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| BadMouth:
In keeping with people without 4 player panels weighing in....... When you choose a playing position on 4 player games like TMNT and The Simpsons, you are mainly choosing a character. It's not so much that you're player 1 or 2, but you are Marge or Homer. In my mind it makes the most sense for the players to be in the same order as the characters appear on the screen. (1 2 3 4) It seems weird to me that if you wanted to be the leftmost character, you'd choose one of the controls in the center. IMO, we should compile a list of 4 player games which work this way; the characters appear on the screen in order and the character chosen is based on player position. There aren't that many 4 player games. It can't be that big of a list. That way someone can go back and individually remap those games. EDIT: What the hell, I came home early from work due to weather...will update as I test. Reference list of 4 player games: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,16101.msg127936.html#msg127936 Games where character is based solely on player #: Bomber Man World Brute Force Captain America and the Avengers The Combatribes Crime Fighters D.D. Crew Dark Adventure Desert Assault Double Dragon 3 Escape Kids Exvania Gauntlet Gauntlet II Gauntlet Dark Legacy Gauntlet Legends Growl Heated Barrel Main Event Mercs Metamorphic Force Numan Athletics Punk Shot Quartet Rampage Rampage: World Tour The Simpsons Sunset Riders Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Turtles in Time Thunder Zone Vendetta X-Men 6 player notes: allows you to select character EDIT: DECIDED TOO MANY TO LIST Alien Storm Arabian Fight Arabian Magic Battletoads Battle Circuit Bucky O'Hare - can choose character, but scores & power bars in order Blazing Tornado Stone Ball X-men 4 player Dungeons & Dragons Warriors of Fate WWF WrestleMania WWF WrestleFest FINAL (FOR ME ANYWAY): NO PLANS TO FURTHER UPDATE THIS LIST I crossed out Gauntlet Legends/Dark Legacy because they didn't really fit my criteria. You are stuck with a color, but are allowed to choose a character. As stated below, if I had a 4 player panel I'd set most of the games to 1 2 3 4. Even if your player position doesn't limit you to a certain character, having them that way makes more sense with the positions of the scores on the screen and such. All of these games will allow you to play a one player game from the player 2 position. You don't have to stand on the end just because you have player 1 mapped there. |
| PL1:
Here's a list of special considerations for 4-player builds compiled from other threads. Anything else that should be included? * Angled Joysticks = bad (include pic and text) * P3 and P4 don't need more than 4 buttons for MAME games * Put coin and start buttons where you don't have to reach across another player to press them * Some games assign credits based on the coin slot used so you'll want a coin button for each player. * Put Exit, Pause, and other admin buttons where you won't accidently hit them while coining up/start during spirited play * If you want to play 2-player games with 2 sticks per player (like Karate Champ Player vs Player, Smash TV, or Total Carnage), you'll want the P3/P1 and P2/P4 joysticks to be close to the same reach distance from the player (find pic of gauntlet CP for negative example) * The position of the buttons for P3 and P4 can cause them to turn closer to or further away from the player next to them. * Make a test panel and have 4 large players test for elbow room * How do you plan on moving it? Casters on side for easier transport through a door? flat dolly? * IPac4 has an overlap between P2 buttons 5-8 (undefined in MAME) and the default P3 joystick directions. You'll want to change those P2 buttons and enter the new settings into MAME. * Don't drill any holes until you have decided on the art work if any and its position on the CP. * Most people set up the joysticks/encoder in a 3, 1, 2, 4 configuration so the vast majority of games (1 or 2 player games) have players 1 and 2 in the center. * For some 4-player games, if you change the in-game control settings so MAME has players in a 1, 2, 3, 4 configuration it will match up with the screen -- farthest left on the control panel = farthest left on the screen. When you choose a playing position on 4 player games like TMNT and The Simpsons, you are mainly choosing a character. It's not so much that you're player 1 or 2, but you are Marge or Homer. * One downside to remapping is possibly causing confusion if you have labels/start buttons with the player# imprint instead of a generic "start" label/vinyl button sticker. * List of 4P games where player #s/characters are in a 1, 2, 3, 4 (left to right) configuration -- compiled by BadMouth :notworthy: Bomber Man World Brute Force Captain America and the Avengers The Combatribes Crime Fighters D.D. Crew Dark Adventure Desert Assault Double Dragon 3 Escape Kids Exvania Gauntlet Gauntlet II Gauntlet Dark Legacy Gauntlet Legends Growl Heated Barrel Main Event Mercs Metamorphic Force Numan Athletics Punk Shot Quartet Rampage Rampage: World Tour The Simpsons Sunset Riders Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Turtles in Time Thunder Zone Vendetta X-Men 6 player (X-men 4 player allows you to select character independent of player position) |
| BadMouth:
I'm about 2/3 through a list of 4 player games. I'm done. Those listed are ones where your character is dependent on which player number you are. I've left out those that allow you to choose your character regardless of which player number you are. Also those where everyone's character looks the same, but they are different colors. Not everyone has a different color joystick for each player and the colors they have may or may not apply to the game. After fiddling around with all these 4 player games all evening, I think I'd just make all the 4 player games 1 2 3 4. I don't really see much reason not to. I don't think the little symbols on the start buttons would cause much confusion as long as they are located logically. EDIT: Numan Athletics = 4 player Track 'N Field :lol |
| PL1:
Thanks much, BadMouth. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: Copied the game list into my earlier post with the list of special considerations for 4-player builds. Anything else that should be included when it gets wiki-fied? ;D Scott |
| BadMouth:
--- Quote from: PL1 on February 13, 2014, 11:12:08 pm ---Anything else that should be included when it gets wiki-fied? ;D --- End quote --- I'll leave that for someone else to answer tonight. It's been a long day and my brain has shut down. :dizzy: |
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