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1500points:

getting this detailed would probably be a fair case for anyone to call us...nerds.  ;)

here is one more leaf spring thing to think about Jim, when you get some leafs...which you will...you are too curious not too.  :)

the proper adjustment of a leaf in the Electro mechanical pinball world (where this all started) causes a proper brushing of the contacts which is a self-cleaning mechanism, too.   if you put a stop in their you are affecting the slide action as they get closer.  obviously arcade controls don't get nearly as dirty as a flipper with juice running through it causing sparks.

jimmer:


--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 08, 2013, 10:58:50 am --- But if you did that, you would create a hard stop. A collision point. 

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The screw adjuster would obviously not be under the contact point.

jimmer:


--- Quote from: 1500points on February 08, 2013, 11:14:49 am ---here is one more leaf spring thing to think about Jim, when you get some leafs...which you will...you are too curious not too.  :)

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I've already got True-leafs, Randy is here becasue I said:


--- Quote from: jimmer on February 05, 2013, 07:59:49 am ---I bought 3 different recommended buttons (Sanwa, Goldleaf, CLASSX trueleaf). And the result so far is that I wouldn't be unhappy with any of them for defender fire button. Whether my opinion will change when I get better at Joust we will see (the way my panel is I can use any of the 3 types for flapping so I can continue to evaluate them) 

On a cost & convenience basis for me in the UK, I would go with Goldleafs(concave) or Sanwa(convex) if starting again.

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Unless you mean original style Leafs, in which case yes I probably will. If I had spotted them being sold from Europe like this http://www.arcadeshop.de/index.php?cPath=79_84 I may have paused at the price but still probably bought some.

I notice the leafs are marked as dis-continued.



Xiaou2:


--- Quote ---The screw adjuster would obviously not be under the contact point.
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  Where would you put them then?

 I think you have to completely redesign the leaf assembly to do it... and the result probably wouldnt fit in standard leaf buttons and leaf sticks.

 Anyways, I think you underestimate the task a little.


RandyT:


--- Quote from: jimmer on February 08, 2013, 01:06:43 pm ---Whether my opinion will change when I get better at Joust we will see (the way my panel is I can use any of the 3 types for flapping so I can continue to evaluate them) 

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It was this, and only this statement which got me into the discussion.  I do believe you will eventually come around to real leaf switches for the types of games you are interested in playing, as these titles, more than many others, benefit greatly from the types of controls selected for use by the manufacturer of the games.  If not, then that is your prerogative, but it would place you in a small minority.

One thing I find curious is the stance you have taken that firing speed is unimportant, yet have gone to several lengths in order to measure how fast one can fire with each button.  Then when you say that all are equal based on your measurements, and I demonstrate how they are not, using the same software you wrote and based your conclusion upon, suddenly it's not important.  So you seem to be bouncing around a bit with what your requirements are.   You also seem to be attempting to discredit a fairly well known fact that leaf switches are the standard upon which lesser approaches are judged, particularly with the titles in question.

So the best way forward would probably be to put your calipers away for a bit, get your panel, cabinet, etc. finished, and start playing the games.  After putting a dozen hours in on the titles you are most interested in, using each of the types you have in your possession, and developing a certain level of proficiency with both game and control, then you will know which type are best suited for you.  If you find that one is better than the other, but it happens to be outside of your budgetary, build, convenience, etc. requirements, then understand that you are making a concession and it should be recognized for what it is.  These type of concessions are just part of what it is to build arcade panels in this day in age, when so many of the original controls are no longer being produced, and/or when a panel is intended to be multi-purpose.


--- Quote ---Unless you mean original style Leafs....I notice the leafs are marked as dis-continued.

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And this type of situation is the very reason we put such a large investment into the "from the ground up" design you were able to purchase from us.  I did not wish to see what is arguably the best switch option for arcade pushbuttons sink into oblivion, and no longer be available to this community, or be relegated to possession by hoarders of the originals who command outrageous prices for what little remains.  Case in point: before GGG made the huge investments in producing TRON and Satan's Hollow handles, these were being sold for upwards of $200 each.  And the same negative situation is becoming reality with the WICO leaf joysticks.  Today, not only is this no longer true with the aforementioned handles, but the reproductions are considered by most to be superior, and they can be readily purchased for an eighth of that price.

When people forget what was, and accept mediocrity as tantamount to par, then much is lost.  And those savvy enough to know the difference, end up paying dearly.  My involvement in discussions like this one is simply to defend the facts when they become disputed, and prevent as much of that downward slide as possible.

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