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danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: Gray_Area on October 08, 2012, 09:10:39 pm ---The only sensible temporality flick off the top of my head is 12 Monkeys, because there's no paradox. I'm not saying it hasn't been done well, but not in movies. Look back to the 50s and 60s in SF and you'll see some ardent attempts. Maybe some successes, I forget.
More recent successes are Gregory Benford's TIMESCAPE (think bifurcation), and Stephen Baxter's EXULTANT (wherein the story that results from the 'incident' stands on its own).
Temporality is just a gimmick these days to make people think there's a story.
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Loved Timescape. read that when I was in primary school. M ust read it agai because I'm sure I would appreciate various nuances better...
danny_galaga:
Oh, and am I the only one who, anytime they hear the name of this movie, thinks of this?
selfie:
--- Quote from: wp34 on October 08, 2012, 07:32:10 pm ---
I listed to part of the commentary and the director admitted that if you diagram out the time-travel on paper you should have seen young Joe shoot old Joe first. He edited it the way he did to make sure the audience understood that young Joe is really the main character.
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That is such a cop out. He is basically saying "I got it wrong on purpose because I think my audience is stupid..."
Vigo:
At the end, was I the only one thinking that young Joe was a dumbass for not just shooting his hand/trigger finger off? He knows old Joe will instantly gain his memories, and so he just needed to buy enough time for old Joe to understand that he would be creating the rainmaker. Beats being dead.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: Vigo on October 10, 2012, 11:00:58 am ---At the end, was I the only one thinking that young Joe was a dumbass for not just shooting his hand/trigger finger off? He knows old Joe will instantly gain his memories, and so he just needed to buy enough time for old Joe to understand that he would be creating the rainmaker. Beats being dead.
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I'm probably being dense, but why would that make him realise that? Isn't he just going to suddenly remember that that jackass young Joe shot his own finger off and let that frikkin' Rainmaker escape? I doin't see that he would suddenly remember himself as a kid jumping on a train, seeing as how young Joe himself didn't remember he was the Rainmaker
Another hindrance:
We know how Old Joe came to be in that era. But why is Young Joe in the same era as Kid Joe? Did he get sent back in time with the Looper Boss (Jeff Daniels)? It seemed to be implied that it was quite an exceptional thing to have someone sent back to work, as opposed to being sent back to be assassinated. How come neither of them seem to be aware of their awesome power? Since Old Joe is the Rainmaker, I don't understand any of this. Unless the kid who grows up to be the Rainmaker does so in parallel with Young/Old Joe? The director himself says 'For Looper, I very much wanted it to be a more character-based movie that is more about how these characters dealt with the situation time travel has brought about'. But I just can't get past the fact it really doesn't make sense. As WP34 mentioned, getting the order of time jumps back to front for Old Joe screwed it up even more. It would make more sense the other way round. But the rules seem a bit too 'magical' for me. Magic is fine in The Lord of the Rings, but not here ;D
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