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Mysterioii:
With communism everybody wants a Ferrari and everybody gets a used turnip cart.  If everybody busted ass to the best of their ability it might make sense, but in actuality it doesn't work out that way.

Now if you're talking about a VOLUNTARY community like was described that might work ok... until the kids want more...  But when you take a larger society and impose communism upon it... nobody's particularly happy.

shmokes:

--- Quote from: Mysterioii on July 03, 2012, 11:06:54 am ---until the kids want more... 

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Obviously this sort of thing would vary from community to community (commune to commune?), but at Eskdale the kids are encouraged to go to college after high school, just like any other kids. Which obviously means leaving Eskdale since there are obviously no universities there. And there doesn't appear to be any particular pressure to return. I'm friends with a half-dozen people from the community who were born there or who lived there for a substantial portion of their childhoods, and all of them love the place. About 1/3 of them I'm sure will live there permanently. 1/3 will never go back except to visit. And the other 1/3 . . . who knows.

So . . . if the kids want more, capitalism is waiting for them right outside the city limits. Well . . . the place is in the middle of nowhere (very beautiful nowhere, mind you), so it's a couple hours drive to a decent city. But still, it's not the type of thing that a person would need to escape. You can just leave anytime, get a job, go to university. And when you're tired of capitalism, they're happy to have you bring any useful skills back to the commune, so long as you're ready to give up any property advantages your capitalistic exploits have brought you. You can't, like, come in and build a mansion with a swimming pool and hot tub, etc. Everything is shared. If you want a bigger home, the community has to agree that you need a bigger home. All for one and one for all. Or at least, one for all. 

For what it's worth, from the brief time I spent there, I'd say the people living there are very, very happy.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: daywane on July 03, 2012, 05:35:39 am ---I pray for a better system.
ours is just plain filled with corruption and greed. I am discusted

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The issue isn't the system.  The issue is people.  And people aren't changing any time soon.

Dawgz Rule:
Pretty cool view via Bing but otherwise couldn't find any photos....

Long link shortened

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: shmokes on July 01, 2012, 10:52:26 pm ---Daywane, it's a good idea to hold off on accepting some idea if you cannot reconcile it with what you know is true. Money, as others have mentioned, serves a useful purpose. It allows you to trade your skills with people who don't need or want your skills. For example, maybe you raise cattle and the local bricklayer is a vegetarian. He doesn't want any beef, but since you can sell your product for money, and he can sell his service for money, you both have a common means of trade.

So, you can see how money serves a purpose. Before you conclude that life would be better without it you I really think you should decide how you can accomplish the same tasks better without money. Remember, money doesn't create wealth. In a world without money, if most the people want apples, and few people want peaches, the man with the apple orchard is richer than the man with the peach orchard, because the man with the apple orchard can trade his apples for more things than the man with the peach orchard. Apples are more valuable than peaches. It has nothing to do with money. Money simply facilitates trade. It makes it more efficient. It makes it so the local dairy farmer can buy apples even if the apple farmer is lactose intolerant.

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I have read that several times and I could not agree more.

Kudos Shmokes.  :cheers:

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