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| RandyT:
--- Quote from: rablack97 on October 17, 2012, 04:49:10 pm ---I think Degenetron was after a comparable way to play 4/8 way w/o buying an expensive stick and being able to do it with a shifted on the fly method. It also keeps you from popping the CP hood to twist screws for the restrictor plate. To some this is a convenience. There is no right or wrong here, and to your point 4 way has not been and never will be perfected. So we will agree to disagree. --- End quote --- When I need to start repeating my earlier statements, either what I am trying to put across isn't getting through, or it's time for me to give up trying. 4-way "perfection" can be defined in only one way; and that is when the stick follows the intention of the player every time. Not half the time, not three quarters, not even nine tenths. A skilled player can compensate for a less than ideal solution, but it will eventually trip up even them, especially in later levels. --- Quote from: rablack97 on October 17, 2012, 06:52:07 pm ---The ones who care will splurge on perfection, which Randy has stated isn't perfected yet.. So until somebody perfects ultra 4 way algorithms, i'll settle for the convenient/comparable way to switch back and forth between 8/4 way. --- End quote --- What isn't perfected yet? And where did I state this? The proposed approach is nowhere near "comparable" to a good 8/4 way stick with changeable physical restriction. In fact, as I stated before, it's not even necessarily better than what MAME does by default. A physically restricted 4-way joystick, which cannot physically actuate two switches simultaneously is perfection in this case, and they do exist. With a little tuning, they also exist in the form which allows switching between 4 and 8 way operation. |
| rablack97:
OK, the Purists win..... I've digested and heard everything you've said.......As stated before your expertise supercedes mine in this area. I'm off to play some Rally X on an unrestricted 8-way joystick with hair trigger switches.....just to make the game more interesting... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: |
| MTPPC:
RandyT said the most important thing when he said that the math and physics of an 8-way precludes the possibility of perfect 4-way play. I don't care if it's 10 times better, if the game throws you off in 1 out of a thousand directional changes, you will never be able to achieve a mastery level of any game. For me, this takes the fun out of the game because the game is hard enough without mechanical hurdles. I learned this when my cheap zippy joystick had a microleaf that didn't register about once out of 200 activations. It completely ruined the game play. Do you want the game to knock you out even when you are playing perfectly? |
| rablack97:
:timebomb: :blowup: If your trying to achieve mastery then you shouldn't be using a virtual 4 way anyway. If RandyT says there are perfect 4-way Jstiks, i'm assuming you would cop one of those to give yourself an edge to achieve mastery. I was talking on the lines of normal everyday gameplay, not top choice mastery. I never said this method was going to replace anything, it's an option, just like everything else in this hobby. So i get what everyone is saying, no big deal.......i'm bowing out gracefully :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: |
| mgb:
So I think what we all get out of this is that 1)physical 4way restriction is best. (Duh, haven't we all known that) but still to each his own. 2)Randy gets really pissed any time someone else offers any type of product or software that is not GGG. I think pbj said it best --- Quote from: pinballjim on October 16, 2012, 08:11:43 pm ---You guys get frothy over some really trivial stuff :lol --- End quote --- |
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