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Continuation of HAZE and ark-adr's legal conversation re: MAME, etc.

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WindDrake:


--- Quote from: Le Chuck on August 07, 2013, 10:26:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on August 07, 2013, 09:53:01 pm ---I don't think it will take 30 years for someone to appreciate your work.  I'm sure there is great euphoria amongst the Chinese developers of those x in 1 boards you hate so much. 

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What a spiteful and mean spirited thing to say.  It's purposefully twisting the knife.  What the hell have you done for the community to earn you the wasta to be such a --cream-filled twinkie-- and expect anyone to take you seriously, put up with it, or just let you walk all over them?  How about you give something back - other than lip.  Haze sure as hell has, and that goes a long way in my book.  You can argue all you want but childish ---P&R denizen--- digs like that only lessen the already low opinion everyone has for you.

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+1. I've been around this forum a long time now, and this is probably some of the meanest, spiteful crap to come outta' someone here in a long time.

jennifer:

    Ok... Now I just dont understand you Ark, In the original thread your talking about wiping your fingerprints off a dvd, then taping it in the cab (Before donating it) This just kinda says you know it was wrong, yet here like 3 threads later your dumping on the devs, and the whole concept of Mame. So what exactly is your point?

ark_ader:

My point is that you can freely give roms away that are on the Mame.Net website, including all the bootlegs out there.

The gloves and blank DVD is a joke, as we were having a merry old time helping the OP out, giving suggestions like Xarcade discs, and PC games.

My mistake was to introduce the possibility that you can use a 60n1 in an arcade cabinet at home, as long as you do not use it for commercial purposes.  Haze takes exception to this as he hates those who steal his (I would be upset too) and many others freely given time to promote a commercial turnkey solution which isn't fair to the copyright owners. ( hypocrisy) 

I agree with him totally, but his methods show a contradiction as the Mamedevs incorporated one of these Xn1 boards into their collective, which somehow justifies the illegal device's existence.  Confused yet? 

So....when we mentioned the magic word 60n1 Haze's RSS bat alarm rang and he waded in to our conversation threatening to bang our heads and call us all morons for even thinking about 60n1 boards.  From that point on he became my target of questions relating to mamedev rom dumping and distribution.  Which he is silent about yet calls me a troll for asking those rather difficult questions.  In short Haze feeds the fire of his own discontent through his own actions, and it is our fault for discussing it in some way.   :dunno   



--- Quote from: jennifer on August 08, 2013, 12:52:56 pm ---    Ok... Now I just dont understand you Ark, In the original thread your talking about wiping your fingerprints off a dvd, then taping it in the cab (Before donating it) This just kinda says you know it was wrong, yet here like 3 threads later your dumping on the devs, and the whole concept of Mame. So what exactly is your point?

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UFO:


--- Quote from: Rick on August 07, 2013, 10:18:12 pm ---Well, I love the work you've done, Haze. I sincerely appreciate everything, and recognize that it must be hard to want to continue working on the insurmountable project that is MAME, when constantly bombarded with negatively charged posts.

Thank you very much for all you've done, and for what you continue to do.

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+1  :applaud:

DGP:

ark_ader,

You make valid points here and there, however the manner in which you pointed them out was somewhat rude (which you admitted... so let's all move along :timebomb:).

 :soapbox:

While we all can (and do) appreciate the years of work that has gone into M.A.M.E. it is pretty obvious that those responsible have to walk around on egg shells since they are the ones that enabled the rest of us (pay attention to that word as that is key here from a legal perspective).

If the :censored: were to hit the fan here (legally) then the devs and distributors are the first target and not the millions that are using what they have created, which from a legal perspective they had no right to create to begin with and they know it (regardless of their stance that it is not the purpose of M.A.M.E. to actually play the games but instead to emulate them as accurately as possible, this obviously makes no difference).

I am not taking sides here as it is a subject with many questionable aspects, all of which can be debated, but in the end it's all a legal cluster  :censored:.
 :cheers:
Jason

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