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Need your help: Street Fighter II Pedestal Round 2: Feedback from builder
kaneda:
So I asked for the buttons to be closer together, the 3-4 player joysticks not to be angled, and to lose the 5th stick. Here's what I got.
Let me explain a few things and if you still want to do these modifications we will...
1. The reason that all 4 player control panels built today and as far back as over 20 years ago is because angling the outer players gives the two inner player more shoulder room. If you make all player's controls straight across it will require a larger than 48"W panel (most likely 54" at least) to fit everything and give all players the same space to play as the angled 48" panels. We have built 100's of 4 player player angled panels and have not had 1 complaint on the playability and function.
2. If you want the player 3/4 controls moved up to the extreme top of the panel like in this picture you sent it will cause player 3/4 to have to reach up and over player 1 and 2's controls making play uncomfortable for all players. The owner of the cabinet "Pierce's Arcade" complained of this after we built this machine with these controls this far up (although he also made this request and later regretted it)
3. The reason the street fighter's buttons were so close together is because of the space limitation problem Capcom had with the normal 19" monitored or 25" monitored cabinets. They had to fit 6 buttons in the space normally allotted for 2 buttons on these classic cabinets. Normal button spacing for us and most arcade machines back in the good ol days were at 1.5" center to center from one button to the next. This is the most comfortable layout for ADULTS hands to play at and how we and many other cabinet manufacturers today build their machines for Adults.
4. The majority of players playing these Street fighter cabinets back in the day were children with smaller hands. Cramming all 6 buttons next to each other at less than this 1.5" C-C spacing will be uncomfortable for all ADULT players and will feel very cramped.
To rebuild this control panel will take weeks, I have about 30 custom orders going on right now that have a Christmas Deadline.
I just finished your new paint on your new control panel box and we had planned on finishing your machine up by Friday.
This will push this finish time back by about 2-3 weeks by the time I have new artwork mocked up, approved again by you and shipped to us. Then we will need to rebuild an entire new control panel box (wide enough for 4 straight player controls) and a whole new control panel and rewire everything.
Your choice, just let me know and we'll make it happen.
Thanks much,
JDFan:
Since they already have the panel build and you are not sure if you actually need the changes ( since you are just now changing your mind on what you wanted due to feedback and critiques from the various forums) I would suggest asking them how much it would cost to get a second CP created in the future with the changes (If you take delivery as is and decide that the changes are needed to make gameplay feel right) - Since recreating the CP at this point is going to also require reprinting the artwork to adjust the layout to match the new positions of the sticks. They may be willing to agree to make a second CP after the holidays for a small fee to cover the materials and artwork printing since they will not be in a rush to finish other projects at that time and you may find that it works fine for you with the current layout and do not need the adjustments made - so wouldn't hurt to see if they would be willing to send the finished machine on Friday (since they say that is when it will be shipped) and let you play it for awhile and decide if you do need the changes and then once you decide exactly what needs changing have them remake a new CP box that fixes those things and ship it to you for a small fee that covers their costs and you can then moves the components over to the new CP.
Figure that may be the best option at this point since you get the machine and can play test it to see if you really need the changes and know you can get it fixed if needed at a price you already know - and they get paid for the machine and can move on to the other projects and not have your machine taking up space while it waits for a new CP to be made when they find the time. Then after playing on the machine for awhile you will be in a better position to know just what changes are needed and can have them remake the CP with those changes incorporated if needed.
Nephasth:
yotsuya:
Yeah, stop worring about it. You wanted feedback, you got feedback, but ultimately, you and your friends are the judge of your product. Take delivery, play it, and see how it feels.
I'm not sure why he thinks you need a new straight panel. You can still angle off the corners, but orient the sticks parallel with the monitor.
Oh, and this line cracks me up; "The majority of players playing these Street fighter cabinets back in the day were children with smaller hands."
Based on what I recall, the majority of players playing those Street Fighter cabinets back in the day were older teens and young adults.
HaRuMaN:
At a minimum, I'd ask for a new piece of plexi. Looks like they screwed through the top of the plexi (look at all the dimples in the picture). Completely unnecessary, and it looks like poo. The buttons are enough to hold the plexi on.