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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #520 on: August 30, 2017, 10:37:31 am »
Hello,

I have a 1973 AMI/Rowe deauville TI-1. Working just fine until about a month ago. Jukebox didnt play the songs I selected. I would select a song and it would just roll a full cycle and not play anything. Then I would put in a couple more selections and it would play again. Maybe not in the order I selected, but still play them and remember what I had selected previously.

I thought this could be a lubrication issue since it hadnt been oiled in at least 10-15 years. I carefully oiled(sewing machine oil or such and WD-40) a few spots in the machine following the owners manual. After this all noise coming from the machine was a lot smoother, BUT now it plays reeeaally slow. I found a video where a guy explains where you have to clean excess oil and so on, but its still slow. If I carefully adjust the Speed Shift Coil & Idler Wheel Assembly while playing, it will get more speed but wont maintain it. Do I have to replace the speed shift coil? Thank you guys in advance for any help I might get!

Hello saag1,

The only place you should lubricate on a Rowe Ami jukebox of this era is the pivot points of the idler wheel linkage, the turntable shaft and the top and bottom bearing of the turntable motor, the rest is best left dry unless you know what you are doing, the gripper bow should be totally clean & dry with high melting point grease in the trunnion casting sockets (pivot points).

I would remove the turntable and the idler wheel & linkage, strip down and wash in warm soapy water to remove any traces of oil, check the idler wheel for any damage such as dints (these are caused by the wheel being left in contact with the motor shaft for a long time of none use) replace it if this is the case.

WD40 should not come in contact with any jukebox.

I suggest that look at some of my other posts regarding cleaning the following open relays R1 & R5 on the keyboard assembly and S1 & S2 on the search unit, these open & closed contacts need to be cleaned with contact cleaning strips or a paper taper pulled between the contacts.

You will need to check the timing of the jukebox mechanism is correct, turn the mechanism to position A1 using the service switch, now check that the timing mark on the stop plate assembly is showing the 00 mark against the step in the search unit mounting bracket (check the adjustment in your manual).

Please let us know how you get on.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #521 on: August 30, 2017, 10:51:14 am »
thanks very much for your help guys Craig

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #522 on: August 30, 2017, 11:45:56 am »
u beat me to it  ami-man
wd40 is to never be used
and yes your idler picked up oil
dry it out as was explained
+ the motor shaft and under the turntable where the idler makes contact (platter)

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« Reply #523 on: August 30, 2017, 08:29:22 pm »
yeah, WD-40 is a solvent, not really a lubricant. about all it does is attract dirt when used as an oil

WD-40 is good for cleaning parts...then using a proper oil/lubrication

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« Reply #524 on: August 31, 2017, 03:22:50 am »
Thanks guys for all the replys. Clearly an amateur mistake here to use WD40, I just blindly followed "some guy on the internet"s instructions.  :banghead:

I am not super confident I can take out the idler wheel and put it back together, but I'll give it a try. I will let you know in a couple of days. But thanks again so much  :)

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #525 on: August 31, 2017, 10:39:06 am »
the idler and platter are super easy to remove and install
just watch out for washers under/over the idler (and there order) thick to thin

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« Reply #526 on: September 05, 2017, 10:38:54 am »
the idler and platter are super easy to remove and install
just watch out for washers under/over the idler (and there order) thick to thin

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Hi ed12,

Yes both easy to remove.

There should not be any washers on the idler wheel, on the idler wheel linkage there can be washers on the speed shift coil shaft it it is indeed fitted with a speed shift.

The idler wheel and linkage is held in place by circlips.

I had an 1100 mechanism in the workshop last week where it did not have a turntable  (platter) on fitting a replacement it would not sit correctly on checking out the thrust and spacer bearing it was apparant that someone had altered spacer bearing, the result was that the turntable was about 3 mm too high. Spacer bearing replaced sorted out the issue.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #527 on: September 08, 2017, 08:51:24 am »
Hello,

I am on holiday after today until 20th September.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #528 on: October 04, 2017, 01:04:57 pm »
RI-2 - volume issue

Hoping someone out there could point me in the right direction to sort out a volume issue on an RI-2.

The needle drops onto the record, so far so good. Then, after about 5 seconds, the volume drops significantly and you have to turn it almost to max to get it back up to the original level.

This happens each time a new record goes on, I suspect it has something to do with the signal between the tone arm wiring and the amp but I may be wrong.

After looking in the manual, and looking all round the jukebox, I also realised there's no way of opening up the front or back and getting to the speakers to check wiring from the amp - is this usual.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #529 on: October 05, 2017, 05:51:32 am »
Hi all,

I finally have the R92 free playing. Whilst doing that tonight the credit/selection display gradually faded right down then went out completely. The jukebox still selects records ok.
Where do I start looking for this issue?
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Stu
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« Reply #530 on: October 05, 2017, 08:49:09 am »
Hi Stu,

You need to check the connections going to the display board, I am surprised that the jukebox is still selecting.
On the Rowe Ami R-89 to R-94 jukeboxes the display board also controls the selections on the jukebox.

You need to check the display board for dry joints (cold joints USA) for cracking in solder around the pins, I suggest that you also checl out the loom between the display and CCC for poor or dirty connections.

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« Reply #531 on: October 05, 2017, 08:58:04 am »
RI-2 - volume issue

Hoping someone out there could point me in the right direction to sort out a volume issue on an RI-2.

The needle drops onto the record, so far so good. Then, after about 5 seconds, the volume drops significantly and you have to turn it almost to max to get it back up to the original level.

This happens each time a new record goes on, I suspect it has something to do with the signal between the tone arm wiring and the amp but I may be wrong.

After looking in the manual, and looking all round the jukebox, I also realised there's no way of opening up the front or back and getting to the speakers to check wiring from the amp - is this usual.

DAWS

Hi Daws,

What model of amplifier is fitted to your jukebox?

Have you checked the M44 cartridge, it is made up of two parts, a plastic outer case and the metal inner cartridge, theseare only glued together and can become unglued, if this is the case the inner part can be in the wrong position, the stylus may not be fully engaged oor at the wrong angle.

Check the wired from the back of the cartridge to the back of the valve base socket on the side of the mechanism, the wired can come adrift. Check the valve baced plug and clean the pins and make sure the connection is good, you can slay the pins on plug to make it tighter fit.

Check out the amplifier for any dry joints (cold Joints USA) on the connections between the boards.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #532 on: October 05, 2017, 04:05:29 pm »
Hi Stu,

You need to check the connections going to the display board, I am surprised that the jukebox is still selecting.
On the Rowe Ami R-89 to R-94 jukeboxes the display board also controls the selections on the jukebox.

You need to check the display board for dry joints (cold joints USA) for cracking in solder around the pins, I suggest that you also checl out the loom between the display and CCC for poor or dirty connections.

Regards
Alan

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Hi alan,
I too was surprised to see it still selecting. No error codes on the CCC at all. I did stuff up the original post though. The bloody thing is an R92 (no idea why I keep thinking it is an R91!)
I'll disconnect and remove the display today for a clean and inspection. Hopefully it is just a loose connector.
cheers
Stu

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« Reply #533 on: October 06, 2017, 02:39:55 am »
Powered up the juke today and the computer says no.
I have inspected the display boards no obvious dry joints stand out. Looks like I 'll be replacing it (that could be quite a mission here is Aus. It seems easier to find out about the mob then jukeboxes here).
I finally summoned up the courage to remove the mechanism from the cabinet and clean out the dust in there. Upon further inspection of the tone arm cam I have found a small nick worn in the tone arm cam.  I think that is why the tone arm sticks at the start of the record. I am also missing 2 of the 4 rubber blocks that the mechanism springs sit on. The computer and amp both seem to working fine. The speakers foam is getting a bit tired. I reckon I'll concentrate on getting it working correctly then replace speakers, blown bulbs etc after that.
I only paid $50 for the machine, all it has cost me so far is a new stylus (almost as much as the machine).

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« Reply #534 on: October 06, 2017, 06:26:17 am »
Hi Stu,

It may be prudent to contact Erwin Boot at Flamingo Records in Hobart Tasmania, he still does a bit with jukeboxes. We send each other the odd email re parts for Rowe Ami, He may even be a member on here.

We also service customers in Australia & New Zealand with parts/repairs.

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« Reply #535 on: October 06, 2017, 06:54:23 am »
Hi Alan,

It was bothering me all afternoon. So I went out and removed the display and cleaned all the contacts again. Reassembled and it works fine again!
I'll try Erwin for a tonearm cam and the rubber blocks
Thanks for the help

cheers
Stu

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #536 on: October 06, 2017, 10:41:19 am »
Hello,

I have a Rowe AMI R-90. At times when switching from an A-side to a B-side, or vice versa,  the turntable motor will play backwards, causing the needle to bump against the lead groove on the album until the Cancel button pressed.
I have no idea what could be causing this or what the solution might be.  :-[
Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
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Sitting here on the tip of southern Ohio, loving my Rowe R90 Jukebox, my Ural Sidecar Motorcycle  and other fun oddities!

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« Reply #537 on: October 06, 2017, 06:03:27 pm »
Hi again,
After loading the records into the machine I moved the service mode switch back to on (it felt stiff) and now nothing happens the +8v led on the computer is not lit. If i push the switch slider down slightly the led slowly comes on. I think I'll need to replace the service mode switch. Will this problem cause damage to the CCC?

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« Reply #538 on: October 09, 2017, 09:02:22 am »
Hello,

I have a Rowe AMI R-90. At times when switching from an A-side to a B-side, or vice versa,  the turntable motor will play backwards, causing the needle to bump against the lead groove on the album until the Cancel button pressed.
I have no idea what could be causing this or what the solution might be.  :-[
Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
Ohio, USA

Hi Paul,

Well that is a fault I have not come across before, it is common on the CD jukeboxes but not on vinyl, I would check out the Mechanism Control and the turntable motor capacitors for any faults.

Regards
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« Reply #539 on: October 09, 2017, 09:06:29 am »
Hi again,
After loading the records into the machine I moved the service mode switch back to on (it felt stiff) and now nothing happens the +8v led on the computer is not lit. If i push the switch slider down slightly the led slowly comes on. I think I'll need to replace the service mode switch. Will this problem cause damage to the CCC?

cheers
Stu

Hi Stu,

Time to replace the service switch or to take it appart and clean all of the contacts (a pencil rubber is the best tool for cleaning the contacts) if the contacts have lost their silver coating then you will have no option other than replacement.

Regards
Alan

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« Reply #540 on: November 05, 2017, 12:20:09 pm »
Great wealth of information around here.

I have a Rowe Ami MM6 that I've had for several years now.  It works great except for the fact it constantly is one selection off when playing a record.  I've learned to deal with that.

What I would like to know, is how would I go about connecting a wallbox to my MM6?  I would like to connect one, possibly two, in different locations.

What wallbox would be ideal to install, and what additional parts would I need to add to the MM6?

Many thanks,
Chris
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« Reply #541 on: November 06, 2017, 05:17:02 am »
Hello Chris,

Welcome to the forum.

Re your one selection off, you need to check the Stop Plate Assemby (behind the search unit).
Scan around to A1 and check the 200 (it may be marked 00) on the edge of the stop plate assembly is in agline with the step in the seaech unit bracket (check in your manual, this is how to time the mechanism).

With regards to connecting one or more wallboxes, you will require a wallbox transformer to power up the wallboxes (this transformer needs a relay that holds over the AC Control to prevent the selections being made from the jukebox and the wallboxes at the same time. In the UK these made for the job in metal case called a PL10B, We do stock them.

You will also require a stepper.

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« Reply #542 on: November 07, 2017, 11:16:52 pm »
Hi Allen,
I have Rowe amp from a Eagle jukebox which is being repaired by a local tech. He informs me that the diodes on the both 'diode assembly 40862901' under the heat sink are faulty & are all black & burned etc so he can not tell what values they are & the values for the diodes are not list in the manual schematic. I have seached the web & can not find any info, so I'm hoping you can help me.

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« Reply #543 on: November 08, 2017, 06:30:50 am »
Hi Martin,

I am sorry I have worked on an Eagle jukebox, I assume however that the amplifier will be a standard 250 watt amplifier that has two diode packs, for these to burn out the amplifier has suffered a serious fault.

I advise you to take the amplifier to a Rowe Ami specialist, if you are in the USA I suggest Bruce Wentworth at AB Leisure.

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« Reply #544 on: November 08, 2017, 02:19:00 pm »
Hi Allen,
I have Rowe amp from a Eagle jukebox which is being repaired by a local tech. He informs me that the diodes on the both 'diode assembly 40862901' under the heat sink are faulty & are all black & burned etc so he can not tell what values they are & the values for the diodes are not list in the manual schematic. I have seached the web & can not find any info, so I'm hoping you can help me.

Cheers
Martin

these diodes typically do look burned/black. it's just the way they are made.

I find the most common problem with them is a broken lead solder on the board. I've never had one fail and i've had driver boards catch on fire and transistors pop and they are still fine.

i mean unless it's obviously blown out the ass and left a skidmark... i'd say they are most likely fine.

usually it's just transistors that blow unless you have a old revision board, then the drivers catch on fire and burn a trace out.

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« Reply #545 on: Today at 03:33:10 am »
Hope this is the right place to post this. Just recently got a cd100 down to my bar and I'm having problems with the remote volume control. The regular volume control seems to work fine but when I wire the external stereo volume control 30632201 it gets really loud and I don't seem to have control anymore, like it's going to max volume. Am I supposed to unhook the built in volume control or is it possible on of the two potentiometers are bard? I tried testing them with a meter and they seem to change resistance when you turn the knob but I'm a rookie when it comes to electronics. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'd love to have this thing up and running for the weekend.
Thanks,
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« Reply #546 on: Today at 10:54:03 am »
if you install an external volume, you must unhook the one built into the jukebox.

just remove the red/black wires and tuck them out of the way... hook up your external.

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« Reply #547 on: Today at 04:03:40 pm »
Thanks that worked for the volume but the cancel on the remote is not working. I tried disconnecting one then both wires from the built in cancel button but still nothing. Any idea how to troubleshoot?
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