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BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« on: June 13, 2013, 10:56:14 am »
Yes. Yes, it does.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 10:59:47 am »
Let's fix the Wiki system/access first.  Or else PL1 may stroke out.  :))



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First off, Hoopz is right.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 11:02:30 am »
Rep for Hoopz for #2.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 11:18:11 am »
http://reddit.com/r/cade/ has karma, and too few visitors.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 11:21:41 am »
http://reddit.com/r/cade/ has karma, and too few visitors.

KLOV has a rep system, Pinside has Karma, and the Hyperspin forums have a "Thanks" system. r/cade has a horrible layout, no wonder it doesn't have many visitors.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 11:49:25 am »
r/cade has a horrible layout, no wonder it doesn't have many visitors.

If that had any weight, all of reddit would be a ghost town, but it is most definitely not.  /r/cade is just the new guy, and uptake is always slow in a community as small as ours.

I don't know why threaded message boards aren't more popular.  Reddit is not perfect, I'll grant you, but it has a lot of conversational features that this site does not.  Discourse actually looks like it's going to be a very, very good discussion system, once it's released.  You can get the code for it now, and host it yourself now, but that would be a lot to deal with for someone that isn't familiar with hosting Ruby apps. 

The monolithic, new posts always go on the bottom style that nearly every single discussion forum uses is really not ideal when you're replying or there are multiple threads of conversation within a thread.  Reddit doesn't do it that way, and therefore it has some value.  You can turn off the subreddit styles if you like, and get the vanilla reddit experience if that's more to your liking.  Each subreddit can have its own wiki and the admins can control access to it as well.  Reddit has value, and it's free.  You won't earn ad revenue, but it doesn't cost anything either.  Imgur.com and youtube.com are free so image & video hosting are not an issue.  There is no file repository, but there are plenty of online filesharing services, a lot of which are free or close enough that it does not matter.

You might try creating your own subreddit and then style it up however you like.  Maybe you won't like it, but at the very least you might learn something, and that's never wasted effort.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 11:51:35 am »
I dunno how Karma would work, Im sure 404 and XuiceBox would -fu me endlessly I only say that because I would totally do the same thing to them.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 12:04:10 pm »
I dunno how Karma would work, Im sure 404 and XuiceBox would -fu me endlessly I only say that because I would totally do the same thing to them.

It'd balance out. ;D

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 12:06:48 pm »
I dunno how Karma would work, Im sure 404 and XuiceBox would -fu me endlessly I only say that because I would totally do the same thing to them.

Yeah, You're not trolling at all.  ::)

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 12:07:11 pm »
Anyway back to some real adult conversation.

 I've administered a number of forums over the years and the karma systems always lead to more trouble than they are worth. Generally they just create small e-kliqs/gangs of guys that negative rep just about anything that their buddies give negative rep to and create elitist groups.

The other half of the equation tends to lead to guys that get pissed off because they were negatively rep'd and stir even more trouble.


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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 12:11:12 pm »
I dunno how Karma would work, Im sure 404 and XuiceBox would -fu me endlessly I only say that because I would totally do the same thing to them.

It'd balance out. ;D

Anyway back to some real adult conversation.

 I've administered a number of forums over the years and the karma systems always lead to more trouble than they are worth. Generally they just create small e-kliqs/gangs of guys that negative rep just about anything that their buddies give negative rep to and create elitist groups.

The other half of the equation tends to lead to guys that get pissed off because they were negatively rep'd and stir even more trouble.



Proved my point before i could even finish posting about it.  :laugh2:

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 12:12:10 pm »
Wait, that +24 under my name isn't my Karma? Well, I guess that explains how Malenko made it to a +45.  >:D

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 12:12:44 pm »
Anyway back to some real adult conversation.

 I've administered a number of forums over the years and the karma systems always lead to more trouble than they are worth. Generally they just create small e-kliqs/gangs of guys that negative rep just about anything that their buddies give negative rep to and create elitist groups.

The other half of the equation tends to lead to guys that get pissed off because they were negatively rep'd and stir even more trouble.

Since we're all adults*, maybe it could be only a positive support system. So everyone gets their participation trophies, and no one gets their feelings hurt.  :'( :hissy: :'(

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 12:13:19 pm »
Wait, that +24 under my name isn't my Karma? Well, I guess that explains how Malenko made it to a +45.  >:D

lol, yeah I'm a great buyer/seller I'm just also a ---tallywhacker---.


I dunno how Karma would work, Im sure 404 and XuiceBox would -fu me endlessly I only say that because I would totally do the same thing to them.

Yeah, You're not trolling at all.  ::)
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 12:16:14 pm »
Anyway back to some real adult conversation.

 I've administered a number of forums over the years and the karma systems always lead to more trouble than they are worth. Generally they just create small e-kliqs/gangs of guys that negative rep just about anything that their buddies give negative rep to and create elitist groups.

The other half of the equation tends to lead to guys that get pissed off because they were negatively rep'd and stir even more trouble.

That happens.  Reddit as a whole somehow escaped this, at least on a large scale.  Most subreddits have tiny wee baby fights over stupid things from time to time, but those discussions usually die quickly; judicious use of the "ban" feature can squelch that stuff pretty effectively.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 12:19:54 pm »
lol, yeah I'm a great buyer/seller I'm just also a ---tallywhacker---.

at least you're aware of it.  a lot of folks i know are ---punks--- and think it's everyone else that has the problem.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 12:21:35 pm »
lol, yeah I'm a great buyer/seller I'm just also a ---tallywhacker---.

at least you're aware of it.  a lot of folks i know are ---punks--- and think it's everyone else that has the problem.

...and you keep the word count down. ;D


Since we're all adults*, maybe it could be only a positive support system. So everyone gets their participation trophies, and no one gets their feelings hurt.  :'( :hissy: :'(

How about everybody gets 3 yellow squares Under their name? If they are super special they can get purple stars.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 12:22:51 pm »
How about everybody gets 3 yellow squares Under their name? If they are super special they can get purple stars.

Holy crap! We DO have a rep system! :lol

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 12:24:24 pm »
lol, yeah I'm a great buyer/seller I'm just also a ---tallywhacker---.

at least you're aware of it.  a lot of folks i know are ---punks--- and think it's everyone else that has the problem.

Honestly I'm not that bad, I joke around A LOT, maybe too much. 404 thinks everything I type is super srs so he hates me, and Im ok with that, you cant please everyone. Like if I typed 404: Funny not Found he wouldnt get it and think I was calling him a Nazi or something. I do like the fact he turned the word filter off though, something Neph needs to do, what a tallywhacker lol
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 12:27:22 pm »
something Neph needs to do, what a tallywhacker lol

I hear ya, that guy is a ---smurfing--- --missioncontrol--!

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 12:29:42 pm »
How about everybody gets 3 yellow squares Under their name? If they are super special they can get purple stars.

I always viewed that as a rank, not as anything karmic.  Folks that aren't newbies and aren't moderators get three yellows.  Is that not right, or are you saying that's enough that we're all equal?

I'm ok with a karma statistic per-post, but not really per-account.  At least not in a way that's visible to everyone else.  As soon as the score is visible, it becomes a game, and increasing your score while decreasing everyone else's become a source of motivation, when motivations should be altruistic, at least primarily.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2013, 12:39:03 pm »
Honestly I'm not that bad, I joke around A LOT, maybe too much. 404 thinks everything I type is super srs so he hates me, and Im ok with that, you cant please everyone. Like if I typed 404: Funny not Found he wouldnt get it and think I was calling him a Nazi or something. I do like the fact he turned the word filter off though, something Neph needs to do, what a tallywhacker lol

Yeah, this is coming from the same guy who bombarded my pm inbox about a dozen private messages with such phrases as "YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A TOTAL P()SSY"  :laugh2:
You've literally proven my point with every post you make.

anyway, have your fun.




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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2013, 12:59:35 pm »
How about everybody gets 3 yellow squares Under their name? If they are super special they can get purple stars.

I always viewed that as a rank, not as anything karmic.  Folks that aren't newbies and aren't moderators get three yellows.  Is that not right, or are you saying that's enough that we're all equal?

I'm mostly joking because we all do have a rank, but it is pretty meaningless. The purple stars are, as I understand, just for doing wiki work. The wiki is pretty broken right now, so there is little that can be done there until that gets fixed up.

I would love to see a working rank system. Something with a number of levels. Might be a good indicator for noobs to see experience level (although nothing will be perfect). It would also be cool to have our projects integrated into our profile somehow, so you can see who did what without the need for signatures.

And I agree about reps. That is good fun.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2013, 03:12:28 pm »
Reddit is so ---smurfing--- backward, I don't know why people use it. Dorks, I guess.

I think the yellow boxes equate to how many posts you have.

'Likes' is a happy, friendly....erm, snoot sucking.....system. The only thing it's sorta good for is when you post something, and people like it instead of wasting post space witha 'yeap'.

There ain't no need for a rep system.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2013, 03:18:27 pm »
There ain't no need for a rep system.

GA has spoken.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2013, 03:50:17 pm »
Wouldn't care for a system either tbh.  Eventually one learns who to ignore anyways.   :P

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2013, 03:56:42 pm »
There ain't no need for a rep system.

GA has spoken.

Yep.  What's 25million unique visitors per month?  Reddit iz teh dumbz

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2013, 04:00:20 pm »
[great image of thread abandonment]

if that said "you guys" instead of "this thread" I think it would have been funnier, but as it stands it's a good image.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2013, 05:02:21 pm »
was working didnt see his reply. I like how I "bombarded" him with PMs even though every single PM I sent him other than the first was a reply and after I politely asked him to stop PMing me he continued to do so. So yes, I am as guilty of using vulgar language as he is of being a ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---. His beef with me started because he somehow got the notion I told someone they werent allowed to sell bartop kits because haruman was. Something I never said or implied, even the guy selling them said he and I were cool. But enough of that, when you dig up the past, all you get is dirty.

That being said, I dont think an open Karma/Rep system would work with the sheer number of conflicting personalities on here. Perhaps something where you give people "knowledge points" like sales feedback, linking to the thread, which would allow for moderation if need be. For example a "report feedback" if you got a negative and the link is to you not liking the NRA in the politics and religion section. And with all that Idont think we should have one
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2013, 05:21:07 pm »
Let's fix the Wiki system/access first.  Or else PL1 may stroke out.  :))

:lol  So far it's been striking out instead of stroking out, but I think I'll survive whatever happens when Saint gets time to work on the wiki.  :lol

If we do some kind of Karma system, would it be possible to limit each user account to 1 good/bad/neutral vote/comment per other user account?

Seems like that could reduce the spam factor.


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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2013, 07:16:00 pm »
was working didnt see his reply. I like how I "bombarded" him with PMs even though every single PM I sent him other than the first was a reply and after I politely asked him to stop PMing me he continued to do so. So yes, I am as guilty of using vulgar language as he is of being a ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---. His beef with me started because he somehow got the notion I told someone they werent allowed to sell bartop kits because haruman was. Something I never said or implied, even the guy selling them said he and I were cool. But enough of that, when you dig up the past, all you get is dirty.

That being said, I dont think an open Karma/Rep system would work with the sheer number of conflicting personalities on here. Perhaps something where you give people "knowledge points" like sales feedback, linking to the thread, which would allow for moderation if need be. For example a "report feedback" if you got a negative and the link is to you not liking the NRA in the politics and religion section. And with all that Idont think we should have one

*sigh* I really shouldn't be responding but i just trolls like you tend to lure me back in every time.



Let's set the scenario.

An admitted beta tester for a product sold by a moderator trolls a newbie forum member's post where he sells a competing product.

One of two other posts just like it. Person's FS thread was subsequently trolled two other times after you.


And with that said, I'm all done here.





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« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2013, 07:26:00 pm »
***Gasp!***

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2013, 08:40:28 pm »
I just signed up on exploding rabbit.  Their setup is a lot like ours but they have a feature to like a post.  Likes seem to translate into some form of a ranking system over there, but I don't think that would be necessary.  The number of likes a person has received isn't displayed under their name.  I think you can also "follow" a person to browse their recent posts more easily.  It's kind of a twitter/facebook combo.  Perhaps those elements could be useful without being decisive. 

Under the avatar list the number of post likes a person has and their number of followers.  Between those two numbers I think it could be useful.  People see Ond or Pixel poking around and notice they have a few thousand followers it's gets a message across that they're doing some cool stuff.  People see PL1 with a few thousand post likes and they know he puts out good poop.  Likes linked to posts, followers linked to users.  No dislike, no DO NOT FOLLOW, keep it positive. 

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2013, 08:42:48 pm »
Whoa! The rare purple stars! :o

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2013, 08:45:14 pm »
Whoa! The rare purple stars! :o

Yeah, I'm an Armenian general...or an astronaut, or something. 

Oh, and why not four stars?  Some folks have five, they're generally mod types, got that, but the four seems to be unpossible.  Why?

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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2013, 11:17:22 pm »
Under the avatar list the number of post likes a person has and their number of followers.  Between those two numbers I think it could be useful. 
. . .
Likes linked to posts, followers linked to users.  No dislike, no DO NOT FOLLOW, keep it positive.
Sounds like a good system in keeping with the age old wisdom, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."

People see PL1 with a few thousand post likes and they know he puts out good poop.
I've been told many times that I am indeed full of something like that:duckhunt

If there's a "doping" scandal, will there be an asterisk by my number?

 
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2013, 08:49:01 am »
And with that said, I'm all done here.
cause smiley faces = super serious! 404 has beef with me, ebarlow doesn't. If someone can figure that out for me, I'd appreciate it.  :dunno


Anyways, lets get our Wiki going strong and worry about the positive energy circle jerk later.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2013, 09:38:01 am »
404 has beef with me, ebarlow doesn't. If someone can figure that out for me, I'd appreciate it.  :dunno

If your beef with 404 concerns you, stop antagonizing him, or stop doing whatever he thinks you're doing to antagonize him.  I like you both and don't see the point of continued discussion on past matters.

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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2013, 09:45:28 am »
If your beef with Malenko concerns you, stop antagonizing him.

I fixed that for you, since I think you were talking to someone else.
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« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2013, 09:50:00 am »
I was talking to you, but I quoted the wrong bit.  Maybe.  I don't know, I'm tired.  I'll edit it out.

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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2013, 10:50:11 am »
Anyways, lets get our Wiki going strong and worry about the positive energy circle jerk later.

Yeah, I'm not all for "hugs for everyone".

The wiki is too damned outdated and I see no point in even getting it working again. It'd just take a crap ton of time to get it up to snuff. You'd still have lazy noobs starting new threads asking questions instead of actually searching themselves. They all seem to want everything placed in their laps.

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« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2013, 10:52:33 am »
Funny you say that. I'd rather see the main site get overhauled myself before I'd worry about the Wiki. This isn't 2002, afterall.  >:D
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« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2013, 11:22:11 am »
Funny you say that. I'd rather see the main site get overhauled myself before I'd worry about the Wiki. This isn't 2002, afterall.  >:D

Sainty poo said the main site is dead. Im sure we can get cossackswarrior to go bump it anyway though.
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« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2013, 02:54:48 pm »
The wiki is too damned outdated and I see no point in even getting it working again. It'd just take a crap ton of time to get it up to snuff. You'd still have lazy noobs starting new threads asking questions instead of actually searching themselves. They all seem to want everything placed in their laps.

So, instead we take a crap-ton-and-a-half of time typing up answers to the noobs instead of being able to ask, "What part of the FAQ/wiki didn't you understand?" which also sends the same, "Did you do your homework?" message to the lurking noobs.

If you look at just the posts I've done concerning VP Upper Flippers/MagnaSave, you'll see that some of the later posts had better info, some posts are better worded than others, I had to double back to earlier posts to correct a few errors, and some posts left out relevant details that were covered in some earlier posts in other threads.

Having the wiki working probably would have saved me about 5 hours of searching, consolidating, and re-typing posts on this one subject alone.

A functional wiki allows the basic concepts/techniques/methods of the hobby to be organized into a comprehensive logical presentation order that is almost impossible to achieve through thread posts alone.

A broken/outdated wiki and FAQ (currently only available via archive.org's Internet Wayback Machine) just encourages the noobs to ask the same old questions and makes it harder for us to pass along the fundamentals.


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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2013, 03:03:57 pm »
The wiki is too damned outdated and I see no point in even getting it working again. It'd just take a crap ton of time to get it up to snuff. You'd still have lazy noobs starting new threads asking questions instead of actually searching themselves. They all seem to want everything placed in their laps.

So, instead we take a crap-ton-and-a-half of time typing up answers to the noobs instead of being able to ask, "What part of the FAQ/wiki didn't you understand?" which also sends the same, "Did you do your homework?" message to the lurking noobs.

If you look at just the posts I've done concerning VP Upper Flippers/MagnaSave, you'll see that some of the later posts had better info, some posts are better worded than others, I had to double back to earlier posts to correct a few errors, and some posts left out relevant details that were covered in some earlier posts in other threads.

Having the wiki working probably would have saved me about 5 hours of searching, consolidating, and re-typing posts on this one subject alone.

A functional wiki allows the basic concepts/techniques/methods of the hobby to be organized into a comprehensive logical presentation order that is almost impossible to achieve through thread posts alone.

A broken/outdated wiki and FAQ (currently only available via archive.org's Internet Wayback Machine) just encourages the noobs to ask the same old questions and makes it harder for us to pass along the fundamentals.


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If you want to save yourself time from searching to answer a noob's question which you may have answered in the past, stop answering. The information is out there, let them go find it.
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« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2013, 04:13:05 pm »
If you want to save yourself time from searching to answer a noob's question which you may have answered in the past, stop answering. The information is out there, let them go find it.

Yup.  Sometimes the best teaching method is non-interference.

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« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2013, 12:39:33 am »
Different people have different learning styles.

Reading project announcements is a great way for people who are hands-on type learners to see how things fit together.

The FAQ and wiki are better for book type learners.

A good FAQ and wiki can give noobs a foundation of basic knowledge before they dig into the various builds.

Not having that type of foundation available encourages even more of them to ask ignorant questions.

Part of the reason I answer the questions is that it allows me to learn the subject better.

If you really want to learn something, try teaching it.   ;D

At some point, it makes sense to consolidate and distill the knowledge we've learned into a more organized format and give it back to the community for everyone's benefit.   :cheers:


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« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2013, 01:18:01 am »
If you really want to learn something, try teaching it.   ;D

Agreed.  I also find this to be true when I'm writing software documentation.  While I'm writing I somehow think of edge cases I did not think of when I was writing the software.  Writing proper docs has always either helped me better understand what I'm writing about, or discover things because I'm looking at it from a different angle.

I imagine teaching would be the very same.

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« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2013, 08:05:49 am »
Rigby takes everybody's side. He's like a negatroll.

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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2013, 12:57:33 pm »
cause smiley faces = super serious! 404 has beef with me, ebarlow doesn't. If someone can figure that out for me, I'd appreciate it.  :dunno

Ya all just need ta ---fudgesicle---.


You can also determine what you like aesthetically just by checking out other people's projects.

Fixed.


I also find this to be true when I'm writing software documentation.  While I'm writing I somehow think of edge cases I did not think of when I was writing the software.  Writing proper docs has always either helped me better understand what I'm writing about, or discover things because I'm looking at it from a different angle.

This is a major reason I hang out here. I have the opportunity to explore myself and fine tune it. I'm picky about where I do this, though. Here is the public place I spend the most time - a few hours every couple/few days - doing it.


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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2013, 11:39:08 pm »
@PL1: I think he meant Hoops meant brain stroke, yo.

That is how I took it and my reply meant that I was unsuccessful with ("striking-out") but not having a brain stroke over ("stroking-out") getting wiki logins restored, but then . . .




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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2013, 05:36:47 pm »

That is how I took it and my reply meant that I was unsuccessful with ("striking-out") but not having a brain stroke over ("stroking-out") getting wiki logins restored, but then . . .


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« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2013, 01:10:39 am »
Yes. Yes, it does.

Well, looks like this thread has come full circle.   ;D

Here's another variation to consider -- a 2-part system.

Part one is the ability to "like" individual posts and/or threads Facebook-style.

Part two is the ability to rate individuals on a 5-star scale one vote for each other forum member Amazon-review-style.

Display the two ratings under their avatar like this:
 - Posts: 55
 - Likes: 42
 - Rep: ***** (25 votes)

To minimize spam/astroturfing, only enable these rating mechanisms for members with more than 20 posts.


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« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2013, 05:58:47 am »
I'm with PL1 - and since we're quoting ourselves here's my two cents again  ;D

Under the avatar list the number of post likes a person has and their number of followers.  Between those two numbers I think it could be useful.  People see Ond or Pixel poking around and notice they have a few thousand followers it's gets a message across that they're doing some cool stuff.  People see PL1 with a few thousand post likes and they know he puts out good poop.  Likes linked to posts, followers linked to users.  No dislike, no DO NOT FOLLOW, keep it positive. 

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« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2013, 10:09:09 am »
+1 PL1 does put out good poop! The guy is everywhere! He's like the Shadow! The Shadow Knows! ^-^

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« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2013, 11:07:35 am »
Le Chuck -  Sorry.  Forgot to mention that I stole half of your idea for the 2-part system.   :notworthy:

I like the "follow" idea for browsing, but not so much for rep.

One way to somewhat do "follow" now is to keep a browser tab open with "user profile - view all posts".   :dunno

The reason for the 5-star voting is to add a little nuance to the rep system by allowing a range of responses:
      * - Strongly dislike/disagree
     ** - Somewhat dislike/disagree
   *** - Neutral
  **** - Somewhat like/agree
***** - Strongly like/agree

In 'carrot and stick' terms, the likes are an unlimited supply of carrots, and the review stars can be one carrot, one stick, or one neutral.

I prefer to keep things positive, but there are times where a dose of negative reinforcement can be useful.

Like the old saying goes, "Spare the stick, spoil the forum."   :duckhunt


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« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2013, 02:39:49 pm »
The pinside system is very good.  add a small amount of karma for any post or review/rating.  Click tilt warnings for posts you object to -offensive, sexist, whatever.  Then you set your own account to show or hide posts at whatever tilt warning level you want.  you can still click through and see a tilted/hidden post if you wish. 

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« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2013, 03:24:08 pm »

The Pinside system leads to half the userbase posting the same bump post every other thread.

"Wish I were closer"
"good luck with sale"
"Throw some LEDs in that bad boy and you're awesome!"
"bdbd, nice ass, Buck"


There is so much noise there that it's hard to find the signal half the time.  Post count shouldn't contribute to overall status but that's what Pinside's karma function does.  Yeah, you get a little extra if someone thumbs up your post, but barely anyone uses that.  Wander around there and you'll find posts with jawdropping project images and videos without a single thumbs up.  I find myself frequently wondering how I could possibly be the first person pressing the thumbs up button on some things there.  Stuff like detailed playfield touchup tutorials months old and not a single post of example images with any thumbs up.

But man, every single FS thread, has 2 real posts and 10 post count bumps to build one's own karma.



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« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2013, 04:30:51 pm »
Those are true issues.

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« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2013, 09:25:23 am »

I thought of something last night.  Some forums have a "like" function for posts.  It's not connected to post count in any way I can tell.  Users are able to like individual posts.  Their user profile displays how many likes they have received and how many likes they have given.  There's no incentive, post count wise, to like anything.

Some others have a reputation function that operates mostly the same way.  There's no negative button, just a positive one, and so long as it's not attached to post count somehow that can be a useful thing.  Unfortunately I've seen a few forums where the REPutation button is right next to the REPort button and it's the REPort button that has REP on it.   :dizzy:

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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2013, 04:54:24 am »
Yes. Yes, it does.

4 Month Bump!

Saint has still done nothing to fix the rep system. My PMs have fallen on deaf ears. When will the madness end?!

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« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2013, 07:04:23 am »
It's on his "To Do" list -- right after wiki logins.   >:D   :lol


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« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2013, 05:40:27 pm »
The wiki is too damned outdated and I see no point in even getting it working again. It'd just take a crap ton of time to get it up to snuff. You'd still have lazy noobs starting new threads asking questions instead of actually searching themselves. They all seem to want everything placed in their laps.

So, instead we take a crap-ton-and-a-half of time typing up answers to the noobs instead of being able to ask, "What part of the FAQ/wiki didn't you understand?" which also sends the same, "Did you do your homework?" message to the lurking noobs.

If you look at just the posts I've done concerning VP Upper Flippers/MagnaSave, you'll see that some of the later posts had better info, some posts are better worded than others, I had to double back to earlier posts to correct a few errors, and some posts left out relevant details that were covered in some earlier posts in other threads.

Having the wiki working probably would have saved me about 5 hours of searching, consolidating, and re-typing posts on this one subject alone.

A functional wiki allows the basic concepts/techniques/methods of the hobby to be organized into a comprehensive logical presentation order that is almost impossible to achieve through thread posts alone.

A broken/outdated wiki and FAQ (currently only available via archive.org's Internet Wayback Machine) just encourages the noobs to ask the same old questions and makes it harder for us to pass along the fundamentals.


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The Two-Headed Beast was my first attempt at creating my own rig. Not once did I consult the wiki. The most valuable resource any new builder has is the Project Announcements section of the forum. You can learn from other people's mistakes and successes. You can also determine what you like aesthetically just by checking out other people's projects. The reason why noobs start a new thread to ask questions to which the answers can easily be found is because they're in too much of a hurry to read. Having a wiki won't solve that.

If you want to save yourself time from searching to answer a noob's question which you may have answered in the past, stop answering. The information is out there, let them go find it.
I have been at this for about a year and I am definitely  a noob. I have built a cab, one I'm happy with and I am definitely a noob. The Wiki sucks!!!! Getting answers from anyone about anything sucks. The FAQs and stickies are a great tool and I want to thank Saint and everyone who has had any part in that. Between Stickies and FAQs and YOU TUBE searches and trial and error and more trial and a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- load more error I am starting to kinda get my head around this fun satisfying and profitable (hahahahahahahahahaha) hobby. Any ways I feel bad for guys asking a simple look it up yourself question because I know they will get ignored until they go away. I really believe it is in the best interest for all of us to make things easier on the noobs. If we continue to be closed minded we will end up turning away some really interesting and fresh ideas. Anyways that's my 2 pennies and if you were wondering. VEGETABLE SOUP : it's what's for dinner.

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« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2013, 05:41:51 pm »
You lost me at VEGETABLE SOUP, bro.  >:D
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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2013, 12:40:20 pm »
Ive always tried to help the new peeps. I meant I tried to Run Xuuche off, but he stuck around :( JK JK JK!  :cheers:
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« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2013, 01:49:04 pm »
I try to help, but I think most of the time, it falls on deaf ears :-\

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« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2013, 02:45:25 pm »
Negative rep for all of you. :P

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« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2013, 07:48:53 pm »
Negative rep for all of you. :P

The first rule of rep is you don't talk about rep

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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2014, 12:04:35 am »
Yup, any day now.

Hey, it worked for PL1 and the wiki...

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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2014, 02:06:23 pm »
Yup, any day now.

Hey, it worked for PL1 and the wiki...

Id guess at LEAST 5 more months. keep bumpin it brother!
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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2014, 02:46:42 pm »
We have a rep system. It's called the UCAs.  >:D
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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2014, 02:47:29 pm »
The UCAs aren't happening.  Stop trying to make them happen.

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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2014, 02:49:13 pm »
Third year in a row, homes. Quit pissing in our Cheerios.
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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2014, 03:00:04 pm »
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« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2014, 03:35:30 pm »
Let's get Tapatalk fixed first.  Leave the "rep" over on KLOV.

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Amen on the Tapatalk!
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #77 on: January 23, 2014, 08:34:12 am »
TAP A TALK
TAP A TALK

TAP A Freakin TALK!!!!!!

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« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2014, 06:31:13 pm »
Hey a-holes, start yer own thread!

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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2014, 06:34:31 pm »
Hey a-holes, start yer own thread!

yeah!  -karma bishes!

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« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2014, 08:57:21 pm »
Hey a-holes, start yer own thread!

Why you gonna diss PBJ like dat?
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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2014, 09:10:08 pm »
Why you gonna diss PBJ like dat?

Meh, Neph's gotta neph.

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« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2014, 09:19:15 pm »
Why you gonna diss PBJ like dat?

Meh, Neph's gotta neph.

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« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2014, 10:06:52 pm »

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« Reply #84 on: January 24, 2014, 07:26:03 pm »
Dragging this over to the correct thread.   ;D

Karma is easy to turn on. Do people really want it? Always seemed to me like it had the potential to be used as a club against people.

As the old saying goes, the devil's in the details.   >:D

How would the current system work if turned on?  Any options/variables?

If it works like Le Chuck's ideas here, ChadTower's ideas here, or my ideas here, it could be fine 8) . . . but if it turns into "chimps flinging poo", not so much.  :bat


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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2014, 09:38:59 am »
OK Nephasth, I don't have you on ignore :)

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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2014, 10:03:59 am »
Now restore "delete posts" option

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« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2014, 10:46:43 am »
Karma system installed. Up-votes only, no down-votes possible. Must have 5 posts to up-vote (Opinion?). Can only up-vote someone once per hour. Called it "Reputation" but open to other suggestions.

I must be blind. I can see the points, but can't see anything to give someone reputation.

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« Reply #88 on: January 25, 2014, 11:11:59 am »
No, not just you. It's not showing up for non-admins. Trying to figure out why...

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« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2014, 11:16:28 am »
No, not just you. It's not showing up for non-admins. Trying to figure out why...

There we go! How about now?

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« Reply #90 on: January 25, 2014, 11:35:16 am »
It's there now! :applaud:

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« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2014, 11:42:50 am »
no down vote? kinda weak.
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« Reply #92 on: January 25, 2014, 11:56:48 am »
no down vote? kinda weak.

Rep for you! :lol

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« Reply #93 on: January 25, 2014, 12:47:02 pm »
no down vote? kinda weak.

Rep for you! :lol

Exactly why we don't need a Rep system.   :lol

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« Reply #94 on: January 25, 2014, 12:49:31 pm »
no down vote? kinda weak.

Rep for you! :lol

Exactly why we don't need a Rep system.   :lol

When everyone has rep no one has rep. 

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« Reply #95 on: January 25, 2014, 01:18:12 pm »
Looks like saint is testing "down vote". Imatest has -1.

Now we need to be able to see what posts we're getting the rep for...
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« Reply #96 on: January 25, 2014, 03:29:53 pm »
I hope no one downvotes for typos.  I leave out words sometimes.

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« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2014, 04:19:19 pm »
Now restore "delete posts" option

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« Reply #98 on: January 26, 2014, 04:39:52 am »
Looks like saint is testing "down vote". Imatest has -1.

Now we need to be able to see what posts we're getting the rep for...

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« Reply #99 on: January 26, 2014, 02:51:34 pm »
I hope no one downvotes for typos.  I leave out words sometimes.

I never down-vote for typos, we all make mistakes sometimes, nor for common abbreviations.  I DO down-vote for "leet speak".  Trying to read a message that looks like it was typed with someone's big toe on a T9 keyboard while they were driving is just stupid.

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« Reply #100 on: January 26, 2014, 05:45:27 pm »
I hope no one downvotes for typos.  I leave out words sometimes.

I never down-vote for typos, we all make mistakes sometimes, nor for common abbreviations.  I DO down-vote for "leet speak".  Trying to read a message that looks like it was typed with someone's big toe on a T9 keyboard while they were driving is just stupid.
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« Reply #101 on: January 26, 2014, 11:02:17 pm »
Karma is a slippery slope... pretty soon we are going to be posting cat videos.

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Karma is a slippery slope... pretty soon we are going to be posting cat videos.

I was not particularly interested in a karma system, and will be keeping an eye on it. If it's causing more grief than it's giving benefit, it'll get yanked.
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« Reply #103 on: January 27, 2014, 02:41:44 pm »

Karma is a slippery slope... pretty soon we are going to be posting cat videos.

I was not particularly interested in a karma system, and will be keeping an eye on it. If it's causing more grief than it's giving benefit, it'll get yanked.

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« Reply #104 on: January 27, 2014, 02:43:31 pm »
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« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2014, 04:09:26 pm »
Karma is a slippery slope... pretty soon we are going to be posting cat videos.

I was not particularly interested in a karma system, and will be keeping an eye on it. If it's causing more grief than it's giving benefit, it'll get yanked.

Can it be linked to individual posts as a 'like' button? I don't see the point of general e-peen enhancers.

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« Reply #106 on: January 27, 2014, 04:43:12 pm »
Karma is a slippery slope... pretty soon we are going to be posting cat videos.

I was not particularly interested in a karma system, and will be keeping an eye on it. If it's causing more grief than it's giving benefit, it'll get yanked.

Can it be linked to individual posts as a 'like' button? I don't see the point of general e-peen enhancers.

I can't wait to have someone quote my thread, so:

On another forum I frequent, there is an option to like a particular post.  Each post I make has a record of likes received and the total is presented on my profile page.
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« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2014, 10:10:48 pm »
This is why we can't have nice things.  :lol   :badmood:   :banghead:

First Lilshawn's rep gets hacked from 0 to -1 after his kitten videos comment, now PBJ and Le Chuck are in the -1000 range.

Unless and until the security holes are plugged and everything is set back to zero, Reputation is worse than worthless.   :soapbox:


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« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2014, 10:27:02 pm »
Either this place has screen door security, I'm amazingly unpopular, and/or Saint's mods are off the reservation. 

Not really an either or situation. It could be all three  :lol

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« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2014, 10:30:06 pm »
The downvotes will continue until morale improves!

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This is why we can't have nice things.  :lol   :badmood:   :banghead:

First Lilshawn's rep gets hacked from 0 to -1 after his kitten videos comment, now PBJ and Le Chuck are in the -1000 range.

Unless and until the security holes are plugged and everything is set back to zero, Reputation is worse than worthless.   :soapbox:


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This is why we can't have nice things.  :lol   :badmood:   :banghead:

First Lilshawn's rep gets hacked from 0 to -1 after his kitten videos comment, now PBJ and Le Chuck are in the -1000 range.

Unless and until the security holes are plugged and everything is set back to zero, Reputation is worse than worthless.   :soapbox:


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That was me sticking a knife in le chuck's ribs :)

I'm going to take the rep system back out.

It's your world boss. We're just peons as you teach your lessons magnanimously.

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Good saint: imma give you rep but imma gunna make sure there is no funny business

Bad saint: imma cause all kindsa funny business.

Noticed other users have been dropped down to -1000 too, namely PBJ.  Interesting. Very interesting.
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« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2014, 11:28:03 pm »

Good saint: imma give you rep but imma gunna make sure there is no funny business

Bad saint: imma cause all kindsa funny business.


so, it's exactly like god then... I'm going to give you free will buuuuuuttt....anything you do will cause you to go to hell.

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« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2014, 11:42:20 pm »
That was me sticking a knife in le chuck's ribs :)

Since it's confession time on downvotes, I'm the one that did the downvote testing on the "imatest" account.   >:D

Once Le Chuck and PBJ were dropped back to -1000, I also tried to hack/restore their rep, but was only able to change them by -1, followed by an upvote to neutralize the attempted hack.

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« Reply #114 on: January 31, 2014, 12:02:47 am »
That was me sticking a knife in le chuck's ribs :)

Since it's confession time on downvotes, I'm the one that did the downvote testing on the "imatest" account.   >:D

Once Le Chuck and PBJ were dropped back to -1000, I also tried to hack/restore their rep, but was only able to change them by -1, followed by an upvote to neutralize the attempted hack.

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  We've suspected it for years.

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« Reply #115 on: January 31, 2014, 12:02:56 am »
such as reddit, i take my downvotes like a man. Only cowards delete their post at the first sign of negative karma.

My "inciteful comment" badge is a testament to that mantra. 


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« Reply #116 on: January 31, 2014, 12:07:31 am »
Preach it, brother Clark.

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« Reply #117 on: January 31, 2014, 01:20:37 am »
I wanna be -1000 tooo  :hissy:  :'(

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« Reply #118 on: January 31, 2014, 02:52:23 am »
That's nice of you to admit to being forum garbage.

So . . . your perspective is that the guy who,
1. Did some research and provided links on how to disable down-votes (including a recommended security patch) to make this rep system test easier for Saint
2. Took the time to test a well-known, easily-exploited security flaw on a test account
3. Tried to restore the Reputation of several obviously-hacked members by testing to see if it was caused (and could be reversed) by the same well-known flaw
. . . is "forum garbage"?   :dizzy:   :banghead:   :dizzy:

I somewhat agree -- I feel like I've been swimming in a septic tank for Up-voting you after unsuccessfully trying to restore your Reputation score.   :P
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« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2014, 03:41:18 am »
That's nice of you to admit to being forum garbage.
I somewhat agree -- I feel like I've been swimming in a septic tank for Up-voting you after unsuccessfully trying to restore your Reputation score.   :P
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« Reply #120 on: January 31, 2014, 06:01:59 am »
Saint gives us a system that is nothing like several of us suggested, then uses his (g)modlike powers to game the system when he had clearly stated that gaming the system was a concern, then doesn't clearly explain why he did it, promises to change everything, and disappears without changing anything.

Yep, it's just like god.   >:D  ;D

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« Reply #121 on: January 31, 2014, 07:12:38 am »
Saint gives us a system that is nothing like several of us suggested, then uses his (g)modlike powers to game the system when he had clearly stated that gaming the system was a concern, then doesn't clearly explain why he did it, promises to change everything, and disappears without changing anything.

Yep, it's just like god.   >:D  ;D

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« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2014, 07:13:39 am »
That was me sticking a knife in le chuck's ribs :)

I'm going to take the rep system back out.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #123 on: January 31, 2014, 07:37:20 am »
too many ---uvulas--- (including me) on here to have a rep system. It becomes an epeen contest for some reason. I feel like a dick because I was going around upvoting people for giving constructive criticism , good technical advice, etc when I guess I was just supposed to be randomly upping people and finding ways to downvote others.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #124 on: January 31, 2014, 07:45:31 am »
too many ---uvulas--- (including me) on here to have a rep system. It becomes an epeen contest for some reason. I feel like a dick because I was going around upvoting people for giving constructive criticism , good technical advice, etc when I guess I was just supposed to be randomly upping people and finding ways to downvote others.

How many days did we have the toy for?  When it's new and shiny it's going to get played with, once that passes it settles into a useful too.  What was the damage?  A few extra rep here and there? 

Here's a new idea:

Under the avatar list the number of post likes a person has and their number of followers.  Between those two numbers I think it could be useful.  People see Ond or Pixel poking around and notice they have a few thousand followers it's gets a message across that they're doing some cool stuff.  People see PL1 with a few thousand post likes and they know he puts out good poop.  Likes linked to posts, followers linked to users.  No dislike, no DO NOT FOLLOW, keep it positive. 

Sure I'll follow my friends and like good posts, that's the idea - that way it creates a useful web of information. 

Oh and for chrissakes somebody rein in that persnickity forum admin/siteowner/sasquatch

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2014, 07:54:01 am »


How many days did we have the toy for?  When it's new and shiny it's going to get played with, once that passes it settles into a useful too.  What was the damage?  A few extra rep here and there? 

Here's a new idea:

Under the avatar list the number of post likes a person has and their number of followers.  Between those two numbers I think it could be useful.  People see Ond or Pixel poking around and notice they have a few thousand followers it's gets a message across that they're doing some cool stuff.  People see PL1 with a few thousand post likes and they know he puts out good poop.  Likes linked to posts, followers linked to users.  No dislike, no DO NOT FOLLOW, keep it positive. 

Sure I'll follow my friends and like good posts, that's the idea - that way it creates a useful web of information.
wishful thinking. there aren't a few thousand active people, and sounds like a lot of work and we know how the administration feels about work :)  :cheers:

The core issue is, the rep is supposed to be some sort of beacon of who is worth listening to. If you're on the boards for more than a week you sort of figure that out on your own. If its not supposed to shine the light on the good apples then it does only serve as some sort of epeen thing, not an epee  that's a sword. Id rather them make a separate BST section for vendors (even a sub forum under the BST section). Its a pain in the dickhole to scroll down 2 pages to get to the new posts after all the damn stickies, that or trim the ---fudgesicle--- out of the stickies.

When it comes down to it, I don't have a dog in this fight. I am a somewhat helpful fellah who is also a part time ---uvula---, not a great apple, but certainly not a terrible one.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #126 on: January 31, 2014, 09:09:53 am »
That's nice of you to admit to being forum garbage.
I somewhat agree -- I feel like I've been swimming in a septic tank for Up-voting you after unsuccessfully trying to restore your Reputation score.   :P
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #127 on: January 31, 2014, 02:23:17 pm »
too many ---uvulas--- (including me) on here to have a rep system. It becomes an epeen contest for some reason. I feel like a dick because I was going around upvoting people for giving constructive criticism , good technical advice, etc when I guess I was just supposed to be randomly upping people and finding ways to downvote others.

How many days did we have the toy for?  When it's new and shiny it's going to get played with, once that passes it settles into a useful too.  What was the damage?  A few extra rep here and there? 

Here's a new idea:

Under the avatar list the number of post likes a person has and their number of followers.  Between those two numbers I think it could be useful.  People see Ond or Pixel poking around and notice they have a few thousand followers it's gets a message across that they're doing some cool stuff.  People see PL1 with a few thousand post likes and they know he puts out good poop.  Likes linked to posts, followers linked to users.  No dislike, no DO NOT FOLLOW, keep it positive. 

Sure I'll follow my friends and like good posts, that's the idea - that way it creates a useful web of information. 

Oh and for chrissakes somebody rein in that persnickity forum admin/siteowner/sasquatch

Oh God.  First ebay switches to the twitter/facebook jargon and now it's coming to BYOAC?
I didn't come here to "follow" anyone, or have them get annoyed that they "followed" me, but I didn't "follow" them back.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #128 on: January 31, 2014, 02:46:52 pm »
Yeah, I don't think we need "followers".

Being able to give a post some karma/rep/like would be good enough for me.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #129 on: January 31, 2014, 03:04:31 pm »
If everyone is getting all namby pamby about a made up number, maybe there is a way to break down the meaning so it isn't interpreted as a popularity contest. Do something like a vote count for "Helpful Post" and another for "Funny Post" and give all you brownie scouts nice little badges when you hit certain vote counts.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #130 on: January 31, 2014, 03:13:07 pm »
Can I get little skulls or voodoo masks instead of purple stars? 

I'd like my followers to be legit "Kali-mah shooktidai" temple of doom style followers also. 

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2014, 04:01:43 am »
Can I get little skulls or voodoo masks instead of purple stars? 

I'd like my followers to be legit "Kali-mah shooktidai" temple of doom style followers also. 

We need more forum themes!

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2014, 11:56:01 am »
Can I get little skulls or voodoo masks instead of purple stars? 

I'd like my followers to be legit "Kali-mah shooktidai" temple of doom style followers also. 

We need more forum themes!

It would look like this:

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We need more emotion-icons too.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #134 on: February 13, 2014, 05:19:35 pm »
I liked the reputation idea about as much as I liked conga lines.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2014, 05:27:49 pm »
I liked the reputation idea about as much as I liked conga lines.

I'm sorry for your loss.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #136 on: February 13, 2014, 05:53:28 pm »
I liked the reputation idea about as much as I liked conga lines.
Is that when everyone quotes the same thread?

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #137 on: February 13, 2014, 11:05:50 pm »
Conga lines... man, I probably shouldn't admit this but I used the Conga Lines forum in a graduate marketing class as an example of online promotions gone exploited. 

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2014, 09:46:33 am »
We had one here for years.  There was a child thread in B/S/T where they were listed.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #139 on: February 06, 2015, 06:22:49 pm »
So saint, have we grown enough as an organization to try rep again or are you still incapable of controlling yourself ::)

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2015, 12:46:31 pm »
I think we need to give it a shot, at least long enough for the "oh look! New and shiny!" phase to wear off. It could help keep threads more informative by keeping down the number of "+1" and "hey that's cool" posts in a thread. But yeah, it's definitely a zoo when it's first available. And just to echo my previous comments... Positive is noting without negative, this isn't peewee flag football, we're adults here and can manage without participation ribbons and orange slices.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2015, 01:04:36 pm »
I'm 100% sure Karma won't make a comeback.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2015, 06:44:19 pm »

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #143 on: February 10, 2015, 04:44:44 pm »
The rep system was a bit of fun, something different, pity it was dumped so quickly, must have upset some people.  Maybe some here just take things too seriously.  Seriously.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #144 on: February 10, 2015, 06:57:14 pm »
it started out okay...

then saint went a little crazy and gave some people -1000 karma and others +1000 and then it turned into a pissing contest...then someone had 9001 and then it was over.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #145 on: February 10, 2015, 07:02:35 pm »
Saint showed up long enough to change a diaper and left.  Did he so much as wipe his feet in this thread?  Prolly not. 

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #146 on: February 10, 2015, 10:36:49 pm »
I read every word :P I'm lurking to see what people want but unless there's an overwhelming demand for karma it's not likely to be coming back.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #147 on: February 10, 2015, 10:42:46 pm »
Tapatalk baby!   :afro:

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #148 on: February 10, 2015, 10:52:51 pm »
Well come'on you animals!  You heard the man,  let's make some noise!





















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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #149 on: February 10, 2015, 10:53:16 pm »

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #150 on: February 10, 2015, 11:04:05 pm »
I'd rather Tapa talk work than revisit rep.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #151 on: February 10, 2015, 11:34:07 pm »
I'd rather Tapa talk work than revisit rep.

Word.

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« Reply #152 on: February 10, 2015, 11:53:48 pm »
*yawn*

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #153 on: February 11, 2015, 02:00:15 am »
Saint showed up long enough to change a diaper and left.  Did he so much as wipe his feet in this thread?  Prolly not. 

Clarence Carter Clarence Carter Clarence Carter Clarence Carter, stroke it Clarence but don't stroke so fast. 

Stroke it to the North, Stroke it to the South.   
   Let me see if Im getting this right.... You dredge up a year old thread, start playing with yourself, and then want some kind of facebook thumbs up prize? :dunno

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #154 on: February 11, 2015, 07:20:51 am »
Saint showed up long enough to change a diaper and left.  Did he so much as wipe his feet in this thread?  Prolly not. 

Clarence Carter Clarence Carter Clarence Carter Clarence Carter, stroke it Clarence but don't stroke so fast. 

Stroke it to the North, Stroke it to the South.   
   Let me see if Im getting this right.... You dredge up a year old thread, start playing with yourself, and then want some kind of facebook thumbs up prize? :dunno
While it's very nice of you to imagine me with steaming hot ropes of the unspeakable frothing forth from my loins in an auto-erotic crescendo, no that isn't actually the case.  Firstly Mr. Carter's delightful tune which I had stuck in my head is not about loving one's self so much as loving others.  Thirdly, I have no second point. 

I'd rather Tapa talk work than revisit rep.

Word.
The chances of that happening are even less than rep being brought back, tho admittedly of much greater use to the community. 

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« Reply #155 on: February 11, 2015, 07:48:53 am »
Tapatalk should be working now. Please test.
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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #156 on: February 11, 2015, 07:52:44 am »
Now rep... Just so chuck's not wrong.

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #157 on: February 11, 2015, 08:01:18 am »
I'm typing from tapa talk gn4

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #158 on: February 11, 2015, 08:23:06 am »
Rep for vindic8r and Hoopz for suggesting some fixes for Tapatalk.  Oh and Saint too.


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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #159 on: July 23, 2015, 11:55:57 pm »
Yes. Yes, it does.

Let's not wait another 2 years...

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Re: BYOAC Needs a Karma/Rep System
« Reply #160 on: June 01, 2017, 08:57:44 am »
too many ---uvulas--- (including me) on here to have a rep system.

Ok, Malenko's gone and there are now fewer ---uvulas--- around. How 'bout that rep system?!
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« Reply #161 on: June 01, 2017, 09:01:44 am »
Yes. Yes, it does.

Let's not wait another 2 years...

So much for that idea...
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« Reply #162 on: June 01, 2017, 09:16:59 am »
imaginary rep for you sir.

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« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2017, 02:11:24 pm »
imaginary upvote


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« Reply #164 on: July 28, 2017, 08:36:56 am »
too many ---uvulas--- (including me) on here to have a rep system.

Ok, Malenko's gone and there are now fewer ---uvulas--- around. How 'bout that rep system?!

He was gonna do it then I came back.

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