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danny_galaga:
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--- Quote from: daywane on June 23, 2012, 08:27:07 am ---my wife is a house wife and she makes darn good :censored: >:D
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Atom, what's with the phd bashing. If you go for a phd, there is a very specific goal in mind. Only guy I know who has one, is a physicist. His thesis was on mapping a periodic table of anti-matter. How on earth could he forgo a phd in lieu of the practical? Practical what?
IT and phds, not much help for Daywayne at the moment anyway...
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This is just my experience with anyone who has a phd. I'll give an example of practical: We had a guy with a phd in Nuclear Engineering (or something like that) and he kept complaining about banging his knuckles every time he unplugged these connectors. I then thought about how I did it (use my thumb to push off my other hand) and explained how I did it to him. He said "These things should of come with instruction manuals."
This is a small trivial case, but it happens on a weekly basis. I can give you far worse cases, but you'd need to sign an NDA for the details, such as where a problem researched for a year by one of our phd's, was solved by someone with a Masters in less then a week simply because he ran a bunch of experiments instead of doing the math and crunching the numbers (keep in mind the guy with the phd was completely against running the experiments).
I'm sure it's not everyone with a phd, but it definitely is the case with all of them that I've worked with. There's actually one guy at our company who is about to get his phd and we often make the joke that hopefully he doesn't get ruined once that happens :P Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're stupid, not at all, they're very smart people (mostly). It's just that all of their intelligence is focused on the theoretical.
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Ok, but you make it sound like getting the phd makes them dumber. I'm pretty sure your knuckle busting friend was a clutz BEFORE he got his phd.
My phd friend loves cricket and hockey. He captained a hockey team. Once he got his phd, I'm pretty certain he was still good at playing hockey...
AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: danny_galaga on June 24, 2012, 03:29:20 am ---I'm pretty sure your knuckle busting friend was a clutz BEFORE he got his phd.
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That very well could be, all I know is I wouldn't trust anyone I know with a phd to make me a sandwich :P
MonMotha:
To get things done, a committee should consist of at most 3 individuals, two of them absent.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on June 23, 2012, 02:49:02 pm ---I'm not talking about Walmart technical support. Go out and have a look at the requirements of some of the developer positions, the Project Management positions, etc.
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I'm not talking about Walmart tech support either.
--- Quote from: drventure on June 23, 2012, 03:06:09 pm ---True, but be careful of putting too much stock into posted position requirements. I've seen many instances where the posted requirements were cobbled up by some HR person who had no idea what the actual requirements for the position really were.
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^^^^ This. After 17 years in software development and IT I can tell you the above is 100% true. The bigger the organization the further the HR person is from the actual jobs. They often don't know a damn thing about what any of the terms, certifications, or technologies mean. It's very common to get an HR person that will mark a candidate off because he said he has "10 years of enterprise java but has never used Maven" where Maven isn't even really a job requirement. Then we end up with a resume with only 1 year of java but claims to be a Maven expert presented as the best candidate.
I have lost count of the amount of times someone has been brought in with a long list of certifications that may as well have been printed on toilet paper because the guy has never been in an actual corporate production environment. Who cares if you took a 3 week class on Server 2003 when you don't understand the functional differences between 32 and 64 bit operating systems? I swear if I have to explain to one more MS Certified Admin WHY a given application platform should run on a 64 bit OS I'm going to punch him. One would think that a guy making 6 figures would just look at the Architecture Document, see 64 bit OS, see the runtime resource requirements, and understand.
kahlid74:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on June 22, 2012, 12:15:28 pm ---
--- Quote ---When I saw Malaria I lol'd, and was going to respond and then I saw the posts author was Ark and was like oh, NM.
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I comments are not getting you to respond. Oh Well.
--- Quote ---I've worked in my current field for close to 9 years now. I hold a BA and won't look to go back for my masters for at least another 10 years. Any issues I've had with employers or pay I've solved by finding a new job. I've never had a problem finding a new job even in heavily saturated markets (I work in IT).
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That is nice to know, and I am glad it is working for you, but today to work in IT (25 years experience helps) you need at least a BSc or a M.Sc, and hold some certifications. I'm studying for my Prince 2 practitioner exam, hoping it will give me a better position for a teaching post. Education is the key for success for any decent job, especially when you competing against all the new kids fresh out of Uni. BA's in IT unless it is design doesn't get you very far.
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A masters in IT is looked upon highly for positions on the level of eVP/VP/SVP/CIO for 1000+ person companies. Directors, managers, architects, team leads, senior engineers have no need for a masters unless they personally would want one. I've worked at companies of many sizes and this is my direct experience in the field. Your statement above is what I hear from people all the time who describe the IT field but don't actually live in it. It's inaccurate.
I've worked with engineers who have no college degree all the way to those who have masters. It makes little difference. Someone either has the drive for IT or they don't. No amount of certifications/degrees will give them that drive. Just as well no amount of degrees/certs will save them when they get in an interview with me. You either know it or you don't. Even if you don't know it, if I think you can learn it and I like working with you, I'll hire you with a GED if that's all you have.
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