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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #320 on: September 25, 2013, 01:27:10 pm »
Can someone with an ArcadeSD board tell me what the video output options are?

Can you choose the output resolution? Is the output VGA only, or is there an 240p output option?

Thanks of any info, now that I believe I have developed a fix for the JROK Multi-Williams, I would like to get the mini SLG working with the Arcade SD board.

Here's what I can pass along regarding the ArcadeSD (I own 2 of them).

There is no video mode option other than CGA to arcade monitor over jamma harness or VGA to pc monitor over VGA connector.

Here is what Clay posted over at KLOV in the uber thread about ArcadeSD when someone asked why the SLG doesn't work with it:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=2496080&highlight=slg#post2496080
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>> I have one of those little SLG's but for whatever reason can't get it to work with ArcadeSD.

> That was actually on our wish-list (only for the VGA output), but there just wasn't room to include it in the FPGA (the chip is *packed*). A little external one wouldn't be hard to make though. I suspect that some other SLG's (depending on type) get confused if you're not exactly at VGA frequencies (we're close, but not *exact*).

> (In theory it shouldn't matter since you could just look for HSYNC pulses for exact scanline and you don't actually need to worry about the exact scan rate, but maybe their system goes a little crazy if it doesn't lock on 100% stock PC-style VGA for an input.)

Hope that helps. I really want to get some of the SLG's but need it to work with the ArcadeSD board first. (I own two and they're on arcade monitors, but friends I have would like them for their PC monitors)
« Last Edit: September 25, 2013, 02:06:55 pm by Pac-Fan »

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #321 on: September 26, 2013, 01:53:14 pm »
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Hope that helps. I really want to get some of the SLG's but need it to work with the ArcadeSD board first. (I own two and they're on arcade monitors, but friends I have would like them for their PC monitors)

Thanks for the info Pac-Fan. Clay is right that on principal the VGA signal timing itself should not really matter, since the HSync is the driver for alternating the scanlines.

However, if the VSync is +, the mini SLG will not work as the VSync line is where it draws the power it needs for the scanline circuit.

I suspect the ArcadeSD is putting out a +Vsync for 640x480.

What surprises me a bit is that both the JROK and possibly the ArcadeSD use a +Vsync for 640x480, even though that is not the VESA VGA standard. Sure it works with VGA monitors, but a +Vsync for that resolution is out of spec vs what hardware makers have used for two decades. Why not just follow the well established VESA spec?

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #322 on: September 27, 2013, 10:16:55 am »
Hi Aaron, quick update.
the test SLG you sent, I can't get it working in one cab with a Dell LCD monitor, wired properly per JROK's d-sub connection.
no picture presented at all with the older green JROK MW board and the newer red JROK MW board (see earlier t-shooting in this thread, as I am 100% confident the wiring is correct and the cab works with all multi-boards from 60-1, 19-1, arcadesd, JROK MW, JROK Berzerk)

So I tried it in another cab with a different model Dell LCD and the JROK Berzerk PCB.  I get an image but it has angled horizontal lines and the image jumps all over the place and looks grainy and weird, then the monitor loses the sync, goes black, then starts the cycle over again.
In this same cab, the newer red JROK board generates nothing on the LCD, no signal messages.

I think this proves the SLG has some compatibility issue with the signal coming out of the JROKs.
--on a different note, JROK added scan lines as a software setting in the setup menu for the JROK Berzerk board.



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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #323 on: September 27, 2013, 12:02:03 pm »
Thanks for the update Mark.

I'm not sure why the test unit is not working with your JROK setups, that is a real mystery. I had success with two different test units I built, on multiple monitors both LCD & CRT, using the latest red board Multi-Williams. Thanks for testing for me though, it was worth a shot!

I have only had one other user express interest in a JROK compatible version, so it is not likely I will look into the problem any further. Especially now that the Berzerk board has built-in scanline capability, the next version of the Multi-Williams is likely to offer the same.
 
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #324 on: September 27, 2013, 03:24:43 pm »
That seems fairly wise.  thanks for being such a diligent friend to the hobby.

I think you will get lots of new mileage out of figuring out how to make it work with the ArcadeSD.
That board has a ton of street cred, and your SLG would be a perfect accessory, since Clay/Matt have made it rather clear they won't be building the feature into their software.

cheers.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #325 on: October 07, 2013, 02:09:59 pm »
Today I'll finally be getting this installed into my Final Fight.
To clarify using an RGB to VGA adapter I sitll use the ARCADE version correct ?

EDIT - I should add my reason for not installing sooner. My wife ! She misplaced the box.
But this weekend when I got a chance to sort out and box all my console(s) and related parts
by brand I found these.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2013, 02:12:00 pm by mike boss »

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #326 on: October 07, 2013, 02:48:20 pm »
Hi Mike,

I believe I sent you a Arcade & PC version right? You are right that the Arcade unit would be the right one to use with your Final Fight setup. Just plug the mini SLG into the VGA output of your RGB->VGA converter, and the monitor cable into the other end of the SLG.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #327 on: October 07, 2013, 03:07:00 pm »
Thank you.
You had clarified that prior, but my brain as a daddy has gone down hill.
Thank  you AGAIN for clearing this up.
I'll find the 5 min to install this tonight.

Looking forward to bad ass retro scanlines !

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #328 on: October 07, 2013, 03:08:07 pm »
And yes, to confirm, you did indeed send me one and one.

Installed !

@ CraftyMech

Thanks for the help with the set up.
This thing looks awesome.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2013, 08:50:12 pm by mike boss »

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #329 on: October 17, 2013, 05:24:00 pm »
I love the idea of this, but am using hdmi to my monitor.  Is there any update to the idea of a dvi/hdmi version?

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #330 on: October 18, 2013, 04:49:50 pm »
Hi Bill,

No plans at the moment for a dvi/hdmi version. As LCDs move towards dvi/hdmi inputs exclusively, I'll no doubt look into the idea again of a digital mini SLG.
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #331 on: October 20, 2013, 04:57:25 pm »
Hi Bill,

No plans at the moment for a dvi/hdmi version. As LCDs move towards dvi/hdmi inputs exclusively, I'll no doubt look into the idea again of a digital mini SLG.

Thanks.  I'll be watching :-)

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #332 on: October 21, 2013, 01:31:47 am »
Version 2X is now available!

The latest version of the mini SLG adds the following improvements:

  • Shorter length, now only 2.25" long!
  • New universal design for PC, Arcade, and Console sources
  • Simple ON/OFF switch replaces three position MODE/OFF switch

This is a minor release, but I think adds some nice improvements to the product. I realized one night how to simplify the design to be universal for both PC & Arcade/Console sources, and jumped at the opportunity to reduce the size & number of components.

Thanks for your support this year, over 350 units sold!
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #333 on: October 21, 2013, 09:03:51 am »
Great product.
I'll no doubt be getting more of these in the future.
Safe to say I'll actually have one of these in all my cabinets (as I love using LCD monitors) .

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #334 on: October 24, 2013, 01:52:46 pm »
Thanks Mike!

I'm excited about the 2X, I was finally able to hit 90% of the goals I originally had for this project. I can see this version being around for quite awhile.
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #335 on: October 27, 2013, 06:17:42 pm »
PM sent for a buddy.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #336 on: October 28, 2013, 02:57:46 pm »
2X looks very sexy!  :cheers:

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #337 on: November 01, 2013, 12:25:46 pm »
Thanks!  :cheers:

I have a couple version 2 units left from my previous run of boards. Now that the 2X is out, I'm looking to sell them together at a discount. How about $35 for both + shipping ? SOLD!
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #338 on: November 01, 2013, 03:05:51 pm »
Bah... too slow.  :hissy:

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #339 on: November 01, 2013, 04:29:43 pm »
Ohhh.. you gotta be quicker than that ;)

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #340 on: November 01, 2013, 05:07:09 pm »
 >:D >:D >:D

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #341 on: November 12, 2013, 01:53:43 pm »
@CraftyMech

I created a post of my local forum just talking about "must haves" when doing a project.
I mentioned the MINI-SLG as a must have for anyone looking for a retro feel.
I added the link to your site.
Here is a link to the post : http://www.cgcc.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25904

(hope that is cool!)

Also, is the double pack still available ? .... I'm still waiting on my buddy to do the order BTW.
Sorry for the delay.


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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #342 on: November 13, 2013, 12:48:37 am »
Hey Mike,

Thanks for spreading the word!

The double pack is $49, which is a $5 savings over buying the units individually.

No worries regarding your buddy, I've got plenty of stock so when you are ready I'll send the package your way!
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #343 on: November 28, 2013, 01:14:37 am »
This thing is seriously a must have! I'm running a MacMini with a MiniDVI to VGA adaptor and this SLG is by far the simplest and best way to get scan lines. I will be putting one of these on every build i make from here on out. Shipping and packaging to Alberta was rock solid, he even provided me with a tracking number. Oh and CraftyMech's Service and Support is top notch, anyone who knows me and how picky i can be knows that that's high praise coming from me.  Through a little trial and error we discovered that Mini DisplayPort to VGA adaptors are not compatible.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #344 on: November 28, 2013, 01:16:39 am »
This thing is seriously a must have! I'm running a MacMini with a MiniDVI to VGA adaptor and this SLG is by far the simplest and best way to get scan lines. I will be putting one of these on every build i make from here on out. Shipping and packaging to Alberta was rock solid, he even provided me with a tracking number. Oh and CraftyMech's Service and Support is top notch, anyone who knows me and how picky i can be knows that that's high praise coming from me.  Through a little trial and error we discovered that Mini DisplayPort to VGA adaptors are not compatible.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #345 on: November 28, 2013, 06:28:35 pm »
Glad we figured it out! I'll have to look into the Mini DisplayPort -> VGA issue. I have had success with an iPad -> VGA adapter, and now we know that Mini DVI -> VGA works great as well.

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« Reply #346 on: November 29, 2013, 02:33:41 am »
Hey don't forget to add that feedback quote i gave you to the title post. ;) ;)  hahaha.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #347 on: November 29, 2013, 01:28:27 pm »
Sure thing, I'll add that quote today! ;)

I guess a Black Friday deal is in order... so today only a 2 pack is $45 (normally $49). Get them while they are hot!
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« Reply #348 on: December 06, 2013, 07:30:44 am »
Pm Sent. I need to see this in action myself!!

Thanks and can't wait to get it!

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #349 on: December 10, 2013, 03:40:45 pm »
Hey there,
sounds very interesting! I guess there should be no problem to solder a wire or relais to the switch? I'd need the option to remotely turn the scanlines off for vector games, preferred automatically through my frontend (the last part won't be any problem at all)



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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #350 on: December 12, 2013, 03:19:48 am »
Hey there,
sounds very interesting! I guess there should be no problem to solder a wire or relais to the switch? I'd need the option to remotely turn the scanlines off for vector games, preferred automatically through my frontend (the last part won't be any problem at all)

The best option would be to solder two wires directly to the switch contact pads on the bottom, leave the switch on the mini in the off position, and run those wires to a separate switch installed somewhere handy on the control panel of your cab.

It might be tempting to remove the switch and relocate it, but I've tried before to salvage the switch from a defective unit, and it is almost impossible to desolder without damaging it. The prongs are an odd shape and fill the through hole with very little clearance, which makes it very tough to fully clear the solder.

I'll let you know the tracking # when your package ships on Friday!
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #351 on: December 12, 2013, 05:28:38 am »
Thanks, that option sound perfect for me - leaving the switch on its place was my intention, too.
So you can always check if everything works from the hardware itself.

I'm thinking of soldering the wires to a relais, so my frontend can tell the raster games to switch the scanline generator on, but leave it off for the vector ones. My interface should've some ports left for that.



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« Reply #352 on: December 16, 2013, 07:57:45 pm »
I'd love to buy one of these. How do you take payments?

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« Reply #353 on: December 16, 2013, 08:13:47 pm »
Hi Brian,

Payment is via PayPal, just send me an email at orders@craftymech.com and I'll send you a PayPal invoice. Be sure to include your country if you live outside the US.

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« Reply #354 on: December 16, 2013, 10:21:19 pm »
Thanks! Sent you an email...

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #355 on: December 29, 2013, 11:49:25 am »
Thanks to all my supporters for a great 2013!

430 units sold  :cheers:

To show my appreciation, I am running a sale in January:

$24 + FREE SHIPPING (US ONLY, International shipping rates still apply)

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #356 on: December 30, 2013, 03:59:27 pm »
question on this: if i run it on an lcd the scanlines should work but won't the image look very very blurry since the default res won't be 640x480 or whatever the low res is that it runs on? is this more for crt pc monitors?

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #357 on: December 30, 2013, 04:52:22 pm »
question on this: if i run it on an lcd the scanlines should work but won't the image look very very blurry since the default res won't be 640x480 or whatever the low res is that it runs on? is this more for crt pc monitors?

The mini SLG is an inexpensive, and compact scanline generator that is compatible with devices that output a standard VGA signal @ 640x480 (preferred) & 1024x768 resolutions.

Most people use it to get scanlines on an LCD, but it only works at those resolutions.
We're talking about original games that ran at 320x240.  Most used sprites, not rendered 3D images.
Running them at a higher resolution doesn't make them look better like it does with modern games.
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #358 on: January 02, 2014, 11:23:34 am »
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2X (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #359 on: January 08, 2014, 11:11:51 pm »
** ArcadeSD SUCCESS **

Thanks to CraftyMech for the ability to test this out.

Please note: This does NOT work with the MiniSLG2x (I tried that). It ONLY works with the JROK build, and possibly the older (pre-2x) builds.  CraftyMech will need to provide details on that and anything else relative to those interested in this for an ArcadeSD.

See the pictures and the diagram I whipped together from a few things found online.



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