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Continuation of HAZE and ark-adr's legal conversation re: MAME, etc.
Le Chuck:
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--- Quote from: Le Chuck on August 08, 2013, 08:13:00 pm ---...I would generally advise against her providing tactical advice on, say, mounted operations in urban terrain under the cover of darkness....
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Le Chuck? How do you think kids are made? Sex joke.
:lol
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Probably by a bunch of privates in a poorly ventilated workspace under austere conditions. The government issues them to me just like everything else - doi
They're an accountable item, we have inspections and everything. ;D
Haze:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on August 09, 2013, 05:39:00 am ---blah blah blah
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Like I said I consider your posts / questions trolling and won't respond to them, so give it up. There is no worth in answering you questions, and once again you're dragging things off-topic.
I'm here to help educate others (and I feel I'm doing a decent job of that) not feed the troll.
Most of what you say has already been answered anyway, the words neutral, independent, unbiased, and document are the ones you're looking for.
Haze:
--- Quote from: jdbailey1206 on August 09, 2013, 07:22:32 am ---
--- Quote from: DGP on August 08, 2013, 06:19:59 pm ---...If the :censored: were to hit the fan here (legally) then the devs and distributors are the first target and not the millions that are using what they have created, ....
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I agree to this. Though I would like MAME more to Napster. Both programs respectively by themselves cause on harm. But once you put ROMS or songs in them and utilize them with their intended use then you start to run into legal problems. The funny thing is those who get the legal action brought on them is not the end user who is using the program but the person who actually created it. When it should be the other way around. Those who are bringing legal action don't realize that this beast is like the Hydra. Cut off it's head and two more appear.
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MAME doesn't have built-in file sharing, it's closer to a combination of WinAmp and Wikipedia than Napster. It has plenty of people using it for good, and undisputed value.
The software is produced with completely different intentions, and has completely different long-term value, so I wouldn't say it is comparable at all.
Something like Napster has no purpose, no value, to the industry. It's only function was to share MP3 files by connecting users. It's completely replaceable, and if f you kill it then nothing of value is lost.
MAME on the other hand has immense value, it tells you like an encyclopaedia many things about our history, the good, the bad the ugly. It's a fantastic document and if you kill that you're basically burning history books because you don't like what is contained within them.
ark_ader:
--- Quote from: Haze on August 09, 2013, 09:14:03 am ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on August 09, 2013, 05:39:00 am ---blah blah blah
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Like I said I consider your posts / questions trolling and won't respond to them, so give it up. There is no worth in answering you questions, and once again you're dragging things off-topic.
I'm here to help educate others (and I feel I'm doing a decent job of that) not feed the troll.
Most of what you say has already been answered anyway, the words neutral, independent, unbiased, and document are the ones you're looking for.
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I agree with the education part totally.
Let us see what I found on my lunch:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/04/ouya-super-gnes-emulator_n_3545805.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_301_Report
http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/16/the-legality-of-emulation-part-1-readers-feature-3479741/
http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/17/the-legality-of-emulation-part-2-readers-feature-3480905/
http://www.jenkins.eu/articles-general/reverse-engineering.asp
http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/commentary/chn95t1.htm
You will like this one Haze.
Keep quiet Haze and maybe it will all go away.
There again I hear Nintendo(h) is changing policies and looking at ways to improve profits for 2014. ;D
--- Quote ---I'm amazed this thread went on this long and kind of amazed these discussions still take place.
Let's use FHMC Q*bert as an example. There's only ONE person I'm aware of who has the LEGAL right to possess the ROMS - Warren Davis. Not a SINGLE person here owned the original boards or ROMS. The reason we have them is because he wanted others to enjoy a game that nobody would have a chance to play if he didn't release them. He was fully aware of MAME and gave them to the MAME team so MAME users could enjoy it. The nice side benefit is, if you have an original Q*Bert, you can burn 'em and throw 'em in. He didn't do it for profit. He did it to support the MAME cause - preservation. I believe a large number of prototypes became available the same way.
That being said, the ROMS are *NOT* in the public domain. They are *STILL* under copyright protection. And selling them is not only illegal, it's a HUGE knife in the back to a really cool programmer who probably could have made a ton of money selling his cab with the original ROMS. Had he not released them to the MAME team, his original FHMC Q*Bert cab would be MORE rare than Marble Man 2 and probably more desirable. But because he released them, anybody can burn the ROMS and make a FHMC cab.
Some programmers are like Mr. Davis and enjoy sharing with fans (the free ROMS on the MAME site are a great example). Others (Sega comes to mind) are always thinking about future sales so they aren't keen to lose potential future sales by having arcade games out there that they made no money on. Personally, I can tell you what it's like to release something for free that was VERY popular only to have others sell it for profit - it sucks. It sucks a lot. Nothing will kill the MAME project faster than people selling ROMS or selling MAME cabs and "giving" the ROMS for free. Believe it or not, I know a number of people who only have roms in their MAME cab for the games they legally own. While it would be foolish to believe everybody is that honest/legal, it would be better for the project if more people were or at least appeared to be.
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Really? I just watched Wreck it Ralph. I didn't see his name in the credits.... On the contrary selling/sharing roms is fuelling the home arcade industry. Prior to Mame what was Happs margin looking like?
--- Quote from: jdbailey1206 on August 09, 2013, 10:13:15 am ---No Sjaak. You're wrong. It emulates the hardware. Not the game....
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Except Pong.
Haze:
You continue to troll, but the truth is simple, we're still here. MAME isn't some underground entity that is hard to find, nor have project co-ordinators been some secret impossible to find warez group leaders hiding entirely behind some anonymous pseudonym. Like I said, I wonder why saint puts up with you here. It would appear the whole world, except for you, sees the true value of what we do.