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1500points:
Larry DeMar and Eugene Jarvis confirmed the 4 shots in the design.  You'd about have to be a hardware guy to decide how fast the inputs could be processed because Williams games have a stand-alone interface card that feeds back to the processor board.
RandyT:

--- Quote from: 1500points on February 07, 2013, 08:27:19 am ---Those defender videos were shot when i was using my ASCII playstation stick, not a keyboard. The stick had microswitches, which means you can actually fire faster than leafs if you have the dexterity to do so

However a new homemade panel feels more authentic (accurate button layout and goldleafs). I cannot fire or reverse as quickly on my new controller however it is more authentic, so i am starting to prefer it.

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Microswitches will never fire faster than leaf switches.  The physics, which I can explain in detail, render it an impossibility.  It would probably behoove Mike to try some decent, real leaf switch based buttons.  "Gold Leaf" buttons are not real leaf switch buttons, so if that is what he is basing his conclusion on, it makes sense he would believe this.  He's incorrect, but it makes sense.

I could also sell him a leaf-based, 2-way stick which would make him think he was playing on an actual Defender machine.


--- Quote ---That is Mike’s skill : it’s all about control and firing accurately, rather than hit and hope.

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This is what I was pointing out.  If one is an advanced player, it becomes less important, with the exceptions you mentioned.    The same could be said for pretty much any game, including Asteroids.  But few shoot 1 time when 4 are possible.
jimmer:

--- Quote from: RandyT on February 07, 2013, 01:58:23 pm ---Microswitches will never fire faster than leaf switches.  The physics, which I can explain in detail, render it an impossibility.  It would probably behoove Mike to try some decent, real leaf switch based buttons.  "Gold Leaf" buttons are not real leaf switch buttons, so if that is what he is basing his conclusion on, it makes sense he would believe this.  He's incorrect, but it makes sense.

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Have you seen a dis-assembled Goldleaf?   I haven't but it's easy to design a leaf spring into a 10mm cube. You may not want to call it a real leaf, but it could have the same operational characteristic as your true-leaf design. (you could even make it tweakable with pliers if the lid came off)

edit.
Just tested the goldleaf, and it acts like leaf. It's harder to float than the true-leaf because it's silent.

edit2:
Still yet to see a video of someone floating a button in a real game, the top Defender players all smack 10 bales of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- into the keyboard  ;D


RandyT:

--- Quote from: jimmer on February 07, 2013, 02:35:09 pm ---Have you seen a dis-assembled Goldleaf?   I haven't but it's easy to design a leaf spring into a 10mm cube. You may not want to call it a real leaf, but it could have the same operational characteristic as your true-leaf design. (you could even make it tweakable with pliers if the lid came off)

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Not specifically.  But I have disassembled many like it.  I have a pile of Chinese Sanwa-style switches here which are built the same way.  I've even studied the mechanics of them and figured out how to modify those which are designed to click, and make it so they don't.

If you have ever disassembled a keyboard which has actual switches in them, you've seen something very similar.  They aren't even close to what an arcade leaf switch is, or can do :)
1500points:
How do you take apart a microswitch without destroying it.
Ken House said he makes microswitch joysticks silent for playing on his robotron.
He was going to tell me how to do it, but never got around to it.

I'm extremely curious. the micros I have all seem to be heat pressed plastic?
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