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Le Chuck:
About the audio, Ond offered insightful examples, Howard naysay'd without backing up his rebuttal with any sort legitimate argument. Poor debating skills Howard. Ten points to Hufflepuff.
shponglefan:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 31, 2013, 07:45:10 pm ---Same goes with star wars nerds, the fans are fanatics.... it's right there in the term. Just go with the regular blu-rays. Yeah the new vader at the end of empire is lame, but the rest is ok.
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Nah, all the CG crap from the special editions stands out as a sore thumb. Why they couldn't just release the original trilogy, digitally remastered & cleaned up but otherwise unmolested I can't figure out (well other than Lucas being a control freak).
Even THX 1138 has the same issue. And I had never seen the film when younger, so I watched the DVD I was surprised to see blatant CG imagery added. It's distracting when you're watching a film made in the 70's and then notice effects that postdate it by 30-odd years.
Vigo:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 31, 2013, 07:45:10 pm ---Vigo: I don't know about the Harmy edition, but the source material was transferred over from the original negatives and converted to pure digital years ago. They did this so that they could show the films on digital projectors for subsequent releases. I suppose it's possible that the blurays could use 720p source material, but the fact that there is a pure digital copy 20x that resolution sitting on a shelf somewhere make me doubt it. It's like the old X-files poster... I think SW fans want to believe that these de-specialized editions are better.
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Well, I know Harmy's edition cobbled together a bunch of sources, and his newest revision used the blu ray as source material for what it could. I think for consistency merging various film sources, it wall all kept 720. I can't say how it looks from personal experience, but I am cautiously optimistic because I haven't heard a bad thing about it from people who watched it. Here is a compare Harmy put up to demo the difference. I can see a very slight degradation of quality in his version, but I really don't know if it would be noticeable at all when in motion. I'd be willing to put up with that slight of degradation simply to get rid of the SE garbage. That stuff just feels like a bad photoshop job and ruins the whole feel of the movie.
Vigo:
OK, I got a copy of Harmys despecialized, but I believe it is only version 1.0. I did a quick compare of the quality. It is clearly better detail on the Blu Ray than on Harmys. The color tone on Harmys seems to be better though, the blu ray looks a bit dull.
It wasn't until his 2.0 that blu ray footage was used, and there was a 2.1 version made with more even more improvements. I will be hunting down a copy of 2.1 to do a better compare. I think Harmys of Empire and Jedi are not on blu ray at all right now, so expect them to have the quality level of the picture I posted below.
DaveMMR:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 31, 2013, 07:45:10 pm ---There's no sense polluting the thread with this kind of thing, but the "audiophile" typically translates to "hipster" and like with all things, they don't know what they are talking about.
Vinyl sounds different from cds that is to be sure, but if you want to hear what the artist intended, you should go with a cd.
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Sorry, I have to pollute the thread further. Saying a CD is 'how the artist intended' is completely ignoring the whole 'loudness war' debacle that's been ruining CD's by completely eliminating the range of sound. Ond explained it with the "In the Air Tonight". Quiet parts are made louder, and loud parts are muted to avoid clipping. Essentially, the record labels take away any volume control the listener might have had and discard any 'kick.'
Also, there's a difference between 'audiophile' and 'hipster.' An Audiophile will spend quite literally a fortune on turntables, styli, storage, mylar bags, cleaners, speakers, etc. to get the absolute best possible sound out of their records. They don't really do it to impress anyone else but their ears. Hipsters will have a stack of records, store them improperly, play them on a cheap turntable, or better yet, some 1980's Fisher-Price model they found at a yard sale. They'll listen to the violent crackling of a very dirty, dusty record with a crappy needle and say to themselves, "oh how delightfully natural."
(Disclosure: I, like some of my friend, fall between the two extremes. We didn't spend a fortune on equipment but we do pay mind to take care of our collections.)
I'll give you that CD's play flawlessly more often than vinyl. And you may even like the sound of ones and zeros over natural sound, which is fine. But to call people who notice the difference full of crap (paraphrasing) is pretty much highlighting your lack of knowledge on the topic.
Now I'm going to go back and watch my copy of Return of the Jedi on VHS on my 1970's-era tube TV.
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