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BadMouth:
Sell collections of movies or MP3s that are "freely available from the internet" and see how far you get.

lilshawn:

--- Quote from: BadMouth on June 24, 2013, 09:04:24 am ---Sell collections of movies or MP3s that are "freely available from the internet" and see how far you get.

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exactly.

Howard_Casto:
I kind of worry about these services like emumovies and ect as well.  I know they are pretty awesome and it's a ton of work to gather that stuff (I did the marquee packs for a short time back in the day) but you are essentially selling copyrighted images.  There is such a thing as free use when it comes to images so it's a little more gray, but it still worries me. 

One of the reasons why I've never charged for my stuff btw.... that and I doubt many people would pay for it.  ;)

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: DillonFoulds on June 22, 2013, 06:01:27 pm ---ROM sales are hard to justify. If a person has legal rights to own copies of the ROMs, then they legally must have physical PCB copies of the ROMs too, should they not?

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No, not necessarily.  The license to use a piece of software is not always tied to the physical media that contains a copy.  A lot of times in the consumer space it is implied but even there you can find examples of a license being independent of the media.  Windows is an easy example.  The fact that a person has an install disc does not mean they have a valid license key.  The exact same thing could be said of arcade PCBs.  It generally isn't because the games were sold as appliances without license to modify but I'm betting a lot of modern arcade games, especially the ones running on off the shelf PC hardware, do have an license scheme independent of the hardware.

Howard_Casto:
Yeah it's a messed up, outdated legal system that screws us over on that. 

Software, even if it's designed to only run on one very specific device, is considered intellectual property, like a song or a story ect... and therefore the software that comes with your hardware isn't something you own.... you own the hardware and the software is independent of that, often giving you a license to run it on that particular hardware unit you bought. 

Imho  this should really be done on a case by case basis and shouldn't be that clear cut.  I mean I can buy a lawnmower with proprietary components, and I have the legal right to strip that engine apart and use it to fix up another mower.  Heck you have the legal right to copy one of those parts if it breaks as well, so long as you don't sell the parts themselves.  So if my pacman pcb dies, why don't I have a legal right to take a part of it (in this case the rom) and use it to build a mame cab?  I certainly get that it would be harder to track and enforce as software exists in the ether but I don't see how that's the consumer's problem. 

It seems like the consumers rights are stomped on to make it more convenient for the businesses to make money.   

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