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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #560 on: April 04, 2018, 02:25:14 am »
going to have to either describe this distortion or upload a video to youtube of what it sounds like.

"distortion" can be caused by anything from dirty power to aliens.

IF I had to hazard a guess, something might be amiss in the crossover if it's just 1 speaker doing it and swapping the jukes left and right speaker lead makes the issue stay the same.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #561 on: April 04, 2018, 08:41:51 am »
Hello Tom,

I would put all the old speakers back into the jukebox, they were designed to be in there and are correct for the cross over units and ouyput package.

The issue is more than likely with your amplifier, the standard amplifier should be the 130 watt part number 6-09931-01 (the -01 revision number can be higher).

You need to send it to a Rowe Ami specalist who will have a dual beamed ociliscope and a signal generator to check this out.

If you are in the USA then your best option is AB leisure or myself in the UK.

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« Reply #562 on: April 04, 2018, 04:24:30 pm »
Is there any kind of troubleshooting I can do on my own to identify the likely culprit (pre amp, driver board, etc) before sending the whole amp in?

I know there are 2 driver boards-- are they interchangeable? In other words: if removed a driver board off, put it on the opposite side, and ended up with distortion on the right speaker instead, would that deduce me needing a new driver board?


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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #563 on: April 05, 2018, 07:40:10 am »
Good afternoon,

I am looking discution about WRD wallbox and I saw that some of you are specialist on it
I bought 3 wrd wallbox and I have also a R 85 jukebox

So I would like to connect my wallboxes to my jukebox so do you know wich interface I need to buy please, in order to connect it (and if you have some pictures or details of connection to help me to understand)

Thank you for your support, I appreciate the different answers in the blog

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #564 on: April 05, 2018, 04:30:43 pm »
The WRD wallbox works right out of the box with the R-80, R-81, R-82 and R-83),

With the R-84 and up models, the wallbox does not connect directly. You had to use an "interface box" part # 2-66965-01. (original manual part number) I'm not sure if there is a more recent part number or a modern backwards compatible unit with a different number.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #565 on: April 06, 2018, 06:13:49 am »
The 4-06372-03 Wallbox interface should be suitable, you will also need a wallbox transformer, the Rowe Ami original transformers powered up to 4 wallboxes.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #566 on: April 06, 2018, 07:02:22 am »
Thank you for you answer

If I well understood, I need the wall box interface 4 06372 03 for 1 Wallbox to 4  and if I want to put more than 4 wallboxes, I need the  original transormers
For the connection of 3 wall box, as there is one 1 wire with 8 connection, I need to put a "divider" in order to put the 3 wallboxes ?
Is there somedy has picture of complete installation please ?

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #567 on: April 06, 2018, 09:56:36 am »
Hello Chris,

With regards to the transformers you can only wire up to 4 wallboxes on each transformer, on installations using several wallboxes they would use a number of transformer to power up the 28 volts AC to supply the wallboxes with power, the clock and data lines from the wallboxes go direct to the interface, it can be prudent to put inline fuses (500 ma) on each of the clock & data lines incase anyone cuts the cables going to the wallboxes onsite, these help protect the wallboxes and the interface.

Run induvidual cables to each wallbox, do not daisy chain them.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #568 on: April 06, 2018, 05:08:21 pm »
Hello

Thank you for your answer
Do you have a manual of the wallbox  WRD or other in order to help me
Thank you very much

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #569 on: April 08, 2018, 03:14:40 pm »
Hello Alan,

My name is Wieger from the Netherlands and since a few months I am the proud owner of a Rowe R85 Starlight. This very nice jukebox is working great, but I have a small problem with the sound I hope you know the answer to. When I play a record, as soon as the needle hits the record some crackling and murmur (is this the correct English word for it? I used Google translate :D ) sounds are noticable. It doesn't overpower loud pieces of music, but is very noticable on quiet pieces of the record. When I turn the volume all the way down I obviously don't hear music but the crackling and murmur is still there, at the same loudness as before. Changing volume doesn't change the volume of the crackling. After a while playing multiple records the crackling looks to become a bit less, but it never seems to go away completely.

Do you have any idea what could cause this?

Thanks,
Wieger

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #570 on: April 09, 2018, 02:01:41 am »
Hi Alan,

I got myself a R-82 Black magic, it is working great except for a buzzing power supply, that can be fixed..:)

I have a question: When looking down at the power supply, a bit more to the back there is an opening that looks like a place for a ventilator.. Should there be any? I could make a photo if that helps ..

Thanks in advance..

 

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #571 on: April 09, 2018, 07:20:12 am »
Hello Ron,

Yes lets have some pictures.

If the power supply transformer is buzzing, slacken the four nuts that hold it to the power supply chassis and and tighten the screws that go through the transformer irons to make sure they are tight. re tighten the nuts that hold it to the chassis and retest, if it is still noisy then you will need to replace the transformer/power supply that may have a fault on the windings.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #572 on: April 09, 2018, 02:06:16 pm »
Hi Alan,

Thanks for your quick response..:)

Hello Ron,

Yes lets have some pictures.

The photo (turned sideways)...
On the right the hole in the bottom panel of the jukebox as I mentioned..



It looks like a hole protecting a ventilator or something..
 

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #573 on: April 10, 2018, 09:18:39 am »
Hello Ron,

That vent goes right through the jukebox base through a tube and it will pull air from below the jukebox and push it out of the vent above the amplifier, this is of course only if you have the amplifier compartment door on that sits infront of the ouput package.

The power supply sits on the front edge of the jukebox under the flourescent tube.

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« Reply #574 on: April 10, 2018, 03:51:04 pm »
Hello Ron,

That vent goes right through the jukebox base through a tube and it will pull air from below the jukebox and push it out of the vent above the amplifier, this is of course only if you have the amplifier compartment door on that sits infront of the ouput package.

The power supply sits on the front edge of the jukebox under the flourescent tube.

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Ah ok, cool.. no vent below there..
Well my first task will be to fix the buzz from the psu..

Thanks for your help so far..:)

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #575 on: April 13, 2018, 04:05:47 pm »
Hello Alan,

My name is Wieger from the Netherlands and since a few months I am the proud owner of a Rowe R85 Starlight. This very nice jukebox is working great, but I have a small problem with the sound I hope you know the answer to. When I play a record, as soon as the needle hits the record some crackling and murmur (is this the correct English word for it? I used Google translate :D ) sounds are noticable. It doesn't overpower loud pieces of music, but is very noticable on quiet pieces of the record. When I turn the volume all the way down I obviously don't hear music but the crackling and murmur is still there, at the same loudness as before. Changing volume doesn't change the volume of the crackling. After a while playing multiple records the crackling looks to become a bit less, but it never seems to go away completely.

Do you have any idea what could cause this?

Thanks,
Wieger

Hi Allen,
Any chance on an answer on my question or is it too much of a noob (which I am) question to answer?  ;D
Wieger

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #576 on: April 17, 2018, 11:17:59 am »
Hallo Wieger,

Wat is de conditie van uw stylus? is de cartridge correct bedraad volgens uw handleiding? heb je een beeld van de aansluitingen van je uitvoerpakket en de kleuren van de aangesloten draden?

De cartridge kan defect zijn, in sommige gevallen kan het binnenste gedeelte van de cartridge losraken van de buitenste plastic schaal. Als dit het geval is, is de naald niet correct aangebracht.

Sorry voor de vertaling

vriendelijke groeten
Alan

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Hello Wieger,

What is the condition of your stylus? is the cartridge wired correctly as per your manual? do you have a picture of your output package connections and the colours of the wires connected to it?

The cartridge could be faulty, in some cases the inner part of the cartridge can become unglued from the outer plastic shell, if this is the case then the stylus is not fitted correctly.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #577 on: April 18, 2018, 05:54:28 am »
Hi Allen,

Thanks for your answer. I do understand English pretty well, just didn't know the word for murmur, so the translate you did wasn't needed, but thanks for the effort !  :applaud:

I only have a fieldservice manual and that doesn't seem to have a picture on how the wiring of the cartridge should be. I included a picture of my tonearm and hope you can make out how it should be.



My stylus looks to me pretty flat. I don't know if that is how it's supposed to be or not, but old turntables I used to have seemed to have more of a hook on the styles and this one of the Rowe is much flatter. I also included a close up of the styles in hopes you can make out if that is normal or not.



Thanks,
Wieger


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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #578 on: April 21, 2018, 02:23:48 pm »
Hello Ron

I saw the picture of your jukebox and I need you help about it
Is it possible to have more picture inside please

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #579 on: April 23, 2018, 05:50:25 am »
Hello Wieger,

That end of the tone am cartridge wiring is correct, on the four pin connection on the side of the mechanism, there is usually a small label showing you the connection colours and location.

The three pin phono connection to the four pin plug is that red & green go to two outer connections of the 3 pin plug and black & white go to the center pin ofthe 3 pin plug, these are screened connections.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #580 on: May 03, 2018, 09:55:06 pm »
Hi Alan,

A couple months ago I picked up a Rowe RI-1G.  First thing I did was purchase a service manual, and between that and advice I've read here (like cleaning the open relays) I got it working great.  Transfer arm was completely out of synch, couple of bad micro-switches, etc.

Anyway, it worked flawlessly for a few weeks then it developed this strange intermittent problem.  As a record is playing and you put in your next selection, everything works fine but when the buttons unlatch, at the same moment I lose sound in the left speaker.  Or possibly left channel, hard to tell with the center being summed to mono and it being so intermittent.  As in no hiss or anything out of that speaker.  The only way I've been able to "fix" it is to pick up the tonearm and rub the stylus with my thumb.  After a few times, it makes a loud enough "pop" that all of a sudden the speaker comes back to life.  It may work fine through a bunch of selections, then it will do it again.  Every time it is when the buttons unlatch.

It's very bizarre and admittedly I've had no time lately to really start looking into it, but wondered if you've ever heard of something like this before, or maybe where I should start looking.  After all the repairs I've done on this, this one is really a stumper.  Crossover?  Cartridge or stylus?  I'd appreciate any advice you could give.

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #581 on: May 04, 2018, 08:33:00 am »
Hello Eric,

Your issue could be the wires on the back of the valve base connector on the side of the mechanism where the wires from the tone arm connect to this phono input connection, the wires are very fine, also the valve base type plug connections could be dirty, clean the pins with one of those fibre glass pencils (watch repairs use these for cleaning battery connections).

I would remove the rear speaker panel to inspect the bass speaker, I have yet to find one where the foam speaker surround has not rotted, if this is the case then you need to get it repaired. We offer this service from the UK.

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« Reply #582 on: May 04, 2018, 05:37:49 pm »
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the advice, I will look there for starters.  I remember wiggling that connection when I was trying to replicate the problem.  I'll have to look at it closer and give it a good inspection and cleaning then.

As far as the center speaker surround goes, yeah I already took care of that.  I've done quite a few speaker surrounds over the years.  You're right, it was completely rotten.  I knew right away when I got the juke working and it was rattling away in there.

Thanks again,
Eric

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« Reply #583 on: May 10, 2018, 03:55:07 pm »
Hello!

I've recently relocated an inherited Rowe AMI R85 Starburst to a new home.  Luckily, it arrived alive in one piece, and in fully working order.  I've just run into a snag after loading it up and running some test plays.  I'll describe the chain of events in the hopes it may help diagnose the problem.

-Loaded up the batch of records, no snags, service mode magazine rotation working fine.
-Test selection, appropriate record chosen, and playing
-Noticed EQ was off, cancel/cut button pressed to stop 45 to open and adjust EQ
-Opened, adjusted EQ (could've brushed some wires during this process, perhaps a connection was shaken loose)
-Issue begins

Issue: no magazine rotation in service mode (working just fine prior to enacting cut record button / opening and adjusting EQ sliders), no selection number displayed on outer LED display (working just fine prior), when switched to On mode, no full magazine rotation back to 00.

Certainly disheartening after getting it moved across town and finally loaded up!

Still in the middle of aforementioned relocation, so no time to dive deeply into the Service Manual.

Initial queries:  Does the cut record button require a second action to reset the cartridge (i.e. is the cut/cancel button the cause of this issue)?  Is this is a common problem?  Any ideas on the cause without further information beyond what I've mentioned?

Any help / information / suggestions are beyond appreciated.  This Jukebox is an heirloom and a strong sentimental object with regards to my late father who left it to me.  It will mean more than I can explain briefly to get it up and running in my new house!

I can also append photos later of the CCC/Other components for further troubleshooting.  Please let me know what's most important to capture for diagnosing.  Very excited (in a way...) for this opportunity to learn more about the machine.

Thanks!

Iggy

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #584 on: May 11, 2018, 09:26:57 am »
Hello Iggy,

If we had your jukebox in the workshop we would start with the power supply (junction box) and remove the power supply PCB and check it out for dry joints (called cold joints in the USA) if having checked an d reflowed the header connections to the PCB (on this PCB it is usually down to the header pins from the transformer connector. In some instances we have found that there can be metal fatiuge on the spade connectors going to the breakers attached to the chassis.

Moving on check the service switch for the AC & DC voltages, check the same on the Molex plug going into the left hand side of the mechanism.

Regard the pricing board as a gloryfied connection block so check the top and bottom connection headed pins for dry joints, all lines of data go through this board.

Check the CCC and the mechanism for dry joints on the header pins. Do not try soldering any of the componet connections on the board, we find if we have taken in any boards for repairs where this has been done it adds hours of work to rectify any faults.

In the service position if you press the cancel button on the mechanism the basket will scan and you should see the index led flash on every slot and on stopping on slot 99 the home led should be lit, rocking the basket left and right the index led should not be lit, if it does see your manual for the opto switch adjustments.

Please let us know how you get on.

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« Reply #585 on: May 14, 2018, 03:01:13 pm »
I acquired a ami rowe JAL-200. I can get it to power on but that's it.
I'm going crazy with trying to understand the functions and have been reading the manual every day. All coins go right to the cash box area and doesn't select or play anything. If I push the scan button the record carousel will spin but that's it.
I'm trying to diagnose if it's the coin area or the credit area that isn't recognizing credits to play.

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« Reply #586 on: May 21, 2018, 06:29:47 am »
Hi,
Is it possible to use a sony car 10 disc cd changer in an R92 combo that has the sony cdp- c910 10 disc changer?

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« Reply #587 on: May 21, 2018, 06:40:33 am »
Hi again,

Would anyone have an original cd title card from an R92 combo? I am interested to see what they looked like. On the face of it I'd reckon that they were different to the cd juke ones as the title strip holder has the number on the left and not in the box on the top of the card?

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #588 on: June 06, 2018, 04:17:16 pm »
Alan,
(nice name by the way)...

I picked up a non-working Rowe CD-100b with a CDM-3 player last night, and I am trying to get it working.  I don't know the history of the machine, but I suspect it has a non-working cd player.

The first thing I noticed is that there is no RCA cable plug in either the right or left CD inputs of the amp board.  Is this where the CD drive is supposed to plug in?  Where is the audio outs on the CDM-3?

Can I test the amp by simply plugging in an RCA audio source into the CD inputs on the amp board?

Lastly, I did re-initalize the machine, and it will select a CD from input form the keypad.  It places the cd on the cradle, spins up for about 30 seconds, and then removes the CD.  Is this typical of a dying CD player?

If the CD drive is bad, is it worth buying the upgrade kit from Happ?  Or would I be better off going the MP3 replacement route?
Thanks,
--Alan

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #589 on: June 08, 2018, 07:00:31 am »
Alan,
(nice name by the way)...

I picked up a non-working Rowe CD-100b with a CDM-3 player last night, and I am trying to get it working.  I don't know the history of the machine, but I suspect it has a non-working cd player.

The first thing I noticed is that there is no RCA cable plug in either the right or left CD inputs of the amp board.  Is this where the CD drive is supposed to plug in?  Where is the audio outs on the CDM-3?

Can I test the amp by simply plugging in an RCA audio source into the CD inputs on the amp board?

Lastly, I did re-initalize the machine, and it will select a CD from input form the keypad.  It places the cd on the cradle, spins up for about 30 seconds, and then removes the CD.  Is this typical of a dying CD player?

If the CD drive is bad, is it worth buying the upgrade kit from Happ?  Or would I be better off going the MP3 replacement route?
Thanks,
--Alan

Hi Alan,

As you will have seen there are two ribbon cables from the CDM-3 that connect into the Phillips Decoder, the larger of the two is connected the other way round from the power and the smaller plug into the decoder, it does catch people out.

You say you have initalized the machine, a full initalization takes over 40 minutes to complete. If you go into programming you can see what CD's are initalized, if you do not have any listed then there could be an issue with the CDM-3 or the Mechanism Control/Decoder.

Usually the upgrade route is too costly to justify unless you have a lot of money tied into the machine.
To go from a CDM-3, CDM-4 to CDM-12 or CD-PRO the power supply has to be upgraded from the earlier 8 volts DC to 9 volts DC, a different Mechanism Control is used and then a new laser.

On the Philips Decoder CDM-3 are two phono connections there should be a phono cable from the decoder to the amplifer phono input.

Please let us know how you get on.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #590 on: June 08, 2018, 10:56:26 am »
Alan,
Thanks for getting back to me.  I have made some progress with the machine. 
I tested the amplifier with another audio source and discovered that it has issues.  I pulled the amplifier out, and discovered all the 8 amp fuses were blown, and the four main transistors were shorted out from collector to emitter.  I have a couple of matched sets of transistors on order.

As for the CD player, the RCA cable between the decoder and the amplifier was indeed missing.  I replaced it with a patch cable I had on hand.  I have cleaned the laser lens (a q-tip with 90% alcohol on it), and verified the laser is working.  During startup, the laser tries to focus, but the servo never moves.  The driver board under the cd player looks like someone sprayed contact cleaner on it, and one of the corners looks burnt.  The curious part is the burnt corner does not appear to have any components on it.  I reseated all the connectors, and had no change in function.  The machine will still load a CD, try three times to spin it up, and the return it to the rack.

I am leaning towards replacing it with the CDM3 upgrade that Happ sells here.    Have you installed this kit before?  I've read that it may require some soldering to get it to work with my CD100B, but I can do that if necessary.
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #591 on: June 10, 2018, 12:26:13 pm »
Hello
Could you please tell me how to change my AM I Rowe CTI-1 to free play. Thank you

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #592 on: June 11, 2018, 08:23:08 am »
Hello Dabowhunter,

Usually on this era of Rowe Ami free play can be achieved by switching over on of the bonus switches on the keyboard, it usually the left or right switch.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #593 on: June 12, 2018, 08:14:11 am »
Hi Alan

I have recently bought an R90 jukebox which was not working, however I have fixed most of the problems and it is almost all working now. I have two remaining problems, one with the amplifier which is not an original Ami amp, and one with the lamp control.

The amplifier is a UK supplied Rainbow MKIV amp, and it works fine for a while then the sound cuts out, if I switch the juke box off for a few minutes it works again for a while. Strangely when the sound does cut out, if it hold my finger on the bottom pin of the Auxiliary connector the sound comes back. I discovered this whilst wiggling connectors to check for dry joints.

With the lamp control, all of the small lamps work ok when the lamp control switch is set to CONT, if I move the switch to the next position LIGHT all the lights go out and the music is muted, a relay can be heard clicking possibly in the power supply or amplifier.

Any guidance on these issues would be much appreciated.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #594 on: June 12, 2018, 10:42:48 pm »
Hello Dabowhunter,

Usually on this era of Rowe Ami free play can be achieved by switching over on of the bonus switches on the keyboard, it usually the left or right switch.

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Alan,
I am not seeing any switches  around or on  the key board.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #595 on: June 13, 2018, 09:37:07 am »
Hello Alan,

You need to gain access to the keyboard, you will see the bonus switches to the right of the latchbar solenoid.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #596 on: June 17, 2018, 09:06:43 pm »
Hi All,
This morning I replaced the missing title strip fluro tube and starter in my R92. I used a t8 30W tube (apparently tubes are not voltage specific) and a 220/240v starter. It works just fine on the 118v Ballast.
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #597 on: June 21, 2018, 08:52:40 pm »
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My CTI-1 is auto canceling records about 80% of the time. Don't seem to be any pattern to it. Seems to happen to all selections with some less  frequent than others. I did back off the screw on top of the tone arm so it was no where near contacting the plate. I believe that is the system for canceling when there is no record on turn table. The tone arm does sit down on the record and you can even hear a split second of music before it rejects. Is there another possible cause I can check on?  I have made adjustments on where the tone arm sets down via the screw on the back of the tone arm. Also have made adjustments for the reed switch that starts the mechanisms to return record to carousel. The tone arm does not seem to go far enough to trip the reed switch.  Thoughts and advice much appreciated.  Regards, Don


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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #598 on: June 22, 2018, 08:05:36 am »
Hello Don,

Conduct a test by removing one of the wires that go to the cut off switch (reject reed switch) if it does not reject then, you will need a replacement reed switch.

The autocut off screw is designed so it will reject when there is no record present or if the record is badly warped, if you put a record on the turntable there should be about a 25 thou gap (sparkplug size gap) between the plate and the end of the screw.

Also check that the reject button on the back of the jukebox has not been damaged.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #599 on: June 22, 2018, 09:12:27 pm »
Allan,
I will test the reed switch tomorrow. That may explain why I am also having problems with the record not canceling at the end of song. I did notice today that the first several records I selected played fine. Than  the more I played the more frequent records rejected. Can the reed switch work intermittently? Also do you know where I can get one. If possible maybe the whole cutoff board assembly? Thanks!