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daywane:
my wife is a house wife and she makes darn good  :censored:  >:D

danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: daywane on June 23, 2012, 08:27:07 am ---my wife is a house wife and she makes darn good  :censored:  >:D

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:duckhunt

Atom, what's with the phd bashing. If you go for a phd, there is a very specific goal in mind. Only guy I know who has one, is a physicist. His thesis was on mapping a periodic table of anti-matter. How on earth could he forgo a phd in lieu of the practical? Practical what?

IT and phds, not much help for Daywayne at the moment anyway...

AtomSmasher:

--- Quote from: danny_galaga on June 23, 2012, 10:16:34 am ---
--- Quote from: daywane on June 23, 2012, 08:27:07 am ---my wife is a house wife and she makes darn good  :censored:  >:D

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:duckhunt

Atom, what's with the phd bashing. If you go for a phd, there is a very specific goal in mind. Only guy I know who has one, is a physicist. His thesis was on mapping a periodic table of anti-matter. How on earth could he forgo a phd in lieu of the practical? Practical what?

IT and phds, not much help for Daywayne at the moment anyway...

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This is just my experience with anyone who has a phd.  I'll give an example of practical:  We had a guy with a phd in Nuclear Engineering (or something like that) and he kept complaining about banging his knuckles every time he unplugged these connectors.  I then thought about how I did it (use my thumb to push off my other hand) and explained how I did it to him.  He said "These things should of come with instruction manuals."  

This is a small trivial case, but it happens on a weekly basis.  I can give you far worse cases, but you'd need to sign an NDA for the details, such as where a problem researched for a year by one of our phd's, was solved by someone with a Masters in less then a week simply because he ran a bunch of experiments instead of doing the math and crunching the numbers (keep in mind the guy with the phd was completely against running the experiments).

I'm sure it's not everyone with a phd, but it definitely is the case with all of them that I've worked with.  There's actually one guy at our company who is about to get his phd and we often make the joke that hopefully he doesn't get ruined once that happens :P  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're stupid, not at all, they're very smart people (mostly).  It's just that all of their intelligence is focused on the theoretical.

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on June 22, 2012, 05:47:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on June 22, 2012, 12:15:28 pm ---That is nice to know, and I am glad it is working for you, but today to work in IT (25 years experience helps) you need at least a BSc or a M.Sc, and hold some certifications. 

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I work at a Fortune 25 company in a senior IT role.  I would be shocked if I learned that 10% of our IT employees had a Masters degree in anything.  Most of them don't have a Bachelor's and don't know much more than the very specific skills needed to perform their role (if they know that much).  We're talking a company subject to every financial, health, and retail regulation in North America.  We operate in all time zones from Hawaii to Puerto Rico.

You do not need a Bachelor's or a Master's to get an IT job.  It helps but there are probably more people without them than there are with them.

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I'm not talking about Walmart technical support.  Go out and have a look at the requirements of some of the developer positions, the Project Management positions, etc. 


--- Quote ---I work at a Fortune 25 company in a senior IT role.
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Looking at your post count and how much work a valuable senior IT <insert title here>  at a Fortune 25 company does on average.  And your point is?  :laugh2:

drventure:

--- Quote from: ark_ader on June 23, 2012, 02:49:02 pm ---Go out and have a look at the requirements of some of the developer positions, the Project Management positions, etc.  

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True, but be careful of putting too much stock into posted position requirements. I've seen many instances where the posted requirements were cobbled up by some HR person who had no idea what the actual requirements for the position really were.

One example (only slightly related, granted...) is that every single telecommute gig I've landed (5 over the last 12 years, one lasting 5 years) didn't even mention telecommuting as an option in the posted reqs.

Another posted for "7+ years exp with multithreaded dev" when, once I talked to the actual hiring manager, what they really were looking for was someone who knew the basics of multithreaded work and could come up to speed quickly on their particular library inhouse.

Often, at least in tech work, you have to read between the lines.

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