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Lilwolf:
Don't run worth a crap??? They run GREAT! So good infact that their isn't a machine today that can play them all... THAT GOOD! You should be excited that they do this. But the info is now there... So if anyone wants to HLE them there might be a playable version soon. All the hard part is done. And in a few years... You will be playing them full screen, without hacks, near perfect! Just for upgrading your system. I personally think mame goes too far into getting games playable. 1) They don't emulate the hardware... The emulate the hardware to get the game running. Example. You should be able to play all games without roms and the system should do what would happen if you removed the roms (many boards really do something). 2) They don't document the hardware well. Why? They add speedup hacks that make the software hard to read. It would be nice if you could learn more about the hardware by reading the code. I think this would be a great use for mame, and would promote smaller, faster emulators to come out. And would probably help mame emulate some games faster (because they wouldn't be thinking speed hacks right away, but documenting) Last.... Many of the mame dev. have complained about debugging a game that runs slow... Why? when a bug doesn't show up until the second level.... And that takes about 15 - 20 minutes to get there at 1-10fps... Well... Makes them just not to look at it closer... So there is a limit. |
william1983:
at the rate the games are going games like crusing USA and mace the dark age wont even be playable with a 5 gigahertz cpu...accurate emulation....OK what i dont understand is they say streetfighterEX does work yet it plays FINE in zinc...besuase they using the video cards to do most of the work.. and carnievil will NEVER play at full speed not less you have a 5 or 6 gigahertz computer.. no theyre not accurate..does anyone remeber the early verisions of MAME when the had games like mortal kombat an street fighter 2 and street fighter 2 the movie..running FULL-SPEED on my sis's celeron 700 mhz. i tried the newest version of mame on her computer. playing the above metioned games are not even POSSIBLE even with sound OFF.. if they wanted to make them play at full speed on a 2 gig machine they WOULD.. instead they wanna make you wait... like they had KOF2002 on mame32 then they took it off... go figure...... |
jdsony:
heheh, were really mame bashing huh? Well I do like Mame a lot, so many games so little time especially if I take it over to a friends house...there just isn't enough time to beat more than a few games. But of course as with anything it could be better. I in no way want the developers to stop doing what they are doing because they are doing a lot of hard work that most others aren't patient or capable enough to do. I do hope they add some sort of 3D acceleration though. They are adding games that used 3DFX video cards and other 3D processing hardware, It only makes sense to take advantage of the PC 3D hardware since it serves the same purpose. I guess from the developers view they want to get the games emulated in MAME and then they have been succesfull in that one day everyone can look back and play the old arcade games that are long since dead and gone. Makes sense. As a Mame user I guess I see it differently because I'm like a starved kid who just can't get enough and there are still thousand's of arcade games out there I haven't played :D |
Sephroth57:
i agree that the MAME team is doing a great thing for arcade lovers everywhere. on the otherhand they really should let us at least have some 3d hardware useage or speed hacks. and technicly i own most of the fighting games on console that i want to play on MAME i just want them to work in my cab |
Minwah:
--- Quote from: william1983 on December 09, 2003, 02:29:34 pm ---at the rate the games are going games like crusing USA and mace the dark age wont even be playable with a 5 gigahertz cpu...accurate emulation....OK 1) what i dont understand is they say streetfighterEX does work yet it plays FINE in zinc...besuase they using the video cards to do most of the work.. 2) and carnievil will NEVER play at full speed not less you have a 5 or 6 gigahertz computer.. 3) no theyre not accurate..does anyone remeber the early verisions of MAME when the had games like mortal kombat an street fighter 2 and street fighter 2 the movie..running FULL-SPEED on my sis's celeron 700 mhz. i tried the newest version of mame on her computer. playing the above metioned games are not even POSSIBLE even with sound OFF.. 4) if they wanted to make them play at full speed on a 2 gig machine they WOULD.. 5) instead they wanna make you wait... 6) like they had KOF2002 on mame32 then they took it off... --- End quote --- I don't agree with a lot of this... 1) I believe generally games work OK/fast in ZiNc because either they employ some tricks to do so (ie not necessarilly accurate, which is MAME's main purpose - accuracy). 2) Who cares! Arcade games aren't MEANT to be played on PC's at all, the fact that we are lucky enough to play thousands of arcade games at full speed is great IMO. If I was a developer I wouldn't care that the people who play the games have to wait a few years to get a quick enough CPU - it really isn't the dev's problem. 3) Every version of MAME gets slower because the emulation is improved (often more CPU hungry) and more and more games are added (which slows it down also). This is why earlier versions played MK OK on your 700Mhz PC - why not get an older MAME version and play it if you are that bothered? 4) True. But they don't want to, why should they? The task is (generally) to get the game(s) emulated, regardless of how quick. If some optimisations can be made after then great. 5) Why would they want to make us wait? 6) They removed the game as it is too new. Better that than get into trouble over emulating a game still making money. Again use an older versions if you are that bothered. That's the way I see it anyway :) |
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