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lilshawn:
According to Canadian law, you are legally allowed to make "backup or archival copies" of any form of media that you own and have the right to use in private. This means that if you have DVD players in several rooms of your house, you may copy a DVD that you have legally purchased to use in those players instead of the original in order to prevent damage or wear from affecting the original, or for any other home-use purpose. As with anything, public viewing, distribution, renting or loaning is still strictly prohibited by law.

HOWEVER, there is also a stipulation that states that the bypassing of copyright protection is itself an unlawful act. This is how the distributors get you legally. In order to prevent unlawful copyright infringement (IE: Piracy), the production companies have added copyright protection (such as Macrovision) to DVD's and new CD's to make it more difficult to copy them and software requiring decryption dongles or whathaveyou to operate... But at the same time, they have also now prevented legal owners of those movies and music discs from making copies for their own use, because bypassing the copy protection they have placed on it is unlawful. In other words, while it is still legal to make a copy for your own use, it is illegal to bypass the copy protection on it in order to make that copy.

In the "good ole USA" (home of the free where i believe you hail from)


--- Quote ---Under section 117, you or someone you authorize may make a copy of an original computer program if:

the new copy is being made for archival (i.e., backup) purposes only;
you are the legal owner of the copy; and
any copy made for archival purposes is either destroyed, or transferred with the original copy, once the original copy is sold, given away, or otherwise transferred.
You are not permitted under section 117 to make a backup copy of other material on a computer's hard drive, such as other copyrighted works that have been downloaded (e.g., music, films).

It is also important to check the terms of sale or license agreement of the original copy of software in case any special conditions have been put in place by the copyright owner that might affect your ability or right under section 117 to make a backup copy. There is no other provision in the Copyright Act that specifically authorizes the making of backup copies of works other than computer programs even if those works are distributed as digital copies.
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therein lies a problem with all of this... everything is fine if you make the copy yourself. but the law isn't clear if you download it. sure it's illegal to distribute it, so by downloading it, it's illegal, but at the same time it's legal because we have an original work. the copy you have is illegal? legal? GRAY. There is no black/white in the law that covers this situation.


--- Quote ---You couldnt even get the ROM data, if you didnt UPLOAD it from the chip to your PC / Rom Burner.
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ugh.  look if you pull a ROM out of a game and load the info from that chip onto your computer screen, you have made a copy. (even if you don't save it, memory is considered a medium.) are you sure you know what UPLOADING means in the context? in that case it was being used to describe the computer system that is supplying your computer with the data. IE a "seed" you are making or "DOWNLOADING" (finger air quites), a copy.


--- Quote --- And, furthermore, its doubtful the Law states you are allowed to COPY (backup) your Roms from one chip to another... even in the case of a failing chip.
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archival purposes explained above in the USA law section


--- Quote --- Thats a bunch of Crap and you know it.

 It doesnt matter how CLEARLY spelled out the Law is.   Someone will just alter its meaning to suit their agenda,  use psychological tactics to get people on their side  (WMD!),  Buy out and or threaten the Jury,  Buy the Judges  (in Monsanto's case... put their own corrupt & morally bankrupt people in the FDA to pass their deadly toxic tampered seed)...

 Basically, the law means SQUAT.

 If someone wants to screw you over.. and they have the money, power, or key friendships... your getting screwed, no matter if the law is written word for word perfect.

 In Liar Liar, it wasnt the Laws that failed.  Its that the system is easily corrupted by money and power.   Nothing at all, to do with written word.

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He who holds the gold... ::) you have a problem with it, stop voting for them.


--- Quote ---Hate to say it.. but even hardware is IP.   You cant make a duplicate SNES motherboard, and sell it.
Certain chips are custom built..  where as others are generic.  But the order and way they are assembled are IP.

 But, being that these chips are being emulated, rather than reproduced physically.. changes things.  Also, if the process is even mildly different, it may also change things.

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so if i take a shitload of transistors, capacitors, and resistors (essentially what IC's comprise of) and solder it all together into a room sized abortion that could in theory load a SNES rom image and run the programming. (assuming I did not just reverse engineer the original SNES to produce it) is the giant abortion legal or illegal? the "method" has been violated. but not any kind of IP. how about using similar chips to perform a similar function? how about using a software emulation of the hardware chips? this is all starting to sound the same. in one hand you say emulation is fine, then in the other you say it's illegal because the hardware is IP. so which is it? is mame illegal now? yes if i plopped my SNESCLONE into a case that looked the same as the SNES case it would be illegal because i'm stealing the design of the case. put it into my own case and i'm good to go. (i suppose)  :dunno


--- Quote ---You can get sued if something is too close to the original in nature.  They are definite bounds.  Usually companies dont bother to sue clones.  But many of them could, and many of them would win.   Even mild notices sent via email on the threat of possible lawsuit, usually does the trick.   Most times the said clone is far inferior anyways.
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pathetic scare tactics. if you had the bucks you could fight and win. but you don't so we cave and get our asses handed to us.


--- Quote --- Mame has nothing to do with ROMs being sold... just like Grills manufacturers have nothing to do with what gets cooked on them.
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well said. Absolutely right.

Vigo:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on June 30, 2013, 12:08:50 am --- Mame has nothing to do with ROMs being sold... just like Grills manufacturers have nothing to do with what gets cooked on them.


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From my experience, sometimes even grill owners have nothing to do with what gets cooked on them.  ;)

Dawgz Rule:

--- Quote ---From my experience, sometimes even grill owners have nothing to do with what gets cooked on them. 
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   :laugh2: :cheers:

CoryBee:
HAHAHAHA  :laugh2:

Took me a second to remember that story vigo

ChadTower:

 :laugh2: :laugh2:



Lilshawn, stop arguing with that meatbag and go back to normal life.

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