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lilshawn:
The originals are made by Taito the later ones by ICE

The originals use a microswitch inside each hole to register the proper hole being obtained - tried and true easy to fix
The late model ICE machines use infrared optical sensors. - subject to failure. easy to fix if you know what to look for.

and yes the ICE models included a ticket dispenser.

I'm not able to compare them side by side, we got rid of our ICE - ICB machine last year, though we still have an original Taito ICB up in storage in the shop.

SavannahLion:
Ah... I wasn't aware they changed manufacturers. I've been looking entirely at Taito machines. The pictures of the ICE machines kind of suck so I didn't give them anything more than a cursory glance thinking they were nothing more than the ticket redemption version of the same game.

I did a Google search for the ICE machines and I do see a big difference between the Taito and Ice playfields. I have read that the playfield is supposed to look like a pitcher of draft beer and the holes the bubbles. Probably why it was easy to simply change the art to ZP. With the ICE machines, the change is pretty dramatic and it looks a lot more like a pitcher of beer. It also looks impossible to win. :dizzy:

I've been laying out the Taito playfield and I don't see much reason to change that now.
Nephasth:

--- Quote from: SavannahLion on August 02, 2012, 10:45:04 pm ---I've been laying out the Taito playfield and I don't see much reason to change that now.

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Emulation?
SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: Nephasth on August 02, 2012, 10:58:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: SavannahLion on August 02, 2012, 10:45:04 pm ---I've been laying out the Taito playfield and I don't see much reason to change that now.

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Emulation?

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Imitation is more like it I guess.

I'm not really wanting to emulate ICB/ZP anyways. I remember a discussion involving Mount Neverest and the physics problems associated with the game. I'm sure using a pre-existing physics engine like Havok or similar might alleviate the problems or it might introduce more problems. I don't know.

Besides, I've never played ICB so I really only have the vaguest of ideas of the gameplay. It'd be like learning how to drive a motorcycle purely based on a persons description all while never coming into contact with a motorcycle. It doesn't work too well.
SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: lilshawn on August 02, 2012, 09:29:58 pm ---The late model ICE machines use infrared optical sensors. - subject to failure. easy to fix if you know what to look for.

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It just occurred to me. Why are the op sensors subject to failure? I would have thought the op sensors, with no moving parts, would be subject to a lower failure rate than the mechanical switches, which have moving parts. What am I missing with that?
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