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The Walking Dead - Season 3
lordnacho:
I think T-Dog was killed off so Merl will solely blame Rick. T-Dog was the one who dropped the key to his handcuffs on the roof, but was Rick who handcuffed him. Daryl will have to choose who to side with. Always moral choices in TWD land.
Lori is dead, would be lame otherwise. Although a pulse check before shooting her would have been a good idea.
Howard_Casto:
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p.s. If you liked Lori then you obviously didn't watch the last two seasons..... started to feel a little sorry for her towards the end, but it's good she died.... at least it was a noble death so she could redeem herslef somewhat.
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Well, let's see how many things we can find wrong with that line of reasoning....
1. Non Sequitur: "because you like Lori you didn't watch the last two seasons". Well , I did watch the last two seasons (several times) and I own all the graphic novels, the trade paperbacks, the hardcovers and the omnibus editions (two of them signed). AND I still liked Lori.
2. Argumentum ad Hominem: this is also simply attacking me to attempt to make a case.
3. I hope you don't ever feel sorry for me.
4....
That's probably enough.
Suggestion: If the show is so predictable, uninteresting and tedious to you....don't watch it. However, if you do watch, and we don't agree on the finer points, make an educated and reasonable case for your view instead of resorting to attacking me for mine.
Thanks
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My disagreeing with your opinions does not equate to "attacking you" you need to calm down a bit and repeat to yourself it's just a show, and you should really just relax.
Every one of my counter points are educated and reasonable.... I'm just sorry that you haven't analyzed the show in as much detail as I have so you can't see it this way. Most people merely watch tv.... I do a bit more.
lordnacho1: I don't think that was much much of an issue anyway. If you remember a couple of episodes ago Merl talks about Rick being the s.o.b. that left him, not t-dog. There's no dobut whatsoever that Daryl is in team Rick camp. Even when he was with his brother he was never "with" his brother. And about Lori.... again, she would have died from infection anyway but most likely she died almost instantly from shock.... you can't just cut into someone's belly without anesthetic.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 06, 2012, 04:31:07 pm ---Well those discussions WOULD be interesting, if they weren't so damn predictable.
You knew that they were going to eventually let the prisoners join the group eventually... probably after a conveniant chance to prove themselves and 5 minutes later... boom! There comes that chance!
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Well, it didn't actually happen that way. During the drive to the food stores, the situation could have broke in any of a number of directions. I honestly didn't expect it to go the way it did. It seemed to be a demonstration of how even the non-infected could be as dangerous in that world (or the real one), if not more so than their gruesome counterparts. It was also a demonstration as to how hardened Rick and others in the group had become. They learned in the last season that simply still being human was not something worthy of protection or trust. Much of what you have been seeing is an amplification of this, and appears to be setting the stage for the upcoming encounter with Merl, and possibly the Governor. After watching the characters' progression, I was surprised they weren't all executed by Rick and crew, but of course they weren't because there is still some compassion which they have managed to retain, and the understanding that the group becomes weaker as their numbers dwindle. Better to have an unsavory, but not necessarily dangerous, individual at your side, than to fight alone. Simple risk management.
--- Quote ---And again there WOULD be a moral delimma, if those guys weren't prisoners. Yeah I know, they say that their offenses were minor but that sure looks like at least a medium security prison to me and you don't get in there for a little pot. Don't get me wrong, I don't support the death penalty, but things are a bit different when there aren't the facilities in place to give criminals proper punishment. Making them leave wouldn't have been killing them, it would have been the right call...
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Meh. In a world like that, some of the traits belonging to certain criminals could be pretty handy to call on. Daryl wasn't too far from that originally and eventually became a valuable member. Predictability is what is important. If you can't turn your back to them without wondering what will happen, then they have to go. Besides, putting them outside would have been the same as killing them, unless they were armed and well provisioned, which is something the group could neither risk or afford.
--- Quote ---It seems to me that the writers for the show don't seem to get which parts of the books made the series great, because they always latch on to the other parts.
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Never read them. It's probably what is spoiling the show for you. I've never walked away from a movie based on a book I had already read thinking "that was better than the book".
--- Quote ---p.s. If you liked Lori then you obviously didn't watch the last two seasons..... started to feel a little sorry for her towards the end, but it's good she died.... at least it was a noble death so she could redeem herslef somewhat.
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IF she is actually dead. Given the scene with Rick afterward, I tend to think she is. But yeah, she was pretty annoying.
t3design:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on November 06, 2012, 11:54:35 pm ---
My disagreeing with your opinions does not equate to "attacking you" you need to calm down a bit and repeat to yourself it's just a show, and you should really just relax.
Every one of my counter points are educated and reasonable.... I'm just sorry that you haven't analyzed the show in as much detail as I have so you can't see it this way. Most people merely watch tv.... I do a bit more.
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Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the difference between stating your opinion and attacking another person. If you had said, "In my opinion....", or, "As I have watched Lori's character develop over the last two seasons I have grown to dislike her." THAT would be stating your opinion. If you had said, "I disagree with you, I think as Lori's character developed...", THAT would have been disagreeing with my opinion.
However, what you did say was that because I liked Lori's character I could not have watched the first two seasons, which is the same as saying that if I were as educated in the series as you, I would think like you. THAT is an attack, and an arrogant one at that.
Interestingly, you resort to the same ad Hominem attack in your rebuttal when you claim that you are educated and reasonable and that those who don't see things the way you do haven't spent as much time or done as much analysis as you. The amount of time spent on analysis does not equate to whether you are right or wrong.
If you have spent so much time analyzing the show I would expect that you would be able to articulate the basis for your conclusions clearly and if they are plausible and potentially valid you might influence someone else. But so far all you have done is said, "I know more than you, I'm smarter than you, and if you don't see things my way you haven't really watched the show or paid attention." And that doesn't make you smarter or right, it just makes you a bully.
ChadTower:
Meh. You know what needs a horde of walkers to show up? This thread. :hissy
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