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You can check out twistedquarter.com too.

armi0024:

Sorry but this thread really upset me, in part because it really hilites one of the biggest problems with whats going on right now.

D_Harris, you asked me in COSP chat whether Cherry switches can be used to replace switches on Nintendo sticks, and I am not sure, the metal leafs on Nintendo joys are bent and may or may not fit the Cherry's

If you want to know the "most reliable" switch Cherry and Omron switches stand out and are known for there robust builds.
IL uses Cherry, Sanwa Uses Omron

So JLW joysticks, come with Omron switches, which are going to be most similar to the original Nintendo switches.

E-switch (standard at TQ) and Zippy (GGG and US) are good switches, and are generally more than adequate for most applications, but they are not as robust as Omron or Cherry.  However, they are half the price.

Ok, that's the "informational" part of the post. Now the part that upsets me:
1) Because E-switch micros look like Cherry's some companies have started selling an "E-switch Cherry Microswitch" This is kind of like selling a Honda Porsche Accord, but because most people do not know the difference this goes on.  What's worse is that these companies actually show Cherry microswitches when they advertise, but ship E-switch. 

2) Many of the retailers take Chinese sticks, put a fancy label on them and then sell them as something that makes the whole market confusing. 
The reunion stick for Ms Pac is very similar to the Happ Super Joystick, but they don't include the ability to switch between 4 and 8 way, they just have on restrictor.

If you look at the micros in profile here they are whitish.  I pulled an older Namco reunion cabinet I have here apart and I think the joyticks are from before the IL/Happ split, but the reunion stick I have has Cherries on it.  I would assume, but I can not prove this, that since Happ dropped Cherry and IL after the split, all newer reunion sticks have E-switch micros.
Also if you look at the exploded view of the Happ Super, it matches exactly what is in my reunion cabinet, minus the shaft.

However, if you look at TQ's stick:

The Micros on the bottom are blue and black, and the restrictor is black, not white.  These are knock off Happ Super joysticks.  The micros are "Ye" brand


Notice that TQ does not label them as "Happ" they say "Namco" replacement.  These are not the same stick.

I am all for people being creative on repackaging and trying to make better more affordable products, but with all the Chinese knock offs things have become very confusing.  GGG, us, Jammaparts, Holland Computers, Dirt Cheap, and about 6 more companies sell the EXACT same joystick, that GGG calls the Spitfire and there are several other names.

What needs to happen is there should be a thread or site that allows for cross referencing of parts.  With all the quick switches and rebranding, it is becoming a little ridiculous, not to mention confusing.

RandyT:


--- Quote from: armi0024 on November 17, 2012, 05:11:02 am ---I am all for people being creative on repackaging and trying to make better more affordable products, but with all the Chinese knock offs things have become very confusing.  GGG, us, Jammaparts, Holland Computers, Dirt Cheap, and about 6 more companies sell the EXACT same joystick, that GGG calls the Spitfire and there are several other names.

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You probably shouldn't make these assumptions.  The one instance you are using, specifically our Spitfire stick, has for the last 6 months been shipping with switches which are different than others selling similar sticks.  We have them specifically built that way to improve the function of the stick.  There are a number of our products to which we make these small, but important changes.  And unlike many other vendors, we build a number of the products to suit, based on the options selected, and in doing so check and tweak performance as necessary.  This is what makes them our products and what differentiates them from the others.

But for vendors who's business revolves mainly around transferring an item from a Chinese box to an American one, it's hard to disagree with your assessment.

RandyT

armi0024:

11/17/2012... the day Randy and I agree on something... I will take the comment about "mainly around transferring an item from a Chinese box to an American one" as one not directed at us :)

At the risk of making everyone call for a round of group hugs, I will concede that Randy does make modifications to products he picks up from overseas.  We may disagree over the significance, but there are mods done.  There are some places that simply throw every cheap piece of crap into there store, but there are some that order, test, tweak, and then release.

Obviously I don't have a problem with people reselling Chinese stuff, and obviously I don't mind the mods as both of these things are something we do extensively.  I do have a real problem with people intentionally trying to mislead customers into thinking they are getting something they are not.


D_Harris:


--- Quote from: armi0024 on November 17, 2012, 09:31:48 pm ---11/17/2012... the day Randy and I agree on something...

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Yeah. I better go to church tomorrow so I can find out whether hell froze over.

You're right. Things can be confusing. Well, I know that Omron is the original manufacturer of the switches used in the Nintendo games I played back in the 80s. So I'll stick with those for my Mario Bros. and Vs. Super Mario Bros. Then go with Cherry for everything else, that is, games I'll sell. (All the rest of my games will are "leaf switch only".  ;D

Thanks everyone.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

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