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shmokes:
Do you just mean simple communism? If so, it's a very nice principle, but there seems to be no way to make it work. Many many groups of people have tried. It seems that we are not at all like ants, as it appears that it is human nature itself that is incompatible with communism.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: daywane on July 02, 2012, 04:41:26 pm ---every one keeps going to trade.
I mean no trade or anything. Just produce as we do today and go to walmart and get what you need.
PERIOD .
it seems so simple. I would work for free for that.
would you not?
think of ant's.
If you ask me that is what we are as a human race. nothing more than insects on this planet.

--- End quote ---

If there was no trade, there would be no Walmart.  Or any other stores.  Or much of anything really. It would just be people living directly off the land with whatever you could grow, hunt or harvest.

You could do that if you really wanted.  But that would mean giving up a lot of what you have, including basics like running water, modern medicine, electricity, etc.

daywane:

--- Quote from: shmokes on July 02, 2012, 05:59:26 pm ---Do you just mean simple communism? If so, it's a very nice principle, but there seems to be no way to make it work. Many many groups of people have tried. It seems that we are not at all like ants, as it appears that it is human nature itself that is incompatible with communism.

--- End quote ---
communism? no kidding? I must look up communism.
It must really mean more than dictators?
I never really looked up the word.
let me check into this more.
I doubt if I mean communism becouse if we just produced and consumed as needed we would not need a goverment

AtomSmasher:

--- Quote from: daywane on July 02, 2012, 06:13:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on July 02, 2012, 05:59:26 pm ---Do you just mean simple communism? If so, it's a very nice principle, but there seems to be no way to make it work. Many many groups of people have tried. It seems that we are not at all like ants, as it appears that it is human nature itself that is incompatible with communism.

--- End quote ---
communism? no kidding? I must look up communism.
It must really mean more than dictators?
I never really looked up the word.
let me check into this more.
I doubt if I mean communism becouse if we just produced and consumed as needed we would not need a goverment

--- End quote ---
True communism doesn't have a dictator, it just never works out that way.  From Wikipedia:
Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

daywane:

--- Quote from: shponglefan on July 02, 2012, 06:09:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: daywane on July 02, 2012, 04:41:26 pm ---every one keeps going to trade.
I mean no trade or anything. Just produce as we do today and go to walmart and get what you need.
PERIOD .
it seems so simple. I would work for free for that.
would you not?
think of ant's.
If you ask me that is what we are as a human race. nothing more than insects on this planet.

--- End quote ---

If there was no trade, there would be no Walmart.  Or any other stores.  Or much of anything really. It would just be people living directly off the land with whatever you could grow, hunt or harvest.

You could do that if you really wanted.  But that would mean giving up a lot of what you have, including basics like running water, modern medicine, electricity, etc.

--- End quote ---

you still do not get what I mean.
why would there be no Walmart there is many now.
we have running water now  electricity, etc.
why do we have to walk away from them they do exist now.
just why do we fell the need for money to work. We could work just because it benefits all.
I do not value my worth in cash. even though I am worth a nice sum. it just seems pointless to me. It only make life hard.

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