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| Vigo:
Copyright law is nothing a pile of turds in a clogged toilet and you know it. Reaching in and using those turds as a weapon will just give you as dirty of hands as the guy who has to dodge around the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. I disagree with Haze a lot, and I actually agree with you that it does come off as hypocritical to start lecturing about the law while at the same time stating he can be above it for philosophical reasons, but really, you are doing the same damn thing by using mame yet at the same time chastising a guy for skirting around the law. If you are gonna have a beef with him, stick to your own principles and stop trying to trap him with copyright law. |
| ark_ader:
--- Quote from: Vigo on August 07, 2013, 05:46:10 pm ---Copyright law is nothing a pile of turds in a clogged toilet and you know it. Reaching in and using those turds as a weapon will just give you as dirty of hands as the guy who has to dodge around the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. I disagree with Haze a lot, and I actually agree with you that it does come off as hypocritical to start lecturing about the law while at the same time stating he can be above it for philosophical reasons, but really, you are doing the same damn thing by using mame yet at the same time chastising a guy for skirting around the law. If you are gonna have a beef with him, stick to your own principles and stop trying to trap him with copyright law. --- End quote --- Its not copyright law that I am subjecting him with. Haze thinks the 60n1 boards are illegal due to his and several others contributions that eventually made the 60n1 boards a reality, this presents the crux of his argument but it is more complicated than that. You can see on his website he is actively cracking the protection systems on software that is not commercially dead. Those games will end up in these Xn1 boards he hates so much. I can understand his point on a game like moon cresta machine or Star Castle as those machines are not manufactured anymore. Pac man gets raised from the dead more times than Monroe, so that game should be hands off as it is commercially available and viable. Mamedevs are strict on the public distribution of arcade roms, but there is no mention on how these said roms are captured and used by the development team. This was not the case in the early days. In all possibility the captured rom could be stored in a central location and tested by the QA team or lead developer. But the ex project lead developer is not answering (refusing to answer) those questions. Again the same questions on how a rare board is captured and found on a torrent or via a burning crew. These questions go unanswered. If the board is purchased, the rom is captured, analysed and source documented, the rom deleted and the board sold on to buy more boards makes perfect sense. Again silence from the ex Lead Mamedev. So copyright law is not the problem, and their actions is loosely covered under the DMCA for library archiving. So why the mystery? Does the end justify the means of the 60n1? I think it does. Then the rabbit hole goes even deeper than you or I will possible imagine, on a huge global scale. His comments towards IP owners asking the mamedevs to help them recover their lost code is amazing. Slighly hard to believe. It is like IBM going to the Geek Squad to recover their hard drives. :lol Yet it doesn't hurt to ask questions, especially difficult ones. Especially when the said Mamedev is spouting against the very thing he inadvertently helped to become a reality, and crying about it. He doesn't seem to mind those who create forks of hacked Mame code, which would tick me off as a developer. No he is a bit quiet on that bit. ::) |
| saint:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on August 07, 2013, 02:06:50 pm ---Give me a break. Now all you do is post trolling comments (which I believe is very accurate) on your site. Nothing wrong about it. Just please do not come on this site and give us your ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- on distributing activities you guys so actively engage in. I would give you a pass if you are doing work for the library of congress and archiving. It is so funny. :laugh2: But you are not doing that are you? How does these hundreds of international coders get a rare rom code to emulate in the first place? Please tell us. Just keep doing what you do best, leave the moral arguments to those more qualified and one day I'm sure you will get the captains chair again. :cheers: --- End quote --- You're being an ass. Make your points without the condescension and antagonism please. And the original OP didn't ask about morality, he asked about legality. Haze's response that xx-in-1 boards are illegal is correct, the ROMs are not licensed. I'm forking off the morality/philosophy bits from the original point of this thread, the legality. |
| ark_ader:
--- Quote from: saint on August 08, 2013, 07:50:23 am --- --- Quote from: ark_ader on August 07, 2013, 02:06:50 pm ---Give me a break. Now all you do is post trolling comments (which I believe is very accurate) on your site. Nothing wrong about it. Just please do not come on this site and give us your ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- on distributing activities you guys so actively engage in. I would give you a pass if you are doing work for the library of congress and archiving. It is so funny. :laugh2: But you are not doing that are you? How does these hundreds of international coders get a rare rom code to emulate in the first place? Please tell us. Just keep doing what you do best, leave the moral arguments to those more qualified and one day I'm sure you will get the captains chair again. :cheers: --- End quote --- You're being an ass. Make your points without the condescension and antagonism please. And the original OP didn't ask about morality, he asked about legality. Haze's response that xx-in-1 boards are illegal is correct, the ROMs are not licensed. I'm forking off the morality/philosophy bits from the original point of this thread, the legality. --- End quote --- Fair enough but you could have kept the excellent research material I found, which surprisingly vindicated Haze and his methods. :) |
| saint:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on August 08, 2013, 08:27:09 am --- --- Quote from: saint on August 08, 2013, 07:50:23 am --- --- Quote from: ark_ader on August 07, 2013, 02:06:50 pm ---Give me a break. Now all you do is post trolling comments (which I believe is very accurate) on your site. Nothing wrong about it. Just please do not come on this site and give us your ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- on distributing activities you guys so actively engage in. I would give you a pass if you are doing work for the library of congress and archiving. It is so funny. :laugh2: But you are not doing that are you? How does these hundreds of international coders get a rare rom code to emulate in the first place? Please tell us. Just keep doing what you do best, leave the moral arguments to those more qualified and one day I'm sure you will get the captains chair again. :cheers: --- End quote --- You're being an ass. Make your points without the condescension and antagonism please. And the original OP didn't ask about morality, he asked about legality. Haze's response that xx-in-1 boards are illegal is correct, the ROMs are not licensed. I'm forking off the morality/philosophy bits from the original point of this thread, the legality. --- End quote --- Fair enough but you could have kept the excellent research material I found, which surprisingly vindicated Haze and his methods. :) --- End quote --- I did not delete any posts. |
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