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Howard_Casto:
That's why android is better, again it's the pc vs mac war all over again.

Android just has so many damn apps it doesn't really matter that the os itself is kind of lack-luster.  Tons of FREE apps to, which makes all the difference.  I've had my tablet for 6 months now, and I've found an app for nearly every task I've needed it to do.  I've yet to pay a dime for said apps.

Windows seems to be the middle ground in that dept and I'm pretty sure apple would charge you to use the single button on their phone if they could figure out a way. ;)

shmokes:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on September 05, 2012, 11:01:22 pm ---That's why android is better . . .

Android just has so many damn apps . . .

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It depends whether you're talking about Android the phone or Android the tablet. Android the tablet does not have so many apps. It has a dearth of apps. I get that the tablet can run the phone apps, but that's not very satisfying. They aren't developed for the platform, and thus don't take advantage of, well, its advantages. It's not a compelling alternative to the iPad.

In the tablet space Microsoft will overshadow Android almost instantly where apps are concerned. This time next year there will be way way more tablet apps for Windows 8 than Android. Again, it's a totally different thing with the phone. Windows Phone 8 will have a much more difficult time unseating Android. If they ever do it, it will take years. But Android tablets failed long before Microsoft ever got around to getting in the game. It ain't hard to beat a competitor that already lost.

Howard_Casto:
It sounds like you haven't used a lot of android tablets. 

The difference between iOS and android is a iphone game looks and plays like crap on an ipad, but this isn't the case on your typical android app. Android apps are more like pc apps, they have scaleable resolutions and features ect.  I've yet to play an app on an android tablet that looked pixelated or "phone-like"  And seeing as how the only difference between a tablet and a phone is a higher resolution I'm not sure exactly what you are getting at.  If you can give me an example maybe I could understand your point a little better.

I'm still not getting where you are saying that android tablets have failed... they outsell the ipad by leaps and bounds.  You can't look at one specific tablet and say "well android tablets sell worse because toshiba's tablet doesn't outsell the ipad and it's the highest selling android tablet"  again pc vs mac.   You've got the ipad, a singular product vs literally everything else, COMBINED, because if it isn't running iOS, it's running android.  I think you are forgetting, you can go down to your local big lots or pharmacy and pick up a 80 dollar tablet.  Mind you it's crap, but it's running android.  Windows 8 will probably change that but right now, android is the OS to beat, if not the hardware.

IMHO pretty much any tablet is a compelling alternative to the ipad because the current ipad is frikkin 500 bucks like any typical over-priced apple stuff.  It doesn't matter that it's the best, because for your average user it isn't worth the cost.  It's the same reason the ps3 sold horribly during it's first few years.  Why would you buy a 600 dollar system that's only slightly better than a 300 dollar system?

shmokes:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on September 06, 2012, 01:25:05 am ---I'm still not getting where you are saying that android tablets have failed... they outsell the ipad by leaps and bounds.

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I don't know where you live, but based on everywhere I've been in the past few years, I don't know how you could think this was true even without seeing the numbers. You see iPads everywhere--I've literally seen dozens upon dozens of them while out and about. On he other hand, I think I've seen Android tablets in the wild three times, total. In history.

Nevertheless, here are the numbers:

Washington Post

Boy Genius Reports

Business Insider

CNET

As for the software, I can't speak first hand about it. I only know the general sentiment I gather from reading tech blogs. Look at the results from doing the following, seemingly neutral Google search: number of android tablet apps.

Howard_Casto:
Maybe you live in a richer area.  I've seen two ipads out in the wild, count em two.  One was being used by a doctor for his practice.  I see android tablets daily.  Now iphones on the other hand, I see those all the time.

I'm not sure how accurate those links you sent are either.  Mind you it's hard to refute what they say when there isn't any other data out there, but if you look at the ones you linked to that are from the same time period (one is from early 2011 and can be thrown out) they each give a noticably different sales number for both apple and it's competators.  I'm wondering how they count, because google is notoriously bad about not releasing sales numbers.  I can see them keeping track of samsung and toshiba and the big ones easily and they aren't winning the race at all, it's the amount of "others" that I question.  Google's os is essentially free.  You can compile via the sdk, pop it on your hardware and don't have to inform anyone about it.  I mean when I can get a unbranded android tablet from China as easily as you'd get a bag of 1,000 leds how exactly do you track that?

Don't misunderstand me, the ipad has a dominant chunk of the market, mainly because prior to late 2011 the cost of high end android tablets were pretty high and the low end ones hadn't been out yet.  But by now, I would guestimate that the market is about 40-45% apple and 55-60% everything else and as the cost of other high-end tablets fall, I would expect this number to nudge over even more.

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