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daywane:

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--- Quote from: shmokes on July 02, 2012, 05:59:26 pm ---Do you just mean simple communism? If so, it's a very nice principle, but there seems to be no way to make it work. Many many groups of people have tried. It seems that we are not at all like ants, as it appears that it is human nature itself that is incompatible with communism.

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communism? no kidding? I must look up communism.
It must really mean more than dictators?
I never really looked up the word.
let me check into this more.
I doubt if I mean communism becouse if we just produced and consumed as needed we would not need a goverment

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True communism doesn't have a dictator, it just never works out that way.  From Wikipedia:
Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

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YEP THAT'S IT! BINGO
I fill dirty now but it is still my way of believing to be the right path.
I guess I am a  communist. I did look it up. and saw the exact thing. I do not like the word though. "communism"  :dizzy:

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: daywane on July 02, 2012, 06:37:37 pm ---you still do not get what I mean.
why would there be no Walmart there is many now.
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Walmart stores exist because they are part of a profit-driven corporation.  Without the incentive for profit, there would be no Walmarts.


--- Quote ---we have running water now  electricity, etc.
why do we have to walk away from them they do exist now.
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And we have those things largely because of the system under which we obtained them (free market economy).  Take away that, and things become a lot more challenging.  Who is going to supply the electricity if no one is going to pay for it?  No money = no private enterprise.  Government run would be the only solution.

But just ask North Korea how well that has worked out.



--- Quote ---just why do we fell the need for money to work. We could work just because it benefits all.
I do not value my worth in cash. even though I am worth a nice sum. it just seems pointless to me. It only make life hard.
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The reason we have money is primarily as a means of trade and also a store of value.  Without some form of common means of trade, trading for things becomes extremely innefficent.  If you study civilizations going back thousands of years, often they all developed some form of common basic currency to facilitate trade.

And you think life is hard with money?  Try life without it.

daywane:
the most fun in life my family has had was at my poorest I made $8,000 that year.

Vigo:
That's good that feel you don't need to rely on money as your measure of happiness. To me, that speaks volumes about your character. I guess as far as communism goes, it just doesn't work. There is a reason why 100,000+ people have been protesting in the streets of Hong Kong over the last week, and that is because Communism cannot survive on any larger scale without widespread oppression. You can of course join small communes. The Amish are a pretty good example. They all pitch in and build their own community, and only use and make money for when they need to deal with the outside world.

To think about the failure of large communism in a practical sense. You may be willing to work your job and get what you want from the store to survive. What happens to the guy next to you who sleeps on the job all day? He has no incentive to work harder because he will still have the same access to goods as you, no matter how poorly he does his job. Now what about the guy who cleans sewers all day, nobody wants that job, because without pay, there is no incentive to choose that job. So you have all the sewage people deciding they want to work at a ski resort instead. Things fall apart pretty quickly on a larger scale, so you end up needing an oppressive government telling everybody how to live their lives.

daywane:
sadly that makes since.
I pray for a better system.
ours is just plain filled with corruption and greed. I am discusted

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