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EssexMame:
Thanks all - it seems Logitech is the choice. I might even get the MOMO initially from a mate as it'll be something cheap to use for now and will give an idea of the pitfalls and can be used on my PS3 once/if I get the G27.
Why does the shifter need to return to center? Is it not up for HI and down for LO on most games like Out Run? Or will it leave the button ON and therefore not working as its a single button on the keyboard for SHIFTER isn't it?
For the 360 degree games, I've got a lot of information from your thread BadMouth, however I don't (yet) understand it all. Can a 270 degree wheel never be used for 360 degree games? If so what's the best wheel to get so I can play 360 degree and 270 degree? Games I want are Out Run, Champ/Super Sprint/ Ivan Stewarts, Pole Position but there are plenty others like Hard Drivin, Continental Circus, Super Monaco GP, Spy Hunter, APB, Chase HQ and others that I'd love to have all working as well as later PC games like Dirt 3 and I expect many more.
I know this is a lot of work but is it possible with one wheel/shifter (6 speed and up/down) /pedal (2 or 3) setup? I assume you have it, or is it all swappable panels?
Initially I will have a simple upright panel but would like to have a wheel to use with it in some form. Later, I will aim towards a sitdown/seat driving cab (and flight stick) but I know it'll be a lot of work and I'm not making fast progress with the simple one :-) On top of that I loved Super Hang On, Enduro Racer and Paperboy but I can't build a bike cabinet too! Paperboy is fine on joystick at least...
BadMouth:
--- Quote from: EssexMame on May 09, 2013, 05:00:40 am ---Why does the shifter need to return to center? Is it not up for HI and down for LO on most games like Out Run? Or will it leave the button ON and therefore not working as its a single button on the keyboard for SHIFTER isn't it?
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It doesn't. Maybe I misinterpreted something in your earlier post. I thought you wanted it to like the G25 does.
I have a 4 speed H shifter on my cab and use first and second gear for low and high.
The author of Racermame has a utility that will make paddles or a sequential shifter work for most things.
It's linked in the driving cab info thread.
--- Quote from: EssexMame on May 09, 2013, 05:00:40 am ---Can a 270 degree wheel never be used for 360 degree games? If so what's the best wheel to get so I can play 360 degree and 270 degree?
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It will work on most games(not pole position), just not very well. I've never been able to dial in the analog control settings in MAME to get the games to what I consider acceptable. As a result, the games are frustrating to play and I always crash and burn because of poor control.
To my knowledge there is no commercially available 360 degree wheel, unless you count the groovygamegear and ultimarc spinners with the steering wheel attachment. That is probably the most common route, followed by getting a used arcade wheel including its encoder and wiring it to an Opti-Pac or Opti-Wiz.
You can use a 360 degree wheel on 270 degree wheel games, but it involves some complicated software workarounds and won't work on all PC games.
If you want to play the 360 degree wheel games, I'd just plan on having a separate wheel for them.
There is a spreadsheet linked in the driving cab info thread that tells you whether a game had a 270 degree wheel (pot) or 360 degree wheel (360).
Fursphere:
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--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 08, 2013, 01:44:30 pm ---Btw on the optical wheel route, I was thinking of converting my wheel to be detachable and putting a shaft for an optical wheel just below my regular one. I actually think you can get the parts to build one from lowes, so if I ever get time I'll throw you guys a tutorial.
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The new dashboard for my cab (that was 95% finished, but not installed in the cab) uses a steering wheel quick release for this purpose.
I have most of the parts(and not much of a plan), just haven't gotten around to it.
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Pics!!
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2nd video in this post: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,105003.msg1218793.html#msg1218793
Steering wheel detaches at 1:35
I picked up some new parts for the 360 degree wheel last week and have been collecting parts to build the same dash for my second cab.
Two other projects to finish first though.
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Ahh, I thought you were swapping out the entire control panel.
That really is my only compliant about the G27 - the damn cables and their stupid mounting point. Why put them UNDERNEATH the damn controller so you have to unclamp (unbolt) the wheel to unplug the shifter, pedals, and AC power supply? Makes no sense to me. Sure, it looks "cleaner" - but totally not functional.
I wanted to build a 2nd control panel for my cabinet (360 wheel), but wiring of the G27 pretty much kills that idea.
EssexMame:
Is a pot wheel always a 270 degree wheel then? i.e. Any listed as pot will work on a 270 wheel and I can get a spinner (or 2) for the 360 degree games like Pole Position and indeed Ivan Stewarts though this one (and others) will work "ok" with the 270 degree wheel?
So, in summary if I got a 270 degree wheel (Logitech MOMO or G25/27). BTW, the last 2 of these are listed as 900 degrees (2 1/2 turns) so would this not work as a 360 degree wheel for pole position to some degree? At least as long as you didn't let it recenter on crashing!
On spinners, I have a mini-pac which will connect to the Ultimarc spinner. However, the groovygamegear has a 7" wheel attachment (only 6" for ultimarc) but will it connect to the minipac in the same easy way the ultimarc one is supposed to?
BadMouth:
--- Quote from: EssexMame on May 10, 2013, 07:05:39 am ---Is a pot wheel always a 270 degree wheel then? i.e. Any listed as pot will work on a 270 wheel and I can get a spinner (or 2) for the 360 degree games
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98% of them that say pot are 270 degree. If you want to get real technical, a few may have been slightly more or less, but it won't make any noticeable difference. The only real outliers are Hard Drivin' & Race Drivin' which used a 10 turn pot. If I remember correctly, the wheel was limited to 7.5 turns.
--- Quote from: EssexMame on May 10, 2013, 07:05:39 am ---So, in summary if I got a 270 degree wheel (Logitech MOMO or G25/27). BTW, the last 2 of these are listed as 900 degrees (2 1/2 turns) so would this not work as a 360 degree wheel for pole position to some degree? At least as long as you didn't let it recenter on crashing!
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The G27 allows you to set the amount of rotation to anything you'd like as long as it's less than 900 degrees. This can be done on a per emulator or per game basis in the Profiler software I mentioned earlier. So you could have it automatically limited to 270 degrees when it detects MAME is running and 900 degrees when a PC game is running.
When it comes to Pole Position, 900 degrees still isn't endless spinning like the original was. It will work better than a wheel limited to less rotation, but it's still limited. If you keep crashing with the wheel turned the same direction, you'll run out of rotation. I tried it and wasn't happy, but that doesn't mean you can't give it a shot.
--- Quote from: EssexMame on May 10, 2013, 07:05:39 am ---On spinners, I have a mini-pac which will connect to the Ultimarc spinner. However, the groovygamegear has a 7" wheel attachment (only 6" for ultimarc) but will it connect to the minipac in the same easy way the ultimarc one is supposed to?
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I'm not familiar with the minipac. If you're buying a spinner for this purpose, the one from groovygamegear comes with the interface and you only save $7 by ordering it without the interface. If you already have the Ultimarc spinner, I'd just go with the wheel meant for it, even if it is smaller.
If you can pick up an old working 360 degree wheel control panel for cheap, the Opti-Wiz interface is only $15.
I just picked up one from the game badlands off ebay for $1 + $11 shipping.
I'd recommend going ahead and getting the G27 and trying to set up all the games you want to play with it regardless of whether they are 360 degree or not.
I haven't tried all of them. The ones that don't reset the steering like Pole Position might not be too bad. It might play well enough for your tastes.
Maybe someone will come along and patch the pole position driver to work better with 270 degree wheels.
The author of RacerMAME has it listed as one of the supported games. Not sure if he's done anything with the steering or just fixed the shifter.
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