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Pro Monaco GP (Sega 1980) - Confused by the Bezel [SOLVED]
dkersten:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 31, 2014, 10:37:23 pm --- Heck, one thing that really kills me... is how people replace actual screenshots of arcade CRTs with Mame's (and other emulators too) raw snapshots.
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Just curious, how do you take a screenshot of something not run in an operating system that allows you to take screenshots?? And if you could, how do you accurately display the screenshot if you aren't using the original monitor?? If the subtleties come from the original monitor, then asking for an accurate screenshot would be like asking for a recording of what an analogue source would sound like run through a tube amp and played on a really high end set of speakers..
Don't get me wrong, I understand what your complaint is, just not what anyone could possibly do about it short of physically placing you in front of the original equipment. At best you get a photograph of the screen, which even with the right ambient light, the right film, and a skilled photographer is still not going to accurately represent all the subtletees, and THEN you are going to convert that medium to a digital format and display it on a computer monitor.. :dizzy:
Dr. Morbis:
Alright, here is a close-up of the wreath beside 'Your Score' and the highest score above 10,000. I'll try and get a video of the little leds in action next weekend when a friend is over - it's kinda tough to take a photo/video of something that only lights up when you're playing a game when you're by yourself.
As for Pro Monaco's release, I guess I was wrong about it being Japan only, as this photo here is on Monaco GP's page on Wikipedia, clearly showing a machine with a Japanese bezel (the pic is much larger and clearer on Wikipedia). I don't know where the version with the English bezel was meant for release or how many actually made it out the door, but it couldn't have been a whole lot...
Xiaou2:
--- Quote from: dkersten on August 05, 2014, 05:04:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 31, 2014, 10:37:23 pm --- Heck, one thing that really kills me... is how people replace actual screenshots of arcade CRTs with Mame's (and other emulators too) raw snapshots.
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Just curious, how do you take a screenshot of something not run in an operating system that allows you to take screenshots?? And if you could, how do you accurately display the screenshot if you aren't using the original monitor?? If the subtleties come from the original monitor, then asking for an accurate screenshot would be like asking for a recording of what an analogue source would sound like run through a tube amp and played on a really high end set of speakers..
Don't get me wrong, I understand what your complaint is, just not what anyone could possibly do about it short of physically placing you in front of the original equipment. At best you get a photograph of the screen, which even with the right ambient light, the right film, and a skilled photographer is still not going to accurately represent all the subtletees, and THEN you are going to convert that medium to a digital format and display it on a computer monitor.. :dizzy:
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Its far closer in approximation, to show a photograph of an arcade machine, than to show a mame bitmap output.
Mame is designed to output the raw signal.. but that Raw image, or Raw image on a modern display, is NOT the intended end result that was seen or experienced, on a real machine.
There will come a day, when no more arcade CRTs exist and function... and at that point.. will anyone know what these games "Really" looked like? Maybe.. if people didnt replace all of the Photos with ugly raw bitmaps...
A real photo, despite its limitations, looks Infinitely better, and is FAR more nostalgic.
The same thing ticks me off about the Bezel project. (as well as the Pinball vector crud)
You get a clueless kid to scan the art... who then takes the scan, and redraws it into vectors by hand. However, due to his poor artistic abilities... limited color spectrum vision and low quality non-calibrated monitor, his lack of attention, lack of comparisons, and lack of any sort of checks and balances... his final output is far from being an arcade accurate bezel. Often having poor color matching. Poor and inaccurate line work. Poor detail work.. with them often changing the art as they see fit.
Its not preservation.
Its butchery and blasphemy.
Not only that... but when its displayed in its raw vector form.. It looks NOTHING like what you would see at an arcade.. even if the arcade just came out of the factory as brand new.
Quite simply, grab a real machines photos... and compare them to the bezels that are output with mames capture.
Its not even in the same universe, as far as correct look goes.
shponglefan:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 09, 2014, 03:25:36 pm --- Its not preservation.
Its butchery and blasphemy.
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They're just video games, dude.
ark_ader:
--- Quote from: shponglefan on August 09, 2014, 03:41:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 09, 2014, 03:25:36 pm --- Its not preservation.
Its butchery and blasphemy.
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They're just video games, dude.
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We will see what kind of reaction you make, when I Mame a perfect LadyBug cab. :lol