New house and dedicated Arcade/Bar/Theater on the way

[Maximus]

We are currently in escrow at the moment and we're looking forward to what will hopefully be our 'forever' home.

A big part of the excitement for me is a 500 sq/ft garage space that my wife and I have agreed I can dedicate to using as an arcade, bar and home theater area. There are also plans to extend the space out to approx 900 sq/ft but that will depend on many other factors to look at later on.

The area will be family oriented with a focus on multiple use of the space at the same time.

I haven't decided if I want to section off the theater area for a more pure and dedicated movie experience or if I'd rather keep the whole space shared so it's more of a casual/social experience.

The arcade itself will be a collection of original machines rather than Mame, I also want to make sure that I pick pieces that people of all ages will enjoy. So aside from the obvious titles, I was also thinking about

Skeeball - who doesn't love it.
Pachinko - At least one of these crazy things, the more crazy Japanese candy styling the better.
Shuffleboard - Maybe the 'bounce back' type so it uses much less space.
Pinball - Would love to own a TAF and TZ one day, but who knows when.
Karaoke - When you're drunk everyone knows how to sing well right?
Small stage/dance floor - Maybe combined with the karaoke, mic stands, disco ball

Also in the back of the room I'll be building the obligatory bar etc.

If I do the full shared space then I was just going to line the side walls with the arcade cabs, have the chairs/couch in the middle, the projection screen at the front wall and the bar on the back wall. Not sure where I would put the stage, maybe off to the side between the bar and the back of the movie seating?

Anyone built this kind of space themselves?

[Maximus]

Lol this just exploded my Awesome fuse...

Ghostbusters Pachinko Japanese Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-fEDUAYGoTw#at=31

[Vigo]

Lol this just exploded my Awesome fuse...

Ghostbusters Pachinko Japanese Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-fEDUAYGoTw#at=31

Ugh, as if I don't already have enough awesome stuff I really want yet can't afford.

Seriously though, I can't wait to see what you pull together. Most major game room builds I see here seem to be perpetual and never form, but i have a feeling you will put something nice together and it probably wont take you too long. Don't forget the poker table.

[Maximus]

I'm pretty pumped at having the space to work with, it will be a whole different kind of project.

Meanwhile in completely insane Pachinko land, I have no idea what's happening here but I think I need this

[Vigo]

I was happy that I just got my first Sanyo pachinko machine from the 70's.

[Maximus]

and this needs no explanation

[harveybirdman]

and this needs no explanation

Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!  LeChuck is going to be pissed.....  I mean I know we were having fun with the "asteroids in a rock" jokes but he was working hard on that thing...

[jdbailey1206]

and this needs no explanation

Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!  LeChuck is going to be pissed.....  I mean I know we were having fun with the "asteroids in a rock" jokes but he was working hard on that thing...

It took in the time from me reading that post and logging in for someone to mention Le Chucks build.   
Maximus- My old man built one of these rooms in our basement growing up.  I would have to agree that he was never completely done adding.  He wasnt even done when we moved 20 years later.  I will say this.  Dont be afraid to plan and just dont jump right in.  And it seems that the thing that got the most use you forgot to mention.....Da Foosball!

[Maximus]

I was happy that I just got my first Sanyo pachinko machine from the 70's.

Well there's the best endorsement for Pachinko right there

[paigeoliver]

i would consider not putting the home theater in there. Soon as the wife starts watching something then everything else will have to be quiet so she can hear it. Better to just have the nice TV stuff in the living room otherwise you can easily find your every party will get hijacked by the TV as well. I would avoid the karaoke for the same reason.

If you get a pachinko machine make sure you either get one with a volume control or mod it for a volume control, Japanese "skill" games are notorious for incredibly loud volume levels during the bonus games. Also, kids like to carry off the pachinko balls.

You can get a multiple Gottlieb pins and a couple skee ball lanes as well for the price of a TZ or TAF pin. However it is hard to find a good deal on a skee ball lane that hasn't been beaten into submission on a daily basis since the late 70s. Went to one amusement center closing auction and they had at least 50 lanes in decent shape and averaged about $1000 per lane. The Tilt near me has some really thrashed looking shorty lanes at $500 each at the moment, which is the cheapest I have ever seen.

[Maximus]

Based on the basic info I have right now, the existing garage is (I think) 24' x 24', so based on those meaurements here's my first run at a space and layout scheme.



This is based on the idea that we don't extend the garage space (which we are seriously considering because there's a nice viewing deck above it). But as is, it would keep the arcade nice and dense and have it separated by an interior wall with a nice wide 40" open doorway.

[yotsuya]

Where is the cockpit going?

[Maximus]

Where is the cockpit going?

Maybe in one of the pinball spots, I only have one pinball and 4 regular cabs at the moment so there's plenty of room for growth.

[yotsuya]

Looks good, bro. See you around New Year's.

[Dawgz Rule]

I was happy that I just got my first Sanyo pachinko machine from the 70's.

+1.  Just recovered the one that I had as a kid.  I remember getting it for Xmas one year.  Sear's sold them at one time.

[Maximus]

Looks good, bro. See you around New Year's.

Bring good beer, oh and lock the door when you've finished, I'll be in Mexico.

[yotsuya]

Make sure you leave the code to turn off the dog.

[UFO]

I wish I had the space ...

Saw this today and it just makes me sick!

[Maximus]

Yep that's a nice setup, I actually like the low ceilings, gives it a nice feel. More than a few classic titles in there too, a real collector.

[Maximus]

Here's another bash at it accommodating a cockpit and a sit down driver, also a raised stage and rails for the rear theater seating, an extra theater seat, TV on the back of the bar, and deeper rear bar that can house under-counter fridges.

[Fursphere]

The pinball's against the wall backed up to arcade are going to be tight for a person on each machine at the same time.

May not be an issues, but could be a consideration.

[Maximus]

Yeah good point, I guess I can always stagger them, it will make more sense when laying them out in RL then you'll be able to just do what feels right.

[Fursphere]

A pinball is what, like 5.25 feet?  A non-active player (just stand there) adds about 1.5 feet.  An "active" player can easily take up 3+ more feet off the machine - making that 9 foot wall barely big enough.  lol

(I used one of my Gottlieb Black Hole for reference)

[Maximus]

Pinball is typically 55 inches deep and I'm not the disco dancing type while playing.  So far this is based on not expanding the current space. If all goes according to plan the length of the space could be 44ft or more,  hard to say right now.

[Maximus]

Here's a dirty render of the idea so far, based on a 24'x24' space.

[paigeoliver]

The mixed pins / vid area is a bottleneck, it is too tight, I have made gameroom mistakes like that in the past and people literally get stuck behind other people at parties.

Depending on your projector angle you could install a couple of cocktail tables in front of the theater seating.

The bar area might be better redesigned as simply a fridge and a few cocktail tables. Are you really going to be mixing up drinks back there? If not then a beer fridge is probably all your need.

You could squeeze in a coin op dartboard to the left of the video screen.

[Gamester]

Almost seems like the bar should butt up behind the movie seats and flip the stools around to the other side so people can sit at the bar and watch the big screen.  That would open up a wider path from the doorway through as well.  I know it's a less traditional bar configuration, but maybe more practical given your space constraints.   Just a thought...

Congrats on the new pad!

Edit: Upon closer inspection, I see that it appears the wall behind the theater seats may be too high for the bar to see over. 

[Gamester]

Based on the one render, I tend to agree with paigeoliver; it does seem a little cramped...especially the arcade area.  Just not sure that space is well suited for pins, unless you do away with a couple of the arcade machines across from them.

[Vigo]

5 ms pac-mans seems a bit obsessive. 

[UFO]

Here's a dirty render of the idea so far, based on a 24'x24' space.

Lol at your "dirty render"

[Maximus]

Thanks for the feedback guys.  Yes the arcade is looking tight at the moment, fortunately I don't own all those machines yet.

The wall between the bar and theater is just a low separator about 40" high. 

At the back of the bar is a TV on the wall (looks like a mirror in the render) so it can also show what is on the movie screen or show something else. (we are a two team house during football season).  Also I wanted an alternative to having to always use the big screen when we wanted something on in the background while bullshitting at the bar.

The bar itself needs to be a gathering point rather than just a place to store and pour. It's a good place for the parents to hang while keeping an eye on the kids in the arcade or theater.

I'd like to get some bar games in the bar area like pachinko shuffleboard etc but we will have to see space wise.

So far the arcade may be too tight.  What I really need to do is go over to the house and make some real measurements

[Fursphere]

I think you could safely put a cocktail arcade table in the theater area if you really wanted too. 

[PL1]

How about moving the 2 pinballs in the row of vids where the cockpit is, moving the cockpit to the narrow wall where they were, and moving one of the vids to the other side.

That way you won't have to waste the aisle space to get in/out of the cockpit like now and the pins don't create a bottleneck in the row of vids.

If you still want a driving cab like you indicated on the line drawing (not shown in the "dirty render"), put the cockpit and driving cab in an L-shaped configuration with the long part of the "L" on the short wall.


Scott

[brihyn]

Similar to PL1's idea: Move the 2 pins next to the other. Slide down the wall of arcades, and put the Stars War cab where the 2 Ms. Pacman cabs are.

[Maximus]

Here's a bit of moving around, added the shuffleboard too. 10 Cabs, 1 cockpit, 1 driver, 3 pins.

[Rick]

Here's a bit of moving around, added the shuffleboard too. 10 Cabs, 1 cockpit, 1 driver, 3 pins.

I think this one's a winner.

[JDFan]

Looking better -- though might just get rid of the bar seating and place a couple cocktail cabs with 2 or 3 seats so you get just as much seating and have a couple cocktail machines there  -- Also I'd install some pocket doors in the doorway between the TV\stage and the bulk of the arcade machines (In case the wife wants to watch the TV you can close the doors to cut down the noise level from the arcade and still be able to use it - without losing any room.)

[Gamester]

Here's a bit of moving around, added the shuffleboard too. 10 Cabs, 1 cockpit, 1 driver, 3 pins.

Much better!  Can't wait to see it come to reality. 

[PL1]

Looking good!   

Have you considered a narrow (8"-10"?) serving shelf for snacks in place of the rail behind the theater seating?

It might also work for someone who wants to pull up a bar stool and eat while watching the big screen.   


Scott

[Maximus]

Looking good!   

Have you considered a narrow (8"-10"?) serving shelf for snacks in place of the rail behind the theater seating?

It might also work for someone who wants to pull up a bar stool and eat while watching the big screen.   


Scott

Yep Scott that's exactly what is going there just didn't get around to adding it yet

[Maximus]

Added the snack shelf, changed the coloring and stonework behind the bar

[Maximus]

Had to lose a Pin, but I gained a cab so that's ok 

There are stairs coming down into the garage so even if that corner is deep enough for a pin you wouldn't be able to stand there to play it.
Added luxury theater seating, added shelves to the bar and created a U shape for more counter space.

[Rick]

Cut out all that ---goshdarn--- shuffleboard noise, I'm trying to watch the movie!

[paigeoliver]

You should have a little megatouch or trivia game on the bar.

[yotsuya]

Is the Revolution not a part of your plans?

[HanoiBoi]

Darn it.  I just had a big response typed up and I lost it. 

Bottom line...congrats on the space...hope you do exactly what you want with it!

So some quick thoughts...

Everything still looks too tight.  Not a lot of walkway and not a lot of seating.   If you have like 10 people over, you might end up playing musical chairs.  Plus, the kids will plop in the theater seats and you can't really shoo them away because all that's left is bar seating.

Larger luxury seating looks like you're now too close to screen, especially if it's 120".

An arcade cab isn't really needed at the bar when you've got 14 games 14ft away.

Shuffleboard looks too narrow in render.  Double check that.  If shuffleboard overhead light is on, it could be a distraction to theater viewers.  If the light is off, shuffleboard won't be inviting.

If possible, I'd suggest swapping the theater area with the arcade area.  You'd need a smaller screen than 120" to fit into 9ft wide, but I'm not sure about seating width.  Maybe you could squeeze 3 in a row, maybe 2 rows of 2 or 3 rows of 2.

Would you plan on using the theater for gaming?  Wii, Kinect, etc might require more space before the seats.

I'd also suggest going with much less dedicated cabs.  You could use that space for the skeeball you mentioned...maybe pachinko, maybe slots, etc.  Swapping the areas would keep all the games in one area.

If you don't swap, I'd suggest adding 1-2 TVs to the game area so that guests can play your games and still watch the sports games on TV.

You mentioned a stage.  I see it in one drawing, but not in the renders.  If this is for karaoke and dancing, consider that kids and possibly intoxicated adults will be flailing about.  If you don't have a retractable screen, this could be an issue.  Same concern if you have speakers and a sub nearby.

[paigeoliver]

I actually think the home theater thing really hijacks the entire setup. These days people keep getting bigger and better tv sets. Your guests might have a TV setup close to what you are providing there at home already. The theater locks your guests into 2 hours of watching a movie, while a mixed gameroom that perhaps has a few different video screens scattered about allows your guests to mingle and enjoy a variety of different things rather than spending most of the night locked down watching a film they have probably already seen. I know when I go to a party the last thing I want to do is sit down for a couple hours and watch a movie. The movie stuff is really more private family time and you might do better just putting a better set in the living room upstairs. Now I know this whole build might be based around some projector you already own, but the advice still stands.

[stuckpixel]

NIICE. That looks like one hell of an awesome project.

From looking over the latest renders -- it really feels like trying to shove another arcade in the corner by the bar is a bit overkill -- not to mention it kinda throws off the whole separation deal you have going on.

I think someone else suggested a coin-op dartboard -- That seems like it'd be a far superior fit for the space -- and it would go with the vibe of the bar area. Not sure if there would be enough distance for the correct distance or not though.

Is there any active cooling in this space? If you're actually planning on having 10+ arcade machines, a couple pins, and whatever other misc electronics in the main area -- that place is going to get TOASTY in a hurry.

Are the dimensions right on the shuffleboard table? It seems really narrow.

Looks like fun!!

[stuckpixel]

I actually think the home theater thing really hijacks the entire setup. These days people keep getting bigger and better tv sets. Your guests might have a TV setup close to what you are providing there at home already. The theater locks your guests into 2 hours of watching a movie

I know when I go to a party the last thing I want to do is sit down for a couple hours and watch a movie. The movie stuff is really more private family time and you might do better just putting a better set in the living room upstairs.

Home Theaters aren't limited to watching movies, you know. Things like football games, MMA shows -- as well as HUGE screen video gaming can occur with a home theater.

I seriously doubt that the gameplan is to force all his friends to come over and watch Top Gun, while forbidding them to play the games.

[Maximus]

Yep stuck pixel pretty much summed it up. 

This area is very much a specialized part of the house and not part of normal use.  The house already has a large living room, 1000sq/ft sun room and will have another 600sq/ft indoor/outdoor covered viewing deck so there are plenty of places to hang out before ending up in this particular space.

When I'm in movie watching mode it's most likely to be just me or the family.  In party mode with multiple people it needs to be a multi function space that has areas of different interests.  Sure the big screen may be on during those times but that's more likely to be football or Kung Fu panda than The notebook.

Paige seems to be obsessed with the idea my wife wants to watch TV on a 120" screen in silence lol. Even worse he seems think I may be taking people captive, strapping them into chairs clockwork orange style and MAKING THEM WATCH A MOVIE WUHAHAHAHAHAHA

I agree the theater and bar are taking a lot of the space that's because they will get more use than the arcade.

All good input and ideas, I guess it goes to show that areas like this are very specific do different people's needs and preferences.

[Maximus]

To answer a few of the questions I missed.

Shuffleboard - 12' x 15" - Home Depot web site
Revolution Cab - Might put that in the corner by the bar as it plays everything, good for requests and those nights where I don't want to fire up the whole arcade.
Active air-con - YES in the soffiting!
Shuffleboard light during movies - highly unlikely someone will be playing shuffleboard while I try and immerse myself in Steel Magnolias
Darts - no, had them before, hate the damage.
Seating too close to screen - I prefer 1.3 - 1.5x screen to seat distance ratio, screen door is no longer an issue these days at 1080p+ resolutions, kids can sit at 1.1x cause they are nuts like that
TV's in the game area - excellent idea.
Gaming on the big screen - doubtful, if I did it would be more personal than group
Swap the areas - Theater takes first priority for me, any smaller would be too small
Megatouch trivia on the bar - great idea
Stage - probably too small of an area for this
Cocktail cabinets - meagh

[Maximus]

Here'a first stab at the space if I extended the area out by 12'

[yotsuya]

Interesting layout. I think I prefer how you had it before, only because the communal experience of the arcade seems broken up this way.

[Maximus]

I'll do a version with the theater up against the wall too see how that flows

[Gamester]

Interesting layout. I think I prefer how you had it before, only because the communal experience of the arcade seems broken up this way.

+1

Just seems a little awkward.  Plus I'd be concerned that the theater aisles would become shortcuts from one side of the arcade to the other.

I definitely would try to slide the theater all the way over.  Look forward to seeing it laid out that way...

[shponglefan]

Looks cool!  Designing your own theater/media/arcade is pretty fun!

I do have a question re: the home theater (mainly coming from my own HT experience).  How are you factoring in acoustic treatment and speaker placement?

In my experience, subwoofers work best in room corners and you'll want a little space between the seating and any surround speakers.  For these reasons, I think the second layout you posted would be less ideal for the HT.  The first layout with the seperate arcade/HT areas would work better imho.  The only thing I'm not a fan of is the shuffleboard running down the wall.  I'd prefer to leave that wall bare to accomodate acoustic paneling.

Another question: are you thinking soundproofing?

[yotsuya]

How about "rotating" the theatre so it's against the top wall? That way, you have a huge space for games.

[Gamester]

shponglefan makes good points.  Speaker placement is obviously pretty important.  Those theater seats are RIGHT up against the walls on both sides and the rear.  I wonder if that leaves enough room for the surround speakers without having them right in your ears?  That's one reason why traditional theater layouts have aisles on each side of the seating...

Also have to be sure to factor in where the actual theater gear is going to go.

[shponglefan]

Also have to be sure to factor in where the actual theater gear is going to go.

Good point.  Assuming the first layout, that corner with the lone arcade cabinet would be an ideal spot for an HT equipment rack.

[Maximus]

Yep HT rack and other bits and pieces need to be addressed, at the moment I'm just playing with basic space ideas to see what will fit and how it will feel.

Here's a no-walls approach to the original space, keeping it 100% social and mixed. 10 Cabs, 2 Cockpits, a driver, 2 pins, shuffleboard, 8 luxury theater seats, 4 bar seats and 140" screen.

[yotsuya]

I like it so far- much more social.

[shponglefan]

Definitely not a fan of the third one, from an HT perspective.  It's nearly impossible to design a decent HT when you use up all the surrounding walls for other purposes.

If you're looking for more of a social type room, why not put in couches and a bigscreen TV instead of the HT setup?

[Silverwind]

Check into getting a pachislo machine too!

[Maximus]

If you're looking for more of a social type room, why not put in couches and a bigscreen TV instead of the HT setup?

Yeah that thought crossed my mind if I go this route.  If I am restricted to this smaller space then I think it will be more casual.  If we do extend the area then I may go for more of a sectioned off HT

[paigeoliver]

I was just going with my own experiences as host. Where people congregated around the games, tables, and under the patio and everyone ignored the TV.

If you do lock them down Clockwork Orange style then be sure and offer eye drops!

[Le Chuck]

I like the big room and second losing the row seating in favor of a more casual arrangement. 

Edit:  3K post marker bishes!

[Vigo]

Agreed with a lot of the above. I like the 1 room approach with couches and or recliners. Or one of those lounger sofas.

I'd think it would also be better to get furniture with a smaller footprint. Then you could have an open area in the middle of the room. First, it could give you room for whatever console gaming stuff you need the room for. Kinect, Rockband, DDR, etc. You could set out a folding table for card games / board games or whatnot. Get a friendly card game going with an open bar on one side, and a sports game going on the tv on the other side.

[lordnacho]

Have you thought about stand up table(s) instead of a bar?  Then you can sit or stand at them and look in any direction of the room, not just the tv on the wall.  Could also move them around as needed. 

Was the bar to have a sink or could that be moved in the future if you want to swap things around?

[jdbailey1206]

Yep HT rack and other bits and pieces need to be addressed, at the moment I'm just playing with basic space ideas to see what will fit and how it will feel.

Here's a no-walls approach to the original space, keeping it 100% social and mixed. 10 Cabs, 2 Cockpits, a driver, 2 pins, shuffleboard, 8 luxury theater seats, 4 bar seats and 140" screen.

If you go with the open walls approach and the big screen I would lose the row seating all together and go with a more living room feel.  (ie couches, lazy boys, etc.)  This will give, like others have said, a better use of the space.  My old man has built the same idea in his new house (sans arcade cabinets).  He has built a bar, has a shuffle board and has walled off his theater room.  If you are going for more of a theater room feeling I would definitely put up those walls.  So you won't be bothered when watching Steel Magnolias on Lifetime.     But if you want a more "family" atmosphere lose the walls and the seating.  Even those chairs you have in your mock up are extremely comfortable.  But in the end you have to ask yourself, are you really striving to have up to 12 arcade machines, 3 pinball machines etc. or can you be realistic and make it a more of a family oriented space while still having room to place enough of your cabinets to enjoy the space?

[Maximus]

I'm glad I'm going through all these versions and getting people's feedback, helps the brain cells. So yep if my space is limited then the last version is probably the best with more casual seating. Although I just want to point out that this really is primarily a 'man cave' that can also accommodate other species, there are plenty of other large, hospitable areas for entertaining in other areas of the house. I want to strike the balance of 'awesome for action movies and football' with enough space and openess to have 10-12 people in there. I dont want it so comfortable that my wife and kids adopt it as their favorite space for naptime and book reading. 

[Dawgz Rule]

Good to see the excitement building with the new place.   My wife and I went through the same thing a few years ago when we finally purchased our "forever" home.    We have a walkout basement and I can't even remember how many times the plans changed over the years.  Still a work in progress but it is getting there.  Enjoy!

[Gamester]

I meant to ask what software you're using to do these renders?  (apologies if it was in the thread somewhere and I missed it)

[Maximus]

I meant to ask what software you're using to do these renders?  (apologies if it was in the thread somewhere and I missed it)

It's Called 'Chief Architect Premier X5'

[yotsuya]

I meant to ask what software you're using to do these renders?  (apologies if it was in the thread somewhere and I missed it)

It's Called 'Chief Architect Premier X5'

And here I thought you were just using Sketchup!

[Maximus]

Lol yeah I suck at Sketchup, although I do use the libraries to pull in some models such as Gozers cabs.

[Vigo]

 I didn't know you could pull in those models to chief architect. I will have to dust off my copy....that I totally paid the $2000 for.   

[nakeworks]

I'm jelly that you are getting a basement/cave.  I'll be the loner that says he likes the walls separating the arcade and theater experience.  On one row of seating though I would offer some form of a couch for, uhh, feeling cozy.  I like nothing to distract me from my TV/movie experience so I would want the area sequestered.  Plus I like the arcade feel of being pressed in tight, but your area did look pretty tight.  Leave room on the bar for a popcorn machine.

[Maximus]

I will have to dust off my copy....that I totally paid the $2000 for.   

Yeah....yeah...exactly.

You have to convert them to .OBJ models, there's a free plugin for Sketchup "OBJConverter" that I use to do it. Does an ok job, but I always have to resize the models when I import them. Bit of a pain but at least you can get it to work.

[Vigo]

Good to know. Thanks!

[stuckpixel]

Would be curious to see what a extended 2-room config looks like -- I personally dig the separate areas because it gives you more of an 'arcade' feel.

Maybe it'd be worth looking at doing the bar off to the side of the big screen? That way people sitting at the bar and swivel chairs to see the big one, but still feel like they're sitting at the bar -- and anyone working bar can see it too.

I agree with more casual seating if you're going one big open room. Couple big comfy couches, maybe a coffee table for people to set drinks/snacks on.

If anything though, I feel like the open room makes things feel more cluttered and the space feels smaller. Having distinct areas gives every square foot a job -- having it all shared makes it feel more like 'I threw a bunch of cool stuff into a room'.

Just my .02.

[mcseforsale]

Cross-subscribed (you subscribed to my basement room delete thread).

We've decided that the pool table would kill our newly found space.  Much like the home theater, it would dedicate it for something that may or may not get play.  So, I'll be doing more of an arcadey thing.  But, my room isn't square...it's narrow and long.  hmmmm there's got to be a joke in there somewhere.

Anywho, excited for you!  Watching with pregnant anticipation.

AJ

[Maximus]

Yeah it's pretty exciting, although I have to be careful not to get too wrapped up in it as we're still a few weeks out from the end of escrow and there's just too much to do at the moment.

Hopefully we will get the space extended, which is the plan already, I just didn't want to have my ideas dependent on that happening, bigger is always easier to design for in these circumstances.

One thing I have been thinking about is a folding wall between the theater and other areas, so I could completely open it up for social events and close it off when I want to do a more dedicated theater experience.

[Vigo]

One thing I have been thinking about is a folding wall between the theater and other areas, so I could completely open it up for social events and close it off when I want to do a more dedicated theater experience.

Cool idea. Sounds difficult to pull off at the same time. I'm guessing you'd have to consider acoustics and all that stuff in your wall selection.

[Maximus]

Yeah but there's different levels of finish of course. You can go fully isolated twin wall, floating room with green goo and all that jazz or just go for some nice soft absorbing panels, decently mounted speakers and a microwave for popcorn. I think as long as the theater room can provide a sense of that 'special' place for movies then it will be good enough for us. At the end of the day I'm not going to be spending $20k+ on my sound system so it doesn't need to be all crazy beans.

[Maximus]

Finally got some real measurements and the garage is a little smaller than I thought, it's 20ft wide by 22ft long, so not too far off, but every foot counts, at least I know what I am dealing with now I guess.

[TopJimmyCooks]

I don't know if this was mentioned and the later versions looked ok, but keep in mind the clearance in front of the pinball machines needed to get the glass off - about 3'-6" minimum.   

[Maximus]

I don't know if this was mentioned and the later versions looked ok, but keep in mind the clearance in front of the pinball machines needed to get the glass off - about 3'-6" minimum.

Thanks for this, good info to know.

[Maximus]

Finally got over to the house last night and made some measurements of the garage. So now I can work with real figures I was able to plan something out that was a little more 'doable'.

I thought it would be good to try and plan a more modular approach as I don't know when we will be doing the extensions to the property, so I'm trying to break it up in such a way that the whole concept can grow as the house does and not depend on that happening any time soon.



In this layout I've been able to use real measurements for all the cabs, furniture and the overall space so this should be pretty spot on. I sat down and thought about all the cabs I think I would like to eventually own and then started slotting them in. You can see that I have ditched the social seating and big screen in favor of a modest bar, a small table and a nice size wall mounted TV.



Every game can be played at once without anyone clashing with anyone else. The space fits the following:

11 Upright Cabs
2 Cockpits/sit downs
2 Pins
1 skeeball

There's also a space left between the skeeball and bar to be able to walk through an entrance later on when we extend out that way. The other side of that wall would be a dedicated theater room.

[Nephasth]

Every game can be played at once without anyone clashing with anyone else.

Except for the poor soul that gets stuck on Galaxian while someone is playing Gorf. Happened to me on a Centipede at the RMPS this year. I was done, but trapped by someone playing the game next to it. Might want to stick a game in that corner at a 45 degree angle.

[Dawgz Rule]

Looks nice.  I think you will get a lot more enjoyment out of this than with a dedicated theater space.

[Maximus]

Looks nice.  I think you will get a lot more enjoyment out of this than with a dedicated theater space.

yeah I like the fact that this hasn't got too many comfy chairs, you're in there to game, drink at the bar and watch the game, otherwise, go somewhere else lol.

[PL1]

One minor point to consider is that right-handed Skeeball players may find it hard to play with their left shoulder next to the wall and their right shoulder closer to the right side of the lane than the center.

Also do you really want the expensive pinball machines in the line of fire if some poor so-and-so has an "out-of-bounds" release.      


Scott

[Maximus]

Ha ha Scott, aye it could get a bit crazy when the strong ale starts flowing and we force everyone to throw left handed, some kind of net may be in order.

[Fursphere]

I want a Skee ball in my garage too - and it'll be nowhere near my pinballs.

Smashing a pinball machine up can cost thousands of dollars in repairs - and some of those damn ramps / plastics / backglasses simply are NOT available.

[PL1]

Ha ha Scott, aye it could get a bit crazy when the strong ale starts flowing and we force everyone to throw left handed, some kind of net may be in order.

I was thinking move the skeeball several inches to the right and put your least favorite / beater cabs where the pins are now, but a net like this or this (dyed black?) might do the trick.


Scott

[Maximus]

Yeah ill have to cross that bridge when I get to it. As for beater cabs, not in my collection

[mcseforsale]

beater, right there ^^

AJ

Yeah ill have to cross that bridge when I get to it. As for beater cabs, not in my collection

[Maximus]

Lol. Funny I actually sleep in the same room as that cab. I have a very understanding wife.

[Maximus]

Scott the skeeball will be next to a doorway so you could use that for wiggle room

[Rick]

Lol. Funny I actually sleep in the same room as that cab. I have a very understanding wife.

If you're sleeping with the paperboy, I'd have to agree!

[HanoiBoi]

 The new design looks cool, but still tight.  The space looks smaller too, and different in size with each drawing.

I'm not sure now what you're shooting for.  This seems a bit off the mark from what I thought you meant by 'family friendly' in the original post, but definitely would now discourage napping and reading in couches.

Think about how a night would play out in the space as is.  Would a bartender be stuck if someone's playing Ice Cold Beer?  Would people be able to hear the TV over the games and skeeball thunder? Will guests become bored of the same games after several visits?  Will you plan birthday parties for the kids, and if so will the cake, snacks etc be served in another room or here?  If here, do you have space?  Will the noise of the arcade drive away people that might otherwise enjoy sitting at the bar?

Again, its a nice design for an arcade, but I'm not sure if that's what you were shooting for.  I'm curious to know if this is what you're wife agreed to also...I have a feeling that she was onboard thinking there'd be a theater area and a place for her and kids to hang out in too.

[JDFan]

Lol. Funny I actually sleep in the same room as that cab. I have a very understanding wife.

And you thought she was being nice giving you the space for a game room !! --- It's probably more that she wants her space back and is putting all your stuff into a single location in the hope it stays there.

[Maximus]

Yeah if you read up a little you will see why my wife likes any design tgat gets my cab out of the house. Also why this design is smaller.

As for kids birthday parties and cakes, this is a showcase for my collection not Chuck E Cheese.

[Maximus]

Escrow closed and loan funded, we pick up the keys either today or tomorrow.

 

Moving forward I've decided to stay pretty close to the design a few posts up where the whole garage is dedicated to the arcade and small bar. We're getting contractors in this week to start quoting on the extensions we are planning. If we can afford to extend the house the way we want then I'll get another 11x20 ft room off of the garage that I will dedicate to the home theater.

On another piece of the property I'm planning on having a 15'x19' slab poured and then dropping a 12' x 12' gambrel lofted shed on one corner of it leaving a walkway and 15x7 outdoor work space, the shed will be my dedicated workshop.

Now, where did I bury that huge bag of money???

[yotsuya]

Escrow closed and loan funded, we pick up the keys either today or tomorrow.

 

Moving forward I've decided to stay pretty close to the design a few posts up where the whole garage is dedicated to the arcade and small bar. We're getting contractors in this week to start quoting on the extensions we are planning. If we can afford to extend the house the way we want then I'll get another 11x20 ft room off of the garage that I will dedicate to the home theater.

On another piece of the property I'm planning on having a 15'x19' slab poured and then dropping a 12' x 12' gambrel lofted shed on one corner of it leaving a walkway and 15x7 outdoor work space, the shed will be my dedicated workshop.

Now, where did I bury that huge bag of money???

Congrats! 

[Zero_Hour]

Congrats on the new house. And thumbs up on the 'Arcade-Centric' design. The way you pump out projects it really makes he most sense.

[Dawgz Rule]

Congratulations!!  Very exciting times lie ahead. 

[ark_ader]

You need arcade quality carpet, to reduce the echo, or you will have headaches.

[mcseforsale]

These guys are near my house but won't sell to the public.  I have to get a certified industrial carpet layer to even buy the stuff from them.   

But, the stuff is badass

http://www.astrocarpetmills.com/

AJ

You need arcade quality carpet, to reduce the echo, or you will have headaches.

[Maximus]

yeah I'm definitely thinking carpet but I want the place to look more like a casino than an arcade, a 'grown ups' arcade if you will

[yotsuya]

yeah I'm definitely thinking carpet but I want the place to look more like a casino than an arcade, a 'grown ups' arcade if you will

The scent of stale cigarette smoke immediately came to mind.

[Maximus]

If I can just get the wife to walk around in a corset and heels and bring me free drinks I should be golden

[yotsuya]

If I can just get the wife to walk around in a corset and heels and bring me free drinks I should be golden

 

Livin' the dream, man.

[Dawgz Rule]

just remember, pics or it didn't happen

[Maximus]

[Dawgz Rule]

 

[yotsuya]

Livin' the dream, man. Livin' the dream. 

[Maximus]

OK that's enough of that, removed before she sees that ha ha

[Rick]

OK that's enough of that, removed before she sees that ha ha

$5 to anyone who got a screenshot. You know, for posterity.

[TopJimmyCooks]

No screenshot, but it (they) can't be unseen. 

[TKW4rr10r]

I'm very curious to see how you start with the details in this room. Starting to plan my own, but feel a little silly about it since we don't even have our house lined up yet     Can't start planning or getting ideas too soon, IMO   What are you using in those last pics to design your floorplan? Are the models for the cabinets easy to find online?

I'm sure there will be some awesome little touches in the design we will have to copy get inspired by. Picked this up recently for my future room


There's a Mario one I saw on ebay, but out of my price range:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261238562354?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Would be cool to have that set in a door entering the arcade.

[mcseforsale]

It's the accent.  That's how he got the hot chick.  It's the accent.  Without the accent, nothing.

I bet you were born in Bakersfield. 

AJ

[dfmaverick]

I should have stopped by a garage sale listed on craigslist last week to see how much they wanted for the Nintendo sign. Would probably better fit Maximus' garage/workshop than his gameroom though.

[Maximus]

oh man that sign is sweet

[Maximus]

Well good news, we've agreed that the garage conversion is going to take place pretty quickly so I've been tweaking the designs more.

Decided to drop the skeeball as it's too big for the space, forcing my hand layout wise too much and not really in line with my primary focus of my hobby. Also the likelihood of me owning more than my one Alchemy pin isn't very high, so I adjusted for more regular dedicated cabs.



This layout allows for 15 uprights, 1 cockpit, 1 driver and 1 pin. I've been careful to address enough space so that every machine should be able to be played without anyone getting blocked in. I doubt I'll have any more than 10 people in the room on any kind of regular basis so I think the trade off between space and amount of machines is reasonable

The bar has comfortable seating for 6, room for two under counter fridges and space for up to 4 5-gallon kegs and taps along with a small sink and plenty of storage for glasses. Directly above the cockpits is an 80" projection screen. I may even put overhead storage around the bar to really create a centerpiece in the room.



Of course there's lots of room for change, but I think by basically leaving all the walls free then it leaves the most flexibility for me to see what works as my collection grows and changes over time.

[CoryBee]

Fuk monkeys I miss something awesome didn't I?.....

[Maximus]

Fuk monkeys I miss something awesome didn't I?.....

Welcome to the party, nothing has actually happened yet, well apart from buying the house itself.

[UFO]

Looking really sweet Maximus ...

Just shown it to my wife and asked why I can't have one - she didn't respond other than a look. Not happening for me yet 

What is the size of the room?

[Maximus]

What is the size of the room?

It's a standard 2-car garage so it's 21' wide and 20' deep

[gamepimp]

What program did u use to make the rendering of this space? I would love to do that for the basement we're going to finish in our new house...

[CoryBee]

Fuk monkeys I miss something awesome didn't I?.....

Welcome to the party, nothing has actually happened yet, well apart from buying the house itself.

Oh snap, I missed two pages of updates on this thread. Watched a bit from the beginning.....But what I meant by miss something awesome was this post.....

[img]http://www.kinemote.net/arcade/wifey.jpg

Which seemed to put the guys in a fury 

[Maximus]

Oh lol yeah sorry buddy too late

[CoryBee]

 

Good job on the renders by the way.

It looks a bit crowded in my opinion. A lot of games crammed into that space.

[Maximus]

Lets just call it a beautifully compact arcade and bar that anyone can do

[Maximus]

Met with the builders today and got some good news and potentially bad news.

Good news is they can convert my garage the way I want it within my proposed budget, the guy even told me I was a little high on my estimated costs so that's refreshing (we shall see though).

Bad news is that the extension we are thinking of doing is going to cost a fortune due to structural engineering concerns. So for now that idea is up in the air and may never come to light. So that means potentially no dedicated home theater space.

With that in mind I have had to go back to the drawing board and make some compromises as the wife and I really love sitting down for a big screen movie and want to do it in an isolated area where we wont disturb the kiddo after she is in bed.



This design allows for up to 11 uprights, 1 driver, 1 cockpit and 1 pin. Comfy recliner couch seating for three (basically us and the sprog) and a further 4 seated in a social arrangement at the bar. Two fridges, one for bottles one for 5-gallon kegs, two taps at the back of the bar (not shown). Walkways are 30" wide on all sides. Overhead storage for cups and glasses etc. Also projector is ceiling mounted, amps and other gadgets stored in the rear of the overhead cupboards. 120" projection screen with viewing head height just below center 120" from the screen, personally I like 1:1 viewing distance.

[sharpfork]

I like where the last iteration is going.

We are going to be refinishing part of our basement so I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread.  Something I've been considering that I imagine Maximus could easily build is a space saving convertible virtual pin.  Basically make a big virtual pin with a really nice large LCD and have it tilt up 90 deg when you want to watch movies or the game.  It isn't likely going to achieve the feel of a home theater but it could be cool.  I have other multipurpose ideas if this kind of thing is interesting to you.

[Rick]

Something I've been considering that I imagine Maximus could easily build is a space saving convertible virtual pin.

Every time I look at the renders I think about how I can fit my one Mame cabinet, my future virtual pinball machine and a case of beer in a beer fridge, and say to myself, "Yup, just like Maximus' place!"

[UFO]

I would still be more than happy with that buddy...

[HanoiBoi]

Something I've been considering that I imagine Maximus could easily build is a space saving convertible virtual pin.

Every time I look at the renders I think about how I can fit my one Mame cabinet, my future virtual pinball machine and a case of beer in a beer fridge, and say to myself, "Yup, just like Maximus' place!"

It can be easily done...but Maximus is building more of an arcade/showroom.

[mcseforsale]

The only thing I'd offer is to re-think the hardwoods throughout...especially if it's a concrete subfloor.  It'll echo in there like the inside of my thoughts.

What?

Carefully placed rugs could solve that, along with a (yuk!) popcorn ceiling.  Then, you could have both.

AJ

Met with the builders today and got some good news and potentially bad news.

Good news is they can convert my garage the way I want it within my proposed budget, the guy even told me I was a little high on my estimated costs so that's refreshing (we shall see though).

Bad news is that the extension we are thinking of doing is going to cost a fortune due to structural engineering concerns. So for now that idea is up in the air and may never come to light. So that means potentially no dedicated home theater space.

With that in mind I have had to go back to the drawing board and make some compromises as the wife and I really love sitting down for a big screen movie and want to do it in an isolated area where we wont disturb the kiddo after she is in bed.



This design allows for up to 11 uprights, 1 driver, 1 cockpit and 1 pin. Comfy recliner couch seating for three (basically us and the sprog) and a further 4 seated in a social arrangement at the bar. Two fridges, one for bottles one for 5-gallon kegs, two taps at the back of the bar (not shown). Walkways are 30" wide on all sides. Overhead storage for cups and glasses etc. Also projector is ceiling mounted, amps and other gadgets stored in the rear of the overhead cupboards. 120" projection screen with viewing head height just below center 120" from the screen, personally I like 1:1 viewing distance.

[Maximus]

Yep for sure I'm definitely going with carpet, just didn't see one i like in the architectural software so stuck with wood for the renderings. I'll probably go for something a bit 'hotel or casinoey'

[yotsuya]

[Maximus]

^^^^^^^ this, because class is shiny n sheet

[CoryBee]

That aint cool bro. No one can see you playing with them walls up

[Rick]

I'll probably go for something a bit 'hotel or casinoey'...

This. Simply, this.

[yotsuya]

I've been in that gameroom, Rick. It is a nice throwback place.

[Rick]

I've been in that gameroom, Rick. It is a nice throwback place.

Colour me jealous. One of these days, I want to drive the 8 1/2 hours to Funspot and just soak in the ambiance. That or break into John's Arcade's basement. Either or.

[Maximus]

I'm not fading all my artwork by blasting it with UV from a Blacklight, fook that.

[Rick]

I'm not fading all my artwork by blasting it with UV from a Blacklight, fook that.

Heathen!

[Maximus]

Lol....hey I'm not fat!!


Here's an idea of the general feel of the place I'd like to achieve, a balance between luxury and fun

[TKW4rr10r]

Not to de-rail, but is there a way to get UV black-light to work in a room and -not- "blast the artwork"?

[shponglefan]

Met with the builders today and got some good news and potentially bad news.

Good news is they can convert my garage the way I want it within my proposed budget, the guy even told me I was a little high on my estimated costs so that's refreshing (we shall see though).

Bad news is that the extension we are thinking of doing is going to cost a fortune due to structural engineering concerns. So for now that idea is up in the air and may never come to light. So that means potentially no dedicated home theater space.

With that in mind I have had to go back to the drawing board and make some compromises as the wife and I really love sitting down for a big screen movie and want to do it in an isolated area where we wont disturb the kiddo after she is in bed.



This design allows for up to 11 uprights, 1 driver, 1 cockpit and 1 pin. Comfy recliner couch seating for three (basically us and the sprog) and a further 4 seated in a social arrangement at the bar. Two fridges, one for bottles one for 5-gallon kegs, two taps at the back of the bar (not shown). Walkways are 30" wide on all sides. Overhead storage for cups and glasses etc. Also projector is ceiling mounted, amps and other gadgets stored in the rear of the overhead cupboards. 120" projection screen with viewing head height just below center 120" from the screen, personally I like 1:1 viewing distance.

That's really too bad about the extension.  One thing I've learned from home building and reno is that stuff always costs more than you think it will. 

But since you're going back to a hybrid arcade/theater, I'm going to once again give my honest 2 cents.  Personally, I would either a) dedicate half the space to a theater, period; no arcade machines intruding in that space and that way you can properly set it up as a theater.  Or b) ditch the projector in favor a bigscreen TV and set up more of a social-type area, as opposed to a theater w/ a projector.  Again, this is coming from someone who is a home theater enthusiast, so take my opinion with a grain of salt if need be.

[CoryBee]

Haha, took me a second to see that there wasn't a giant man behind a bar in that picture.

[Maximus]

Haha, took me a second to see that there wasn't a giant man behind a bar in that picture.

It's not?? ---fudgesicle---!!! I WANT a giant man behind the bar...and a talking rat chef

[Rick]

---fudgesicle---!!! I WANT a giant man behind the bar...

Saved for posterity.

[mcseforsale]

Take yer pick...they have hotel-ish stuff, too.

http://www.astrocarpetmills.com/Family_Fun_Center_Carpet.htm
AJ

[TopJimmyCooks]

Not to de-rail, but is there a way to get UV black-light to work in a room and -not- "blast the artwork"?

If you print new artwork, use UV stable ink and media.  If not, use the blacklight very sparingly, I.e. only turn it on during Maximus "sexy time".

[Maximus]

Some more tweaking, I like how this layout is shaping up, added a few bits and pieces.

[CoryBee]

What is up with the pre chewed gumballs in front of the couch?

[HanoiBoi]

The bar area looks kind of forced, like it doesn't belong there.  The chair placement seems uncomfortable to also be able to view the screen and the taps are just floating in the middle of nowhere and inconvenient if someone is on a machine in front of them.

Maybe consider just a long, narrow standalone bar/shelf, about 6 ft wide and 2 ft deep, behind the couch with 4 stools and move the beer to the back or to a corner.  (Did you consider a kegerator with 2 or 3 sixtel to save space?)

Also, make sure you plan enough distance for projector to screen.  I can't make out measurements in the renders, but it appears a bit cramped.

[Maximus]

Thank you for that brilliant informed critic Dr Lexus

[HanoiBoi]

Thank you for that brilliant informed critic Dr Lexus

Am I misinterpreting you or are you being douchy?  From your changing requirements and varying renders, it seems that you arent really sure what you want to do with your space.  If it were me, I'd welcome others' input rather than possibly effing myself later.  And, that's all I'm offering.

I've gone through this process and came out with a pretty cool multipurpose basement that even my wife and kids love.  I don't have a full arcade - that's a major difference, so maybe we aren't speaking the same language, but there are some similarities in what you want to do and what I've done. 

We have a theater area with a 100+" screen, a bar that seats 10-12 with lotsa beverages (2 taps, a beer cooler and a mini fridge), 2 pub tables and some gaming; MAME, virtual pinball, shuffleboard, foosball, xbox, etc.  We've been able to have guys nights, ladies nights, poker nights, thown kids parties/sleepovers, and enjoyed NYE parties with thumping music, DJ lights and fog.  And for hanging out watching football, baseball, hockey, etc., we've got 3 viewable screens.  Point is, its multipurpose, which I think you wanted at one point.

If you don't appreciate the feedback, I'm okay if you choose to ignore it, but no need to be snitty about it.

[mcseforsale]

No,
He drinks..

A lot.

Sometimes he drinks...and posts on the interwebs.

 

AJ

Thank you for that brilliant informed critic Dr Lexus

Am I misinterpreting you or are you being douchy?  From your changing requirements and varying renders, it seems that you arent really sure what you want to do with your space.  If it were me, I'd welcome others' input rather than possibly effing myself later.  And, that's all I'm offering.

I've gone through this process and came out with a pretty cool multipurpose basement that even my wife and kids love.  I don't have a full arcade - that's a major difference, so maybe we aren't speaking the same language, but there are some similarities in what you want to do and what I've done. 

We have a theater area with a 100+" screen, a bar that seats 10-12 with lotsa beverages (2 taps, a beer cooler and a mini fridge), 2 pub tables and some gaming; MAME, virtual pinball, shuffleboard, foosball, xbox, etc.  We've been able to have guys nights, ladies nights, poker nights, thown kids parties/sleepovers, and enjoyed NYE parties with thumping music, DJ lights and fog.  And for hanging out watching football, baseball, hockey, etc., we've got 3 viewable screens.  Point is, its multipurpose, which I think you wanted at one point.

If you don't appreciate the feedback, I'm okay if you choose to ignore it, but no need to be snitty about it.

[Maximus]

OK sweetpants...

"The bar area looks kind of forced, like it doesn't belong there"

While your comment is nebulas and vague you also manage to offer an extremely poor alternative use to the space. The bar area has to house two fridges, create surface area where people can place their food, drinks AND face each other while socializing. It also houses the projector (I'll address that genius comment later) house a large sub woofer, HT amp and pre amp and the wiring between them all. It needs space for a wine rack which is represented by the small cupboard between the fridges. It also needs to provide a good balance in the walkways where it leaves enough room for people to sit at the bar sides and others to play the games around it while still being able to turn around and place their drinks on the bar within arms reach so they are not trying to rest them on the cabs anywhere. It also needs to present the beer pumps in such a way that they are at an ergonomically friendly height with a shelf edge for drip trays that can't get banged into when someone walks/runs/staggers by.


"Narrow stand alone bar shelf 6ft wide and 2ft deep"

Accommodates virtually none of the above criteria while providing comfortable seating for 2 or uncomfortable seating for 3 people all facing the same direction. Sounds fun to me.


"Move the beer to the back corner"

Which one? Perhaps on top of the Outrun machine? Maybe get rid of some arcade cabs for the beer? Or find one of those oh so common 10" deep beer fridges to put it by the back corner near the door?


"The taps are just floating in the middle of nowhere"

Not only is this comment vague and none constructive it is a physical impossibility so yeah i'll just move on to the next spark of genius.


"Also make sure you plan enough distance for the projector to the screen. I can't make out the measurements in the renders, but it appears a bit cramped."

Obviously with detailed observations, in depth knowledge and advice like this you clearly have a career in AV installation and perhaps consulting for optical physics related issues. For over a decade now it has been easy to acquire affordable quality projectors that can throw an 80" image from as far away as 24" with perfect keystoning and excellent color uniformity. I use two such projectors in my Alchemy pinball build. Lens shift, optical zoom lenses up to 2.0x and creatively mounted exhaust fans allow the home user to place modern projectors in an amazing array of positions and distances. My current Optoma H20 throws a 130" image from only 13ft away. The screen in this room is 100" across, I didn't write out measurements on it but I think a monkey could get a general feel for the size by relating it to other objects in the room. The couch allows the viewers an eye to screen ratio of 1.28 with a slightly below center eye height, the equivalent of sitting in the middle row of a typical movie theater.

So yes I do appreciate input, but by your same measure of accepting responsibility and feedback to what you post, I will certainly point out when I feel some half assed comments are vague, ill conceived and overall completely useless.

I was joking around, maybe giving you a sarcastic prod with my Dr Lexus comment. But as you decided you felt like getting a sandy vagina because we didn't all roll over in awe at your terrible post I figured I'd illustrate the difference between joking and 'snitty' for you.

Love Joel

[Rick]

[TopJimmyCooks]

Not a snarky comment - I would seriously skip the raised dais/steps in front of the screen.  just looks like a major trip hazard in what appears to be a fairly snug space. 

[Maximus]

Not a snarky comment - I would seriously skip the raised dais/steps in front of the screen.  just looks like a major trip hazard in what appears to be a fairly snug space.

People falling down is funny especially when they land on their balls

[mcseforsale]

Personally, I like the island type bar.  Wondering if there'll be plumbing going to the island and how it's going to get there, what with needing a drain and all.  Maybe a sump with a grinding pump?

I would definately lose the raised platform in front of the screen only for the reason that when I'm hanging out over there and I'm getting wasted and playing Paperboy while you're watching a movie, I'll probably trip and fall trying to make my way out to piss in the driveway...  Just sayin'...it is california and people there like to sue.

AJ

Some more tweaking, I like how this layout is shaping up, added a few bits and pieces.

[mcseforsale]

And as for cozy, it's supposed to be.  Men are pack animals and there's nothing better for a pack animal then a den...or cave.

 

AJ

[mcseforsale]

One of the best commentary-on-modern-society movies ever.  The other one is Wall-E.

AJ

Not a snarky comment - I would seriously skip the raised dais/steps in front of the screen.  just looks like a major trip hazard in what appears to be a fairly snug space.

People falling down is funny especially when they land on their balls

[Maximus]

MCSE. Yep the plumbing to the island would be too costly so no sink. Ill use disposable cups etc. If I do want to crack out the favorite stein then there is a laundry room off the garage where I could go and wash a few glasses if needed.

Yeah I hear you all in the stage, sad that I have to factor in stupidity and backstabbing money hungry opportunists into the design of my personal space but I guess that's what this society is coming to more and more.

[mcseforsale]

Wow.  I can't believe you like money, too.

Classic.

AJ

[yotsuya]

Why won't you people just let the man have his karaoke stage?

[mcseforsale]

If it's gonna be there, IMHO, I'd hightlight it with a different flooring and edges on the steps.

Why won't you people just let the man have his karaoke stage?

[Nephasth]

Am I misinterpreting you or are you being douchy?

Nope, you pretty much nailed it.

[Maximus]

Ahh i see Golum has come sniffing around. It loves the drama it does, so precious.

[TopJimmyCooks]

Crap, y'all two got beef now?  jeez. 

if Neph should have a problem with anybody it's me because I take every opportunity I get to make a Nip/neph ring joke that I come across. 


 

[CoryBee]

I get to make a Nip/neph ring joke that I come across. 

 

[TopJimmyCooks]

u c what I did there?

[yotsuya]

How many bedrooms is it? Would you be better served turning one of those into a theatre room and keeping the garage strictly games/bar?

[Maximus]

It's only three bed, we're actually adding another on the house because we need one more.

[Nephasth]

Thought you had me on ignore.

Now go buy my nip rings.

[macattack]

Looking great. I still need to finish mine. I divided up part of our basement into a 14x14 theater with a 70" dlp screen and 7:1 surround. On the others side of the wall I have an arcade that is 18x 10.

My only concern with your combined space is the lights and noise/attract noise from the arcade/pins while you are knee deep in watching broke back mountain or Bridget jones


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[Maximus]

My only concern with your combined space is the lights and noise/attract noise from the arcade/pins while you are knee deep in watching broke back mountain or Bridget jones

If only someone could design some kind of switching system that would allow me to independently power off the arcade machines while leaving on the power for the projector and sound system???

Scott, could you try and sketch up a diagram for that?

[Rick]

If only someone could design some kind of switching system that would allow me to independently power off the arcade machines while leaving on the power for the projector and sound system???

[shponglefan]

Not a snarky comment - I would seriously skip the raised dais/steps in front of the screen.  just looks like a major trip hazard in what appears to be a fairly snug space.

Ditto... and I realized it's just a render, but the whole theater screen area seems oddly over-designed considering the "theater" is just a couch and a bunch of arcade machines along the wall...

[Maximus]

By 'oddly over-designed' do you mean 'it's got some curtains' ?

[PL1]

If only someone could design some kind of switching system that would allow me to independently power off the arcade machines while leaving on the power for the projector and sound system???

Scott, could you try and sketch up a diagram for that?

Put a breaker box somewhere in the room. (Hire a licensed electrician to ensure that it conforms to the National Electrical Code)

The cabs will draw enough amps that you'll need several breakers to power the whole setup. (12 gauge wiring/15 amp circuits or 10 gauge wiring/20 amp circuits IIRC)

Keep the home theater on a separate breaker from the cabs.

Separate the breakers that will be always on from the ones that you want to switch on/off.

Put a diagram on the inside of the breaker box door that shows which outlets go with which breakers.

Bonus points for color coding the diagram, breakers, and outlet faceplates.


Scott

[Maximus]

I was thinking about something more localized to the machine itself, something you could flick to control the flow of power to the device and thus stop all the electronical parts from functioning due to the lack of available electricity

[Maximus]

Seriously though I'm meeting with an electrician tonight to discuss 200A and 300A upgrades for the whole house with a 100A sub panel for the garage only.

[PL1]

Sounds like you're looking for more of a home automation setup like X10 (found these on Amazon) or a similar product.





Some of these systems can even be controlled by your iPhone or iPad if you're so inclined, but I haven't researched anything like that.


Scott

[poodude]

Love the plans! Can't wait to see what the finished product looks like.

[macattack]

Agree the the thought of being able to cut the power to the arcades/pin, however is that really a good thing for them?

I thought it was safer to really leave them running than be switching them on/off multiple times. After all how often does a light bulb blow when it's on versus being turned on

Just a thought.


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[shponglefan]

By 'oddly over-designed' do you mean 'it's got some curtains' ?

More the valance I think 

Don't get me wrong, all that stuff would look nice in a dedicated theater.  It just seems to clash with a bunch of arcade machines right next to it.

[mcseforsale]

Yeah, electronical stuff only breaks when you turn it back on.     Seriously, though, I worked at AT&T when they did a project to save $$ and one of the things they did was evaluate turning off the desktops in certain buildings to see cost effectiveness in their power bill.  What they found was that support costs for busted PCs and such were 4-5 times more for power related illness then the effective savings in power.

Anywhoo.. wish I was closer, cuz I'd volunteer this to your bar project.  431 stainless beer spillover tray.





It's 28" x 5" x 3/4" deep.  Probably holds a gallon of spilt tap beer.

Fully welded with no drain holes.  Found it in the moving trash at work when we switched buildings.  Still not sure what this was doing in a development office, but.

Pay shipping and it's yours.

AJ

[zanna5910]

Pretty cool project, looks like a fun room to be in.

I like how the tv is open for casual watching and whatnot while playing.  have you thought about maybe installing some sort of slideable (track?) panels that could effectively close off the theater section for more private watching to try to eliminate the background noise when you want?  This may or may not be a concern, but if a kid is playing pinball while I was trying to watch a movie it might drive me crazy.  Might be pretty cool.

[yotsuya]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Griff is envisioning this as an either/or room. Either we're watching Beaches or we're playing Ikari Warriors, but not both at the same time. Or if the TV and vids are on, so is a soccer match so sound really doesn't matter.

[Maximus]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Griff is envisioning this as an either/or room. Either we're watching Beaches or we're playing Ikari Warriors, but not both at the same time. Or if the TV and vids are on, so is a soccer match so sound really doesn't matter.

I'm glad someone gets it 

[yotsuya]

I'm glad someone gets it 

I was in the same boat when I had my games in the family room. My solution was to move all the TV stuff out of the family room. 

[Maximus]

have you thought about maybe installing some sort of slideable (track?) panels that could effectively close off the theater section for more private watching to try to eliminate the background noise when you want?  This may or may not be a concern, but if a kid is playing pinball while I was trying to watch a movie it might drive me crazy.  Might be pretty cool.

I don't know that I could do panels as such, but i did play with the idea of heavy floor-to-ceiling black curtains that I could pull out that would cover up all the cabinets, just leaving the walkways, bar and movie area. It would be more of an aesthetic thing making it nice and 'grown up' looking for movie and drinks evenings.

[zanna5910]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Griff is envisioning this as an either/or room. Either we're watching Beaches or we're playing Ikari Warriors, but not both at the same time. Or if the TV and vids are on, so is a soccer match so sound really doesn't matter.

I'm with you, hence the slideable/removable idea.  Sometimes you might need it separated.  I like the casual all-in-one as well, but we know how kids are and a little bit of separation sometimes might be needed.  Good luck with the project.

[Maximus]

Went at it again today and came up with this layout.



More seating in a good social configuration, more storage in the overheads, more cabinets now 13 uprights, 1 pin, 1 cockpit, 1 driver. Feels a lot more like a traditional bar now with stool seating for up to 7 people, couch seating for about 4 and then throw a kid in teh beanbag, although I may ditch that for a small coffee table to place drinks and snacks. Managed to retain my viewing distance to screen size ratio at the couch. Also I like the continuous walkway through the left hand side of the setup. Pulled sneaky move and hid the door to the side laundry room behind a sliding curtain.

[shponglefan]

That layout seems very cramped to me.  Do you really need all those cabinets?  I'd probably ditch at least the first four cabs along the top and a couple along the bottom.

And if you plan to have surround sound you'll need places to put speakers.  Right now it seems the sole focus is on cramming a room with as many arcade machines as possible versus creating a room that can cater to a theater and bar as well.

IMHO if it was me, I'd probably find a way to slice the room in half possibly using a bar, then arcade cabs on one side and theater on the other.  That way you have more opportunity to properly utilize the space of each so you don't end up with this oddly compromised space.

Alternatively, I would still recommend going with a bigscreen instead of a projector if the goal is primarily bar/games room.  Then you don't need as much space for the theater component and the room will have some more space.

[macattack]

Agreed, this version and I guess some of the recent ones seems to have switched from a theater main focus to a bar focus. Personally preferred the earlier versions with separate rooms. Just my 2 cents.


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[HanoiBoi]

I agree with separating the areas as in the earlier renders, and moving area from the island  bar.  I liked the arcade on one side with the theater and bar on the other.  I know the earlier layouts were assuming a larger space, any monkey could see that  , but if this space is big enough, that layout might still work well.

[Dawgz Rule]

Just ran through the whole thing again and I think your best layout was the arcade with the modest bar.  I would give the island bar a close second.  The most recent seems too crowded.  Dividing that size of room up will leave you with two smaller rooms that will also seem crowded in my opinion.  I would recommend going with where your passion lies which seems to lean on the arcade side of the house.  My wife and I toyed arond with the home theater idea in our basement and ultimately ditched it because we aren't that passionate about our movies.  Instead, we have a good size screen and surround sound in our great room and it gets the job done.   If you keep it open concept, you can get the bulk of the finish work done.  Worst case, you will need to have a drop located in the ceiling in the vicinity of where you would put a projector.    Once you start filling it up with stuff, you will have a better idea of the comfort level you will be able to achieve.  In the meantime, keep hacking away at the designs.

[GIZMOGAMES]

ok what with all the skantily clad women the cramped spaces niph neph jokes and nipple rings i cant stop laughing   
but seriously is the garage a pitched or flat roof
and why dont you put into effect a 2 stage plan as i know yr thinking of getting the machines over time why not have 9 machines instead of the alloted ammount youve posted also it would allow a more viable solution to yr plan2 pic with a dedicated mame machine in main bar area and move the driver/starwars cab to the left wall area as posted --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- well until you could get a SEPERATE area built rather than an addition ajoined by a walkway that you wouldnt mind having a blaklight in and cinema this way arrows on ceiling and jazzy floor you could make it a 20 x 20 and utilise the doorway to the back makin the mancave big enough to accomodate the skeeball and other kareoke ideas you have or even take it off to the right doorway from the bar rome wasnt built in a day but i am  of the kind of sized areas you lot seem to have in the usa jelouse just a bit itzy teeny weeny bit yah i am green ok im kermit the frog lmao just a thought as wouldnt that be cheeper and a easier solution

[RandyT]

If I might make one suggestion, if you aren't using a retractable, try to avoid using the space directly in front of your screen as a "walk through".  Good screens can be expensive, and a bear to replace.  I really didn't have much choice in my layout to position the 16' screen I have, but the hackles go up every time someone gets too close to it.  It's manageable with private space, but kids and drunk buddies in that space too often could result in heartache.

[Maximus]

Yeah Randy I hear you on the expensive screens. I actually made my own  from blackout cloth stretched over a timber frame. Looks fantastic and only cost 80 bucks to make. So at least its not as much of a loss risk.

As for splitting the room it would be nice but in reality the measurement s just don't work out well. I would love to do floating wall isolation with heavy bead sandwiched substrate and all the fun HT stuff around a theater space but I just don't have the room with the garage the way it is.

[Maximus]

Also on the subject of screens and projectors. I'm using a PJ because I already own it. It stands up to ambient light very well and works great for sports even in average light. Obviously for movie mode the least light the better but I like that. Also I have had projectors for over ten years in the home. I love the flatness of the image no problems with glare or viewing angles.

Here's a snap of the blackout cloth screen its 120".

 Always hard to take a pic of a projection but you get the idea. The room is light enough to move around without problems the screen brightness just throws off the camera exposure

[RandyT]

Yeah Randy I hear you on the expensive screens. I actually made my own  from blackout cloth stretched over a timber frame. Looks fantastic and only cost 80 bucks to make. So at least its not as much of a loss risk.

I'm a big fan of the blackout cloth.  With the size I had to cover, it was really the only affordable option, other than paint, and the image looks great.  I just can't imagine having to do it again.  Too many staples and ladder moves

[brihyn]

Just a thought...is there an option to make a bar directly behind the couch, slightly lower than a normal bar. You could then have seating in front of it, facing the screen to give you a bit more seating for the screen, and also allow people at the couch to place their drinks directly behind them, keeping you from needing a coffee table? (we put a piece of furniture behind ours for exactly that reason).

[Maximus]

You could but it's not very social everyone staring at the screen. I hate it when all the chairs in a living room center around a TV not very good energy.