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Scored a free 32" Trinitron, need help getting PC display to it!
sharpfork:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on January 08, 2013, 05:16:05 pm ---Be cheaper getting a component cable and a Xbox1 with CoinOPS.
My thought is that you want to play classic games on the TV right?
I have done the PC to TV route and it seriously is pretty crappy.
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xBox is easier. This specific issue is what pushed me in the xBox direction.
After having a super rough time with XP and linux, I was very very surprised that win 7 + an older ATI video card (x1650 I think) supported 480i via component with this thing out of the box, not ATI drivers at all:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?seq=1&format=2&p_id=2398&CAWELAID=1329459247&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CILU54nG3LQCFQWonQodVU8A1w
my video card is not defined as being supported BTW.
It actually supported Tate/ vertical monitor with the native windows drivers too (notice the username):
I had to use second higher rez monitor to get it setup:
for reference, XP was never quite right:
RandyT:
--- Quote from: rCadeGaming on January 09, 2013, 07:41:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: RandyT on January 09, 2013, 01:14:29 pm ---It took me a bit of work, but I think I may have found something in a reasonable price range which will do what you are looking for.
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No, that is a digital converter. It will destroy native resolutions and cause lag. You need a proper analog transcoder that will translate colorspace only.
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:banghead: The replies in this thread have gone so far off track, I'd be surprised if the OP isn't thoroughly confused or ready to give up at this point.
A: OP states Intel on-board video. No space in PC for add-in card. Does not do 480i resolution.
B: TV is an actual TV. 480i capability only.
In light of A: and B:, neither an add-in card, nor a simple color space translator will help his dilemma. He needs a true down-converter and colorspace transcoder. At the low-price point, it won't be extremely pretty, nor lag free, but it's one of the few boxes out there in that range which will convert a higher VGA resolution to 480i and is capable of component output.
MonMotha:
FWIW, some Intel onboard video is capable of 480i, but I don't think any of the Windows drivers will allow it, and the OP probably does not want to run Linux...
Some of the Intel stuff is NOT capable, so YMMV even on Linux. There was also a driver bug about 2 years ago that broke all interlaced modes on Intel graphics, but it has since been corrected.
Also, it's possible to make a digital colorspace transcoder that "does the right thing" in this application. I don't know of any, and there may not be any popular ones on the market, but it's certainly possible.
rCadeGaming:
--- Quote from: sharpfork on January 09, 2013, 08:07:19 pm ---After having a super rough time with XP and linux, I was very very surprised that win 7 + an older ATI video card (x1650 I think) supported 480i via component with this thing out of the box, not ATI drivers at all:
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That's cool with the dongle and all, but I'm not sure why you would go to a lot of work to use 480i.
--- Quote from: RandyT on January 09, 2013, 09:09:57 pm ---A: OP states Intel on-board video. No space in PC for add-in card. Does not do 480i resolution.
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Very capable Soft15kHz/GroovyMAME compatible cards are available on eBay for as little as $15. As long as he has an AGP, PCI, or PCI-e slot open, there's no reason to stick with the on-board video.
--- Quote from: RandyT on January 09, 2013, 09:09:57 pm ---B: TV is an actual TV. 480i capability only.
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The OP is not the one who is confused here. "Standard def" TV's run at 15kHz, meaning that they're capable of 480i OR 240p. This has been the case for over 60 years. The NES didn't output 480i, it ran at around 240p. The Genesis didn't output 480i, it ran around 240p. Need I go on?
90% of the games in MAME originally ran around 240p. MAME is capable of generating proper native res around 240p. The right video card is capable of outputting proper native res around 240p. The right colorspace transcoder is capable of converting this from VGA to component WITHOUT altering resolution or adding a single frame of lag. The TV is capable of accepting this proper native res around 240p on its component input and displaying it properly.
I have all this working. Check the second link in my signature. Already mentioned by both Delusional and the OP btw. The right video card is anything listed as compatible with Soft15kHz, preferably an ATI for full compatibility with GroovyMAME. The right transcoder is a Crescendo Systems TC1600. If you need something cheaper, a Kramer FC-14 or even a JROK could be made to work.
Running in native res is the only way to get the optimum picture from these games, with the clearest picture, one to one reproduction of the original pixels, real scanlines, etc; and this TV is capable of doing so, so it should be used to the fullest. When set up correctly, a really good standard def TV (like a Sony Trinitron) can easily rival an arcade monitor for 240p content.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: rCadeGaming on January 10, 2013, 12:33:52 am ---The OP is not the one who is confused here. "Standard def" TV's run at 15kHz, meaning that they're capable of 480i OR 240p. This has been the case for over 60 years. The NES didn't output 480i, it ran at around 240p. The Genesis didn't output 480i, it ran around 240p. Need I go on?
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240p or 480i. It's not really relevant to the issue. It's the same horizontal frequency with the same issues the OP is hoping to overcome.
--- Quote ---Very capable Soft15kHz/GroovyMAME compatible cards are available on eBay for as little as $15. As long as he has an AGP, PCI, or PCI-e slot open, there's no reason to stick with the on-board video.
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I can't speak for the OP, only go on what he states. He states that he has no room for an additional card, so I'm taking his word on that. He also doesn't seem to want to mess around with custom timing settings and so on, nor did he state that he was only interested in getting MAME to run. So unless you have a link to a generic driver somewhere for his Intel HD3000 built-in graphics, which can do all of what you are referring to, the only real solution is a digital down-scaler. The problems lie in the limitations, and disregarding those limitations won't lead to any type of solution.
You are providing good solutions, but they seem to be related to a different problem.