Author Topic: No sound in many games in groovymame? (HD4350 related? CRT_Emu?) (Read 16128 times)

Endprodukt · « **Reply #40 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:19:48 pm »

I will try the cat uninstaller. Which driver should I install afterwards?!

krick · « **Reply #41 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:24:03 pm »

I would just install the CRT_EmuDriver 9.3 first to see how sound behaves. If that works. Don't mess with the HDMI audio driver.

If that doesn't work, I'd run windows update and check to see if there's a driver for the HDMI Audio in the "optional" section.

If not, then I'd probably download the latest ATI/AMD driver package for your card, unpack it, and manually install the HDMI driver through Device Manager.

If that doesn't work, I think I have a stand-alone HDMI audio driver for my Radeon HD 4xxx card somewhere that worked for me. I'll see if I can find it tonight.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #42 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:28:06 pm »

Yeah but that's pretty much what I already did. I reinstalled everything today including windows. After windows I installed the emudriver and the soundcard driver. directx and that's pretty much it.

Calamity · « **Reply #43 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:30:39 pm »

I think I disagree Krick on his last post. I'd do a fresh install of all the components from the link I passed, to make sure they all are from the same version (9.3). My guess is that there's a version conflict in there.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #44 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:31:59 pm »

So should I install the 9.3 version from your link and THEN install the emu driver?

edit: the cat uninstaller didn't do anything to the wdm audiodriver... I can't get rid of it.

krick · « **Reply #45 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:39:38 pm »

I agree. Follow Calamity's instructions over mine. He has more experience at this than I do.

Calamity · « **Reply #46 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:41:16 pm »

First CRT_Emudriver 9.3. Then the other individual packages from the link: HDMI and WDM.

The problem with updated Windows XP distributions is that they ship drivers which versions are newer than the CRT_Emudriver's. Windows has some sort of driver cache which makes it very hard to get rid of those. Windows insists on reinstalling its own version just because it's newer and that's all that seems to matter.

They can get removed in fact, it's difficult but possible, it may require to boot on safe mode and remove the driver manually from device manager.

Just focus on the HDMI and WDM stuff, the Emudriver is fine.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #47 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:48:42 pm »

Problem is: I can't get rid of the newer driver no matter how often I go to the device manager in safe mode and delete the driver. It's reinstalling on the next boot. Second problem is I don't know which driver in the package you send me is actually the right one. Third problem is: Is it normal that I get prompted by windows that there could be an compatibility issue when installing the emu_driver?

krick · « **Reply #48 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:58:19 pm »

The error at the end of the CRT_EmuDriver install is normal. There's two that I've personally seen...

The the first is a "copy file" error. From my research, this error is caused by the missing Catalyst Control Panel software in the CRT_EmuDriver package.

The second error I've seen is a "thunk.exe" error, which is what I think your seeing. There error says something like...

"'Setup did not find a driver compatible with your current hardware or operating system. Setup will now exit."

This second error only happens to me with with 9.3 CRT_EmuDriver, and from my research, it's related to something called "Smart Gart" that is supposed to pick the best resolution for the next restart at the end of the driver install. For some reason, it chokes when trying to set the resolution. I think it's because none of the newly installed CRT_EmuDriver resolutions are appropriate for a PC monitor. What happened to me what that when I rebooted with my arcade monitor attached, it was trying to start up in 640x480 but not interlaced, which won't work on an low res arcade monitor.

So in my case, I had to run VMMaker after installing CRT_EmuDriver on my PC before rebooting and attaching the arcade monitor and then everything was cool.

Calamity · « **Reply #49 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:05:05 pm »

These are the links:

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/9-3_xp32-64_wdm.exe
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/hdmi_xp2.aspx?&lang=English

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Third problem is: Is it normal that I get prompted by windows that there could be an compatibility issue when installing the emu_driver?

If you mean Windows complaining about the driver not being signed, then that's fine. If it's something else, then I haven't ever seen it.

It's been long since I run into issues with the driver and it was never because of the WDM thing, I believe it should be possible to replace the existing version with the ones I linked, but I'm not sure how. It might require to uninstall several devices at a time to get it to work.

Sorry for this. If this method doesn't work try Krick's idea.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #50 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:07:57 pm »

That second link is to version 12.8 of the HDMI driver that I'm trying to get rid of. We want the hdmi driver for version 9.3, right?

Calamity · « **Reply #51 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:13:30 pm »

Quote from: Endprodukt on September 10, 2012, 05:07:57 pm

That second link is to version 12.8 of the HDMI driver that I'm trying to get rid of. We want the hdmi driver for version 9.3, right?

That's interesting, the link in the 9.3 page is to the updated HDMI driver... so I wouldn't touch that one.

That seems to point to the WDM driver as the possible problem.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #52 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:16:15 pm »

And which device is actually using the wdm driver? because I have installed the 12.8 hdmi driver.

Calamity · « **Reply #53 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:25:57 pm »

I think the WDM is used by the whole thing, don't know if there's any specific device linked to it.

Another idea, unistall the video driver, install the whole 9.3 catalyst package:
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/9-3_xp32_dd_ccc_wdm_enu.exe

This will install the WDM driver probably.

Then *only*uninstall the display driver and reinstall CRT_Emudriver.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #54 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:26:31 pm »

I'll give it a try.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #55 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:39:16 pm »

well... now I can't delete the video driver without windows reinstalling it on an instant. I hate my life.

Calamity · « **Reply #56 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:45:56 pm »

Don't know if you've tried this already. Once you uninstall, don't reboot into normal mode to give Windows a chance to reinstall things, reboot in safe mode instead and install drivers from there. Not sure if it'll work though.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #57 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:47:38 pm »

Safe Mode installs drivers on it's own.

Tried that several times.

Calamity · « **Reply #58 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:58:29 pm »

I've run out of ideas, sorry

Won't you have an older copy of Windows XP?

Endprodukt · « **Reply #59 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:08:56 pm »

Can get one. You think that will fix anything? I'm running out of motivation.

I just did everything hooked up to my lcd screen... ran mk2 with all the same settings and had sound (no picture because of 15khz). switched over to my cabinet... no sound...

Endprodukt · « **Reply #60 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:20:37 pm »

What would you suggest? Get a new graphic card, soundcard, mainboard, computer!? What should I do?

Calamity · « **Reply #61 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:33:08 pm »

As I said, I'd try an older copy of Windows, older enough to accept our drivers as something new. Can't promise you anything, but this has worked for hundreds of people, why should your system be different.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #62 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:43:55 pm »

Which Windows version would you actually recommend?

krick · « **Reply #63 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:58:23 pm »

Quote from: Endprodukt on September 10, 2012, 05:47:38 pm

Safe Mode installs drivers on it's own. Tried that several times.

The only drivers that should get installed in safe mode are generic VGA drivers. This is normal.

Have you tried booting into safe mode and running Catalyst Cleaner, then installing CRT_EmuDriver?

Also, have you looked in your control panel under the audio settings?...

Endprodukt · « **Reply #64 on:** September 10, 2012, 07:00:41 pm »

Well... no... it's installing the AMD High Def Audio Drivers that came with the latest catalyst for win xp. I'm starting to think it has something to do with the monitor, sync or something. It's really strange.

IF it was really about the drivers, why would ANY game work at all? I mean... there are some games in groovymame that work just fine.

krick · « **Reply #65 on:** September 10, 2012, 07:05:27 pm »

Quote from: Endprodukt on September 10, 2012, 07:00:41 pm

Well... no... it's installing the AMD High Def Audio Drivers that came with the latest catalyst for win xp.

Oh, OK. I don't think that's a problem. Boot into windows normally, go into Device manager, right click on the AMD HDMI audio device and select "disable". Then go into control panel and make sure that your normal onboard sound is set as the default.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #66 on:** September 10, 2012, 07:06:40 pm »

I have sound... windows, all the other emulators... it's just mame. What the ---fudgesicle--- is going on there

krick · « **Reply #67 on:** September 10, 2012, 07:09:40 pm »

The only thing that's *different* about your situation from most people is the UMSA. I don't recall anyone here using one.

Could there be a problem there? Is it getting the proper voltage at the right amps?

Endprodukt · « **Reply #68 on:** September 10, 2012, 07:26:27 pm »

It's this one:

It needs 5v and 15khz.

I connected my VGA directly to an LCD and the sound as well... just as it is. Same problem. Sound is stuttering. Means, it's not the UMSA.

It's really strange. Why would ANY game work at all with sound?

Crypt Killer works with sound, Mr. Driller aswell.

krick · « **Reply #69 on:** September 10, 2012, 09:32:33 pm »

OK, here's an idea. How about you make two lists of games. One list is games that have no sound problems, the other list is games with sound problems. Maybe there's a commonality between games that will help indicate what the problem is.

I also just thought of something. Could it be an issue with the audio volume level? Maybe it's overdriving something and clipping or cutting out. Does it make any difference if you play with headphones plugged directly into your motherboard line out (usually the green plug)

Endprodukt · « **Reply #70 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:39:41 am »

No difference. Mortal Kombat starts with real low sound levels usually so nothing is overdriven and I would have no sound wiith switchres = 0. I think that the reason why some games work is that they start at 640x480 and don't have to switch resolution or something...

EDIT: It seems like the games that work with sound run at 60hz while the others don't . Does that make any sense? I could send a txt file from one of the working games if that helps?

Thanks for all your help!

Calamity · « **Reply #71 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:19:48 am »

Let's try something:

mame mk -wavwrite mk.wav

Then play the resulting recorded wav with Windows Media Player. That will let us know if it's either a driver problem or something wrong about MAME.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #72 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:24:57 am »

Result: MK.WAV plays absolutely fine in the windows media player.

Calamity · « **Reply #73 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:43:30 am »

Interesting. So the sound is properly mixed and the problem must come at the point when it's transferred to the hardware

Try setting the option -audio_latency 2 or 3 to see if that makes any difference.

BTW you should be doing all these tests with regular MAME, are you?

Endprodukt · « **Reply #74 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:51:58 am »

No, I was testing with Groovymame. Normal Mame gave me a distorted picture in Mortal Kombat (bent on the top to the left). Changing latency to 3 didn't help in both versions.

Calamity · « **Reply #75 on:** September 11, 2012, 07:08:19 am »

The other option that comes to my mind is the -samplerate, but I don't think it will affect either.

Only test on regular MAME from now on. Create a fresh mame.ini (mame -cc).

Now, you're saying that 60 Hz games run fine. Let's try forcing mk to run at 60 Hz:

mame mk -speed 1.09

Endprodukt · « **Reply #76 on:** September 11, 2012, 10:35:20 am »

I will do that when I'm back home. Any specific settings I should do to the fresh Mame.Ini?

I'm asking because normal mame without additional settings runs fine.

Calamity · « **Reply #77 on:** September 11, 2012, 11:56:02 am »

Just the -switchres option, because the sound problems only happen when running full screen, wasn't it? Remind to create a fresh ini for this.

Endprodukt · « **Reply #78 on:** September 11, 2012, 12:02:38 pm »

Totally screws the screen and sound is like before.

Calamity · « **Reply #79 on:** September 11, 2012, 12:22:33 pm »

Well the distorted screen is not relevant, probably the base modelines installed by the driver are a bit off for your monitor, you can check this in Arcade_OSD selecting the same resolution which MAME is using here (probably 400x256).

So the facts are that regular MAME, when running full screen, without any sort of vsync or other special feature, and a capable CPU, produces sound stuttering in your system.

Now, if this has any relation to the CRT_Emudriver, is something that is beyond my understanding.


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