it would plug into it. So please, take a look at the album, and give me some advice on how to move forward with this project.

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2014, 12:53:18 pm »
1.)Restore the cabinet to Galaxian.
2.)Mame it to play only vertical oriented games with 1 button
3.)Mod control panel with a http://www.ultimarc.com/servostik.html
4.)Config Frontend that only displays vertical games with 1 button
5.)?
6.)Profit

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2014, 05:59:10 pm »
Well, the thing is, it seems to be missing a lot of components. Any idea on where I can acquire them?

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2014, 06:23:21 pm »
I visually restored my first galaga to look 100% like a galaga. BUt since the boards were toast I wired it for jamma and put a 60 in 1 in it.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,129554.msg1429209.html


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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2014, 06:42:43 pm »
I visually restored my first galaga to look 100% like a galaga. BUt since the boards were toast I wired it for jamma and put a 60 in 1 in it.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,129554.msg1429209.html


To me, Galaga is a much better game than Galaxian, so worst case, make it a Galaga

Unless you really, really want to hunt for Galaxian parts, see above.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2014, 06:50:14 pm »
Well, I can find the marque and the control panel on Ebay. So that would leave the PCB, possibly coin mechanical parts, and put a new power supply.

If the monitor doesn't work, I could replace it or fix it's boards. I saw a youtube video with a guy that put in a cap kit as well as a couple more parts into a Galaxian monitor.

I am a bit of a novice at this, so what else am I missing?

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2014, 07:47:52 pm »
Well, I can find the marque and the control panel on Ebay. So that would leave the PCB, possibly coin mechanical parts, and put a new power supply.

If the monitor doesn't work, I could replace it or fix it's boards. I saw a youtube video with a guy that put in a cap kit as well as a couple more parts into a Galaxian monitor.

I am a bit of a novice at this, so what else am I missing?

well, even if you dont go 60 in 1, its better to use a switching power supply in a Galaga (conversion is super easy to do) instead of the old power supply. If you do go 60 in 1, the monitor can be replaced with a PC monitor (CRT or LCD) which while less authentic, is much easier for a novice.

I know you say its not working, are you powering it up with the back door off? There is an interlock power switch there (usually white) just pull it out if the door is off and it'll allow the game to power up.

its the switch half way up on the right:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135365.msg1397706.html

Also, your bezel is Galaxian and not Galaga  :cheers:
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2014, 08:23:53 pm »
Well, I can find the marque and the control panel on Ebay. So that would leave the PCB, possibly coin mechanical parts, and put a new power supply.

If the monitor doesn't work, I could replace it or fix it's boards. I saw a youtube video with a guy that put in a cap kit as well as a couple more parts into a Galaxian monitor.

I am a bit of a novice at this, so what else am I missing?

well, even if you dont go 60 in 1, its better to use a switching power supply in a Galaga (conversion is super easy to do) instead of the old power supply. If you do go 60 in 1, the monitor can be replaced with a PC monitor (CRT or LCD) which while less authentic, is much easier for a novice.

I know you say its not working, are you powering it up with the back door off? There is an interlock power switch there (usually white) just pull it out if the door is off and it'll allow the game to power up.

its the switch half way up on the right:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135365.msg1397706.html

Also, your bezel is Galaxian and not Galaga  :cheers:

Well, unless it is packed in with the monitor's control boards, It doesn't have a main game board in it. So unless I am mistaken, I can't test the switch or the power without it.

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 11:46:40 pm »
Here is a question for you folks. Will the PCB from the Cocktail version of Galaxian work in the upright? I found a tested working one for about $100, and that is really tempting to get, but I would like to know if it would work first.

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2014, 11:25:55 am »
Ok, I found this Marque off of Ebay, and its on its way!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Galaxian-Marquee-/291189619119?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=41rPPVewug4rdpSHzbjL5Fk3HFo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

$22.50 shipped for the Original Marque seems like a good deal to me! I might have to replace it one day with a new one, but for now, I think it should work and give the cabinet that aged survivor look to it.

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2014, 12:33:53 pm »
I believe the cocktail board has a dipswitch but I wouldnt swear to it.  I have a Galaga marquee in good shape that I'd sell you for $25 shipped
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 02:47:09 pm »
Tempting! I might have to use it and the CP on this one to start a Galaga machine!

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 09:08:29 am »
Well, I bought this PCB off of Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Working-GALXLIAN-Non-Jamma-PCB-w-Manual-International-Shipping/121372706550?_trksid=p5713.c100041.m2061&_trkparms=aid%3D333008%26algo%3DRIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23390%26meid%3D8332205415805069558%26pid%3D100041%26prg%3D9467%26rkt%3D8%26

Guaranteed to work, and its about half of the next cheapest one online.

So now I have the PCB on the way, what would you guys recommend to replace the power supply and power cord with?

Also, what should I start checking on this monitor to see if it is functional?


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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 10:59:01 am »
Not to sure whether this should be in Projects or still in restoration, but here is a look at the old power supply.



Should I try to see if it works still or just replace it with a new one?

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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 11:19:32 am »
those are isolation transformers
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2014, 11:24:30 am »
Like I said, I am a n00b at this. :) That is just a picture of the area where the cord connects to and there are a bunch of fuses around it. Is it missing something else?

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2014, 11:58:39 am »
So, from you are saying, unless its in this picture somewhere, It's missing the power supply:



It should look something like this right?:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Galaga-Arcade-Midway-Power-Supply-A084-90414-C935-A082-91410-A000-PCB-Board-/271540839508?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f39186454

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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2014, 12:25:23 pm »
the picture looks like the back of the monitor, the neck board at the end of the tube and the chassis to the "right"

That is a Galaga power supply. If Galaxian used the same one, then yeah that's what you look for. I pulled my Galaga PS and put in a regular switching power supply.
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2014, 12:37:33 pm »
Awesome. Going back and looking at your cabinet, I can see it sitting in there now. Anything I need to look for in when selecting a new Power Supply?

For Example, I found these two are very common on Ebay:

#1 16 AMP

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Arcade-Power-Supply-16A-5-12-5-Multicade-8-Liners-15-Amp-Replacement-/251471004827?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8cd7049b

#2 15 AMP

http://www.ebay.com/itm/15A-Arcade-Switching-Power-Supply-110W-110-220V-w-5-/330571172387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf793ca23
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2014, 12:40:22 am »
Also, I can get an Galaxian Power Supply Conversion Kit from http://www.arcadeshop.com, but I am not too sure if that includes the power supply or just the cable that connects the power supply to the card, which i the picture looks like some kind of adapter.

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2014, 07:56:10 am »
Id be more inclined to get a Galaxian to Jamma adapter, and wire the cab for JAMMA with a 15A switching power supply.   Ive restored a Galaga, but not a Galaxian, so I'd hate to lead yuo down the wrong path.  I'd suggest doing as much research as you can BEFORE buying a bunch of parts.  Clean out the cab as best you can and take some well lit pictures, it'll help us see what is and more importantly what ISNT in there.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2014, 10:44:40 am »
Hmmn, that sounds cool to me. Arcadeshop has the adapter too, so I can get that there along with the kit. However, you are correct about the cabinet and photos. I will try to get some work done on it tonight, take some pics with something other than my iPad, and maybe we can see what's missing. :)


I also intend on going back to the Arcade Graveyard tomorrow to see if I can get the other Galaxian cabinet for some spare parts (ie Control panel).

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2014, 01:55:17 pm »
Here is something unusual:

http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1336.0

Its a rebuild of a Galaxian cabinet. The cabinet works, but I don't see where the power supply is, but apparently its working.

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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2014, 03:08:04 pm »
One more question for now:


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What did you use to remove the black paint off of your Mortal Kombat cabinet? I thought that I might try it on the sides of this one to see if i can get the black paint to come off.

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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2014, 03:26:43 pm »
What remover did you use on the paint?

I used kleen paint stripper, the 30 minute kind. I spread it on, then scraped it off about 10 minutes later. That's enough to get the top layer off without damaging the art.
Then I used this stuff:
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basically spray it on, then scrape it off. The trick I invented was to spray it on, then lay either paper towels or shop towels on it, then spray them. Let it sit for 30 to 45 minutes, then scrape, then wipe with the paper towels (thats why you see paper towels on the cab in some of the pictures) I came up with that technique about 5 years ago when removing the paint from my KI cab: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,88688.0.html
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2014, 09:51:32 pm »
Awesome! I got the stuff from Home Depot, and I will try to start tonight or tomorrow night! I found this link that might hint at what's going on with the cabinet's power supply:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vys-s1cTT6g&list=WL&index=59

I cleaned up the inside a bit and photographed the inside of the cabinet to show what is going on. I used a floor lamp for some more lighting, and my PaS camera with flash on to get the pics this time instead of my iPad:
















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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2014, 10:20:54 pm »
so here's whats going on, and this should be a huge help.

the 3rd pic your posted showed where the power board was cut.  I believe that Galaxian and Galaga used the same power supply, so you should be able to google "galaga switching power supply conversion" and get an idea on how to fix it. good news is the edge connector for Galaxian is still in there (might be galaga, so check the pin outs on both games and see if they match up) so after you put in either a new galaxian power supply, or convert to a switching one, you should be pretty good to go, that is, assuming the monitor is good.

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2014, 11:24:01 pm »
Awesome news! :D

I just got back in from trying the paint removal trick. I laid down the thinner, and waited the ten minutes and started scraping.  It had a degree of success. The good news is that most of the black paint came off. The bad news, most of the underlying original paint came off as well. lol. It now has the artwork outline on it giving it a coloring book/sketch effect to it.  I kind of like it!  I have it sprayed down now with the paper towels sprayed on top of it. another 15-30 minutes, and I will go back and check on it again.













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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2014, 12:27:17 am »
Well, I had a bit more luck in this stage.

Instead of scraping, I used a 120 grit sponge that I picked up in Home Depot today, and it seem to do a good job of removing the black paint without damaging the color underneath. There still is a bit more on this side, but I am done for the night, and I will pick it back up again tomorrow.














There are a couple things I can try to improve the other side:

1. Use a ton more Kleen Thinner. I thought that I put a good amount on, but perhaps I need to make the entire thing bubble up.

2. Wait longer for the Kleen. I waited a good 10-12 minutes after I finished applying it to start scraping. I might need to wait the full 30.

3. Use just the Lift Off Spray.

4. Use the sponge instead of the scraper.

Then again, with the age of the cabinet, and the fact that paint has probably been on there for 20 - 25 years, It could be that this is as good as it will get.
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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2014, 06:45:49 am »
You can use just the spray but it takes longer.  You have to put a pretty thick layer of the gel on for it to work. If you wait the full 30 minutes it'll start to eat the vinyl. I do the stripping in 1 - 2 foot sections at a time.
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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2014, 10:48:12 am »
so here's whats going on, and this should be a huge help.

the 3rd pic your posted showed where the power board was cut.  I believe that Galaxian and Galaga used the same power supply, so you should be able to google "galaga switching power supply conversion" and get an idea on how to fix it. good news is the edge connector for Galaxian is still in there (might be galaga, so check the pin outs on both games and see if they match up) so after you put in either a new galaxian power supply, or convert to a switching one, you should be pretty good to go, that is, assuming the monitor is good.

Looking for Pinout information, if they did rewire this for Galaga, then the pin outs are wrong on it.

https://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/spies.cgi?action=url&type=pinout&page=Pac.html
https://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/spies.cgi?action=url&type=pinout&page=Galaga.html

Pacman, Ms Pacman, and Galaxian use the same Pinout, but for Galaga, it looks like they changed it up a bit. I will just have to check the board when it gets here vs the connector. I might have to rewire the whole cabinet to JAMMA after all.

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2014, 02:12:19 pm »
And I just got back from the Arcade graveyard again. Sadly all of the cabinets there except for the other Galaxian cabinet were generics. Even the Popeye and Donkey Kong were KOs or generics. The other Galaxian cab was in worse shape than I thought, as it was heavily modified and looked like it had been converted over to Galaga as well. It had a newer style power supply, a 25" monitor to replace to original, and a Galaga control panel. I was really hoping that the two Popeyes and the DK cabinets were legit, as I wanted to make a Wreck It Ralph MAME cabinet. At this point I don't know if I will go back to the graveyard until I get finished with this project. Then I will just grab a cabinet to make into a 60in1.

I did manage to get a Coin bucket for $1 that cleaned up rather nicely.

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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2014, 06:06:34 pm »


Woot! My Marque arrived today! Now I really want to get cranking along with this project!

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2014, 09:44:06 pm »
Being more cautious on the second side, I applied just the lift off spray this time. That being said, I did buy some different thinner just in case the lift off doesn't work.








I waited about an hour, but it didn't get much off by itself. The spots were it was rippling it seem to be working well.  So I applied another coat, and now I am waiting for it to tkae effect before trying to remove any more paint.


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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2014, 12:32:44 am »
Ok, I switched to the plastic scraper, and just used the lay off, as I think that I had less paint on mine cabinet and it was flaky anyways.  I got much better results!





This time the color preserved almost perfectly! I am being very patient and only lightly scraping the areas that are bubbled up, and that seems to be the key. I sprayed it again and I am leaving it overnight, and hopefully tomorrow I can finish that side!

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2014, 09:38:00 am »
So digging some more I found this thread where people were talking about converting Galaxian to a switching power supply:

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=33794

They said it was pretty much identical to the Pac Man/Ms Pacman board and you can use that method to convert it. So I stumbled upon Bob Roberts page about that:

http://arcadecontrols.com/BBBB/pacpower.html

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2014, 09:56:11 am »
Ive never stripped an entire cab side at once, I usually do 3 foot x 3 foot sections.  Leaving the spray on too long will make it evaporate, the paper towels help drastically slow down the evaporation so that it can strip the paint better.

To be more precise on how I strip cabs:


I test a small corner, usually behind the CP with a small glob of the thicker gel stripper (the 30 minute kind)
after 10 minutes I use a small putty knife to scrape away the paint.
if no paint comes up, I reapply the gel stripper and let it go another 10
if the majority of the paint comes up , and the art under IS damaged I dont use the gel and just use the spray bottle stripper
if the majority of the paint comes up , and the art under ISNT damaged ,  I gel up a 1 to 2 foot wide square.
I continue to work in 1 to 2 foot sections trying to get the majority of the paint off with the gel stripper
once the entire side is mostly removed, like this:


then I use the spray bottle stuff and paper towels to clean off the remaining paint. like so:

spray a section with a generous amount of the bottle spray, lay paper towels down, then spray them too.
after a little more scraping (if need be) I just wipe with paper towels.

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now as for wiring.........
I've only even done the switching power supply conversion for Galaga so I dont want to lead you down the wrong path destroying the boards or anything.
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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2014, 11:14:43 am »
I figured that the first side outcome was due to my impatience, that the process needed to be done more cautiously and in sections. I will try your method tonight on the rest of the side to see how that works, as well as the front kick plate.

As for that wiring, I found out that the boards are pretty similar , but there is a slight difference between Galaga and Galaxian. I found a Galaxian power supply kit on Arcade Shop, and I plan on getting that and using it to connect to the board when it gets here next week.

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2014, 11:35:05 am »
I just ordered a Galaxian Power Supply Upgrade kit and a new 8' cord from Arcadeshop.com! Hopefully they will be here next week when the main CPB get here!

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Re: Need help with a Galaxian/Galaga Cabinet restore!
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2014, 04:27:57 pm »
Well, I got my Main PCB in today! I might be able to test it next week when my Arcadeshop order arrives!










  
 

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