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| Le Chuck:
With the ability to implement an auto switching solution rapidly approaching plug and play and prices on such modifications dropping equally rapidly software solutions as currently being discussed are becoming unnecessary stop gaps for a shrinking and soon to be non existent problem. If folks want to play classics they buy dedicated 4 way sticks that provide authentic performance. Ditto 8 way. Now you can have both in one package and have the game play be authentic for both for a marginal price hike. Analogies about cars and guns seem to be out of place in my thinking but I'll add my own to the mix. Screw drivers. I don't screw phillips with a standard driver. I could, but it's a PITA and the results are sub par. I have both kinds of driver in my drawer but the one I use most is the little bit with philips on one side and standard on the other. It has a nifty little chuck that allows me to flip around to the one I need. It just works to use the right bit for the right head. I wish I had one that knew what screw I was using and changed automatically. The stick currently on the market closest to doing this out of the box isn't even Randy's so I don't know why anybody would be all up in his grill about this issue. I have high hopes that Randy will release a product with similar (not identical) automation and when he does I'm likely to be one of the first to sing its praises however that isn't the case as of right now. Kudos to Randy for taking the time to dispel myth and to share knowledge :cheers: |
| rablack97:
I thought this was a innovation forum, so technically bottom line is don't try anything else new, it's all been tested by 2 people on this Earth. So case closed? I'll use a different word now instead of preference....It's a different option, to some people if it get the job done and your having fun then that's enough.... Now there is a Elite group of folks that won't settle for less than perfect, and that's fine. His idea might be poor compared to the Lamborghini's of the world, but guess what there's a piece of s**t kia out there that will get me to point a to point b, and for a majority of the population out there that's enough..... Poor is a strong word though, cause i use said 4 way logic today, and don't see a real problem with. Will it revolutionize 4-way probably not, but will it get me through a game with pretty good high score, for sure. It's no different than business, you guys advertise multiple types of sticks, buttons, switches, etc. to give the population options. If we all looked at the logistics of perfecting one thing then there would be no other options, cause they would be considered too poor to even bother with. So commend the man for trying instead of blowing his attempt out of the water with science and math, or telling him to give up..... You know they laughed at Noah too, and told him not to build the ARK. Science, math, and testing didn't see the rain coming did it? Don't hate participate, people....who know what will come of it... :soapbox: going to timeout now... |
| Le Chuck:
--- Quote from: rablack97 on October 19, 2012, 04:12:34 pm ---I thought this was a innovation forum, so technically bottom line is don't try anything else new, it's all been tested by 2 people on this Earth. So case closed? I'll use a different word now instead of preference....It's a different option, to some people if it get the job done and your having fun then that's enough.... Now there is a Elite group of folks that won't settle for less than perfect, and that's fine. His idea might be poor compared to the Lamborghini's of the world, but guess what there's a piece of s**t kia out there that will get me to point a to point b, and for a majority of the population out there that's enough..... Poor is a strong word though, cause i use said 4 way logic today, and don't see a real problem with. Will it revolutionize 4-way probably not, but will it get me through a game with pretty good high score, for sure. It's no different than business, you guys advertise multiple types of sticks, buttons, switches, etc. to give the population options. If we all looked at the logistics of perfecting one thing then there would be no other options, cause they would be considered too poor to even bother with. So commend the man for trying instead of blowing his attempt out of the water with science and math, or telling him to give up..... You know they laughed at Noah too, and told him not to build the ARK. Science, math, and testing didn't see the rain coming did it? Don't hate participate, people....who know what will come of it... :soapbox: going to timeout now... --- End quote --- I'm sorry that my form of participation is stating my opinion and trying to add to the discussion rather than announcing that my trousers are messed. The Noah analogy is a nice touch tho. Next time I'm reading the epic of Gilgamesh I'll be sure and think of this. I was trying to discuss that the effort may be late as controller choices are quickly adapting to negate the very necessity thereof and was not stating an evaluation of the software performance itself. I am of the opinion that a physical solution will always be superior to an emulated solution but I don't think that point of view is under fire here. I also wasn't aware that the current technique being attempted was new... and I'm not entirely sure that's an accurate assessment. Please don't smite me. |
| RandyT:
--- Quote from: rablack97 on October 19, 2012, 04:12:34 pm ---I'll use a different word now instead of preference....It's a different option, to some people if it get the job done and your having fun then that's enough.... --- End quote --- Finally a statement I can agree with. If the default 8-way translation methodology in the apps is one which a player is having an awful time with, and they want to try an alternative which isn't already available through customizing the input handling logic (i.e. the AND, OR and NOT combinations) then there's no harm in giving something else a shot. Most here would recommend foregoing the effort involved and just using the right tool for the job, but it's understandable that some may not have the money or space to do that, or just like tinkering for the sake of tinkering. There is nothing wrong with presenting options, but presenting them in such a way as to indicate that they solve a problem which they don't really, and cannot possibly solve, is a different situation. |
| CheffoJeffo:
I thought he left ... or was being graceful ... or summat like that ... ::) --- Quote from: rablack97 on October 19, 2012, 04:12:34 pm ---I'll use a different word now instead of preference....It's a different option, to some people if it get the job done and your having fun then that's enough.... --- End quote --- The bottom line is that, in order to make a decision about options, people need enough facts to make it an informed decision. Just saying an option is available and works for you, without any mention of the potential downfalls, does a disservice, to the option and to the community. We all get that you think that Degen's solution is good enough. What has been posted are reasons why it may not be the case. I can think of a number of games, just off the top of my head, where his algorithm will be totally wrong, like, say, any game where you can't just switch directions to the cardinal opposite. What may be more interesting is to have a number of algorithms that can be selected by the user as appropriate to the game being played. RandyT has just been providing facts that should be considered in making an assessment. We aren't telling you that you must use the same solution that we chose (or that you are a loser if you don't), but we are telling people what the potential downfalls of the proposed methods are. As RandyT says, this isn't exactly a new problem and I'm not seeing anything here that hasn't been tried before. :whap |
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